Why are CVs overperforming on EU only?

[Userext]

 

He did and guess what, BBs perform better than CVs on average.

 

now thats a big fat juicy lie

[Syrchalis]

Yeah I'm sure you played after the patch and can say what changed and what didn't...

 

EU stats are either not ready yet or there was a problem with them. But the NA ones are published and this stats are only from 04.09 to 12.09, so the old patch stuff doesn't count here, only the fresh stats after the patch.

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150912nt/average_class.html

 

 

div	name	class	players	total battles	average of rates
					battles	win	draw	lose	exp	damage caused	warship destroyed	aircraft destoryed	base capture	base defense	survived	kill / death	point
1	Higher Tier	BB	5528	127195	23.01	47.80	4.70	47.50	3474	45590	0.73	2.37	0.49	1.17	45.65	1.56	25773
1	Higher Tier	CA	13980	189034	13.52	46.92	4.53	48.55	3824	28388	0.61	1.86	0.45	1.02	28.18	0.94	20997
1	Higher Tier	CV	2361	39999	16.94	47.00	4.86	48.14	4906	44220	0.75	18.20	0.15	1.43	66.66	2.46	31513
1	Higher Tier	DD	15567	228646	14.69	43.35	7.22	49.42	1359	15435	0.44	0.21	1.07	3.22	18.36	0.60	23103
2	Lower Tier	BB	106381	1475677	13.87	47.30	4.19	48.51	1309	24835	0.62	0.33	0.86	3.21	33.55	0.99	19800
2	Lower Tier	CA	116948	1593477	13.63	47.69	2.89	49.42	1304	18387	0.63	0.53	0.76	3.40	20.52	0.84	20022
2	Lower Tier	CV	27043	264821	9.79	47.18	4.70	48.12	2087	24755	0.51	10.62	0.18	0.87	50.43	1.05	25203
2	Lower Tier	DD	70683	894161	12.65	47.93	3.27	48.80	1411	17248	0.66	0.13	0.81	1.05	18.72	0.88	24391

 

 

[Ragoutrabbit]

[edited]

[Userext]

 

 

thats NA stats

 

 

These are EU stats

Player Average for ShipClasses (all players) [ at 2015/09/12 ]

div	name	class	players	total battles	average of rates
					battles	win	draw	lose	exp	damage caused	warship destroyed	aircraft destoryed	base capture	base defense	survived	kill / death	point
1	Higher Tier	BB	27541	593836	21.56	43.74	9.75	46.52	2051	42147	0.59	1.73	0.49	3.02	44.98	1.23	23903
1	Higher Tier	CA	26417	408012	15.45	46.02	6.29	47.69	3540	28618	0.56	1.89	0.49	1.26	28.94	0.89	21435
1	Higher Tier	CV	4700	91358	19.44	47.27	6.88	45.85	4711	50956	0.77	18.15	0.17	1.97	68.73	2.77	33027
1	Higher Tier	DD	22614	342743	15.16	42.57	8.03	49.40	1410	16760	0.45	0.24	1.00	3.24	19.51	0.63	23144
2	Lower Tier	BB	213881	3099155	14.49	47.03	4.85	48.13	1349	24230	0.61	0.38	0.84	2.90	33.41	0.99	19991
2	Lower Tier	CA	258059	3728120	14.45	47.59	3.38	49.03	1271	17982	0.61	0.50	0.76	3.69	20.27	0.81	20099
2	Lower Tier	CV	62509	657078	10.51	46.61	5.68	47.71	2094	27724	0.56	10.40	0.16	1.02	51.09	1.18	25570
2	Lower Tier	DD	151476	1968833	13.00	47.33	3.83	48.84	1384	17611	0.66	0.12	0.74	1.06	18.48	0.88	24345

 

Player Average for ShipClasses without PremiumShips (all players) [ at 2015/09/12 ]

div	name	class	players	total battles	average of rates
					battles	win	draw	lose	exp	damage caused	warship destroyed	aircraft destoryed	base capture	base defense	survived	kill / death	point
1	Higher Tier	BB	10573	256517	24.26	47.61	6.08	46.30	3323	46365	0.70	2.08	0.47	1.33	47.49	1.53	25932
1	Higher Tier	CA	15138	289143	19.10	47.91	6.18	45.90	3096	31694	0.63	2.15	0.56	1.43	34.09	1.08	24496
1	Higher Tier	CV	4700	91358	19.44	47.27	6.88	45.85	4711	50956	0.77	18.15	0.17	1.97	68.73	2.77	33027
1	Higher Tier	DD	6223	140605	22.59	48.13	5.92	45.96	2795	27345	0.63	0.40	1.17	0.97	32.67	1.08	29861
2	Lower Tier	BB	164569	2088162	12.69	47.40	4.74	47.86	1714	24314	0.59	0.53	0.77	1.58	34.62	1.00	19487
2	Lower Tier	CA	204168	2937196	14.39	47.64	3.96	48.40	1640	20054	0.62	0.56	0.67	1.63	21.53	0.86	20494
2	Lower Tier	CV	62509	657078	10.51	46.61	5.68	47.71	2094	27724	0.56	10.40	0.16	1.02	51.09	1.18	25570
2	Lower Tier	DD	139373	1669247	11.98	47.87	3.57	48.56	1503	17545	0.66	0.10	0.73	0.65	18.59	0.88	24224

 

 

Edit: Its safe to say that CV players at EU server are boosting their average damage by the poor tirpitzes(17k people have tirpitz without having any high tier BB)

 

[Syrchalis]

And here for EU (you beat me to it)

div	name	class	players	total battles	average of rates
					battles	win	draw	lose	exp	damage caused	warship destroyed	aircraft destoryed	base capture	base defense	survived	kill / death	point
1	Higher Tier	BB	10573	256517	24.26	47.61	6.08	46.30	3323	46365	0.70	2.08	0.47	1.33	47.49	1.53	25932
1	Higher Tier	CA	15138	289143	19.10	47.91	6.18	45.90	3096	31694	0.63	2.15	0.56	1.43	34.09	1.08	24496
1	Higher Tier	CV	4700	91358	19.44	47.27	6.88	45.85	4711	50956	0.77	18.15	0.17	1.97	68.73	2.77	33027
1	Higher Tier	DD	6223	140605	22.59	48.13	5.92	45.96	2795	27345	0.63	0.40	1.17	0.97	32.67	1.08	29861

 

[Catslave]

 Differences like that can often be tracked down to various reasons, but main reason is often the difference in the regional "philosophy".

Let's take League of Legends as example. The Moscow5 Team sucked on individual base, but performed exceptionally on the team level, while korean teams often emphasis heavily on individual skill.

The US teams tend to play rushed games, usually ending around or prior to the 30min mark, while the EU teams rather tend to play a war of attrition. Also many korean players often successfully use champions, that are completely unused in EU or US (or end up as bottom feeders).

While too lazy to look through all the stats right now, i'm willing to bet that there is a difference in the usage of the ships and classes.

 

Simply because (most) US players speak the same language, doesn't mean they are less egoistic. And currently the game rewards egoism more then anything. Totally ignoring your team and going on a suicide run to take out the HVT of the enemy team rewards more XP and cash then covering/supporting your team. So quite often i see CV going the all-bomber-loadout (not TierX since i'm currently mainly medium and low tier), leaving them with 0-1 fighter squad, and just suicide bomb for as long as they have spare planes.

 

As for the "Tirpitz effect", that is most likely a good part of the problem (my 1st high tier match had a total of 7 Tirpitz in it) and pay2win has messed with more then 1 game due to many people buying their way into high tier content without even playing any of the low tier.

 

Another interesting question that wasn't touched yet: how many CBT players and how many OBT players are in that statistic ? Someone who has been playing (CV) since CBT times is expected to outperform someone who barely started the same way that someone who actually "worked" his way to TierX is expected to outperform someone who just went the "insert Coin" route.

There is also a difference in "dedication" and available time. Essentially, several european countries have laws or systems in place, that allow even long term unemployed people to freely play games all day.

 

So while avg. damage and amount of total player for the class (both absolute and %) will give some hints, you would also need the avg. age, occupation, avg. playtime per day and/or the country/region of residence to fully answer the possible cause for this.

 

EDIT: While the stats show that probably 17k ppl bought a Tirpitz without having any other high tier BB (or at least not playing it), it does not show wether those ppl did or didn't have those prior to the OBT nor does it directly show, whether those ppl have any other ship class at TierX.

Also I got flamed for using my CA to cover our CV while the rest of the team rushed to 1 side (leaving the other side and mid totally unguarded) and suicided in rapid succession.

[Jaeger_Bomb_Meister]

No wonder CV doin that amount of damage basically ended Naval ship on ship Warfare followed by missiles such as Exocet

Manual Drop From min drop range, BB got no chance.Team Work a must CV's don't defend BB's....will only come near your ship to shake off enemy fighters.....CV and other Ship Roles, simply put players not using them correctly...simoly by not playing as a Team...

A Full Open Comms Channel in game is best way to go.........most people speak English on E.U or at least understand some of it....Worked on Xbox no problem....simply muting idiots before game started....

 

[Kruzenstern]

3) The avarage Joe on EU is complete scrub and is easily farmed by CVs

 

Having played WoT for about 2 years each on the NA and EU servers, I would have to say that there might be a lot more truth to this than meets the eye. My experience was that the yellow players on EU were playing like the reds on NA. Not sure why, maybe the language barrier that does exist on EU but is nearly nonexistent on NA, but while the good players felt like they were roughly the same stuff on both servers, the average players on EU were playing a lot worse than those on NA.

[Gatt]

 

Nope, they nerf CVs because they overperform the other classes. Comparing CV players between them on different servers is pointless and irrelevant for game balance.

 

Let them salivate at their performance against retarded BB euro players. Lets see how much time does it take to WG to nerf again CVs. It happened in WoT with arty or UFO tanks like the T-54, It will happen here.

 

WG wont let gamers avoid Tiers VIII-IX and X. This is where they make money in the medium long period. I for one will stop at Tier VI-VII. I'll let other be cannon (ops, torpedo) fodder for a small hard core UFO CV community.

 

Have fun!

[22cm]

 

Pointless? You will be surprised but CVs will pretty much always outperform CAs and DDs when it comes to damage, the same BBs outperform them and that's how the game is made to work.

 

Just pointless. If they don t ballance classes between them, a team will have 2 CVs and 10 BBs soon. Tier 8 was already almost like this because of Tirpitz.

As I said, the most important income for WG does not come from the 10% of the players of a non-balanced class that even does not require premium time to grind and has no premium ships available, but from the other 90%.

[II_Nemesis_II]

 

It s spelled cooperate, btw.

Hmmm, common, you can do more,  thinking is not that hard.  You re also an regular EU joe, you know.

 

NA: only one language, English

RU: only one language, Russian

EU: too many.

 

 

He is way better than you, mister sealcluber (yeah you are the exact and correct definition of sealcluber) in St. Louis and low tier DDs. I saw your pathetic performance in a battle (flaming me in the chat right from the start, despite I didn't say a thing), your play against higher tier opponents is worth a crap, all your stats come only from seaclubing on lower tiers, nothing else. And oh how I love you crying all over the forum about CVs and that they should be nerfed but I wonder why, when you have lame 44% WR with them contrary to your OP sealclubing St. Louis having 63%. Oh I know, you are not able to roflstomp everybody in CV like you are used in your sealclubing toys, so you don't want to let others having good stats with them.

 

To the topic, well EU players are having more avg dmg but not avg winrate at least regarding the tier X. My guess would be that there are just way too few players on tier X carriers thus the statistics are easily distorted by few of them. I would wait until like more than 100 active players (the more the better).

[Ishiro32]

Language barrier is just the excuse. I was avid LoL and Dota1 player and best games I have had in those were when team did not have to write anything on the chat. On random if people know their roles and know the game then everything just flows. There were situations where I have had better understanding of each other in a team of randoms than playing with my friends on voice chat. Do you honestly think people in NA write long discussions on chat regarding tactics? Ha!

Someone said that different language is creating distrust, but I don't think it's true either. I would argue that distrust is hatched from the MM and fact that you have no guarantee that your team will be on your skill level, but then again the same is applied to the other servers.

Torptiz is most likely the cause. Increased number of BBs and decreased number of escort CA will have impact on CV damage. There are simply more occasions to do damage. 

 

I do wonder though If recent very negative atmosphere towards carriers and carrier players impacted the number of new carrier players. Does anyone know if other servers also had this very hostile environment for carrier discussion after 0.4.0?

[22cm]

 

He is way better than you, mister sealcluber (yeah you are the exact and correct definition of sealcluber) in St. Louis and low tier DDs. I saw your pathetic performanonce in a battle (flaming me in the chat right from the start, despite I didn't say a thing), your play against higher tier opponents is worth a crap, all your stats come only from seaclubing on lower tiers, nothing else. And oh how I love you crying all over the forum about CVs and that they should be nerfed but I wonder why, when you have lame 44% WR with them contrary to your OP sealclubing St. Louis having 63%. Oh I know, you are not able to roflstomp everybody in CV like you are used in your sealclubing toys, so you don't want to let others having good stats with them.

 

To the topic, well EU players are having more avg dmg but not avg winrate at least regarding the tier X. My guess would be that there are just way too few players on tier X carriers thus the statistics are easily distorted by few of them. I would wait until like more than 100 active players (the more the better).

 

In that battle, this guy played tier 7 Myoko in a platoon with a tier 6, our team was 1 tier 7 short because of their platoon. I doubt he ever plays solo.

He played Myoko as if he played a CV: all game camping in the back and sniping, behind all the other teamates ( I mean he was absolutely the last one in the back and he was top-tier), and hugging the border lineall the time.

As for my performance in that game, I was unlucky to meet a tier 7 US DD Mahan in the same capping zone in a Minekaze, without any support from my team (top-tier cruiser camping last in the back, ofc).

[22cm]

 

when you have lame 44% WR with them contrary to your OP sealclubing St. Louis having 63%. Oh I know, you are not able to roflstomp everybody in CV like you are used in your sealclubing toys, so you don't want to let others having good stats with them.

 

 

Did it ever pass through that narrow mind of yours that most of the players don t play CVs because its a poor and bad quality RTS mini-game and if they want to play a RTS there are incomparable better games on the market? (And in Saint Louis you are almost never top-tier, it s mostly tier 5 games. I also have 57% WR in Mutuki and Furutaka, btw, and those are some crap ships.)

[Userext]

 

Did it ever pass through that narrow mind of yours that most of the players don t play CVs because its a poor and bad quality RTS mini-game and if they want to play a RTS there are incomparable better games on the market?

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150912et/dense_winrate.html

[Takru]

May be it's related to different sizes in population? If the NA population is only half as big as EU population, chances are that there are less many good people playing X class of ships, hence the overall group of top 10% is smaller in number.

 

Anyway, it would seem that different server populations evolve different playstyles. Watching videos from people playing on NA or RU servers sometimes show the strangest behavior and those people all talk the same language... well, mostly.

 

Language should really not be an excuse for anybody to pretend he does not understand what someone else is trying to tell him. Messages like A + B should be easily understandable for anybody. However, many people just ignore the chat altogether and many more will do so when the option to deactivate chat should be implemented. It would seem that it's more a thing of being unwilling to cooperate rather than an inability to do so.

 

That said, the Derpitz would have played her part in boosting carrier stats significantly. Unless she is accompanied by a cruiser, she is easily sunk by any tier 8+ carrier.

[YesYesYall]

The EU does better, practically always, at World of Warcraft than other areas (NA etc) and the language gap is cited as  a positive reason. This is because by using the same language, players are showing commitment, consideration and compromise to their team.

I find in Warships that advice is almost universally received badly and often results in flaming, stat checking and just unfortunate results.

I guess the difference is that in 20 min max games, players can just get away with being selfish and indulgent, whereas in other games there are consequences if word gets around that one is a tool.  

[Takru]

 

Did it ever pass through that narrow mind of yours that most of the players don t play CVs because its a poor and bad quality RTS mini-game and if they want to play a RTS there are incomparable better games on the market?

 

That may be possible, but on the other hand, I for one do appreciate the abilities of people like Sharana, Aerroon or papedipupi. If nothing else, you can learn quite a lot for yourself, regardless of what ship you are sailing in.

[Takru]

The EU does better, practically always, at World of Warcraft than other areas (NA etc) and the language gap is cited as  a positive reason. This is because by using the same language, players are showing commitment, consideration and compromise to their team.

I find in Warships that advice is almost universally received badly and often results in flaming, stat checking and just unfortunate results.

I guess the difference is that in 20 min max games, players can just get away with being selfish and indulgent, whereas in other games there are consequences if word gets around that one is a tool.  

 

However, in Warcraft you can choose the language server you want to play on. Here you can't, everybody has to play with people who may not be inclined to talk in a foreign language.

 

Then again, I think you nailed it with your last sentence. Which would also explain the teamkillers to some degree.

[Kenliero]

Simple... We don't have rednecks to lower the stats

 

[Hauptbahnhof]

If you look at experience instead of damage inflicted it looks like NA is actually best... ( on all 6 ships except Lexington )

I guess with the small sample size EU Carrier players like nuking big ships like Battleships/Carriers more and NA Carrier players prefer to go after smaller targets ( less damage, more XP ).

 

Reading through the comment it's actually obvious that the cause is how much more popular the Tirpitz is in EU.

 

Big healthpool and repairs ( loads of damage to take ), worst tier 8 AA for big ships, many new players flooding the servers not used to high tier gameplay...
 

Yepp, makes sense.

[Torpedo42]

I would say that is mostly player skill, as there are a lot of very good (and scary!) Cv players in the EU server. 

 

Either that or the EU playerbase doesnt understand the concept of evading enemy air attacks. 

 

"player skill" and "Cv player" in the same sentence? Is it possible?

 

PD: Just trolling

[Pawndemonium]

Probably has been mentioned already, but the Tirpitz plays a huge part in this. Well, not the ship itself... but yeah you get the idea.

[xCaptainObviousx]

Probably has been mentioned already, but the Tirpitz plays a huge part in this. Well, not the ship itself... but yeah you get the idea.

 

Actually, the ship itself is also a part of this. Lack of AA + mediocre turning circle + slow rudder + long hull: It all adds up to a very easy target for torpedo bombers regardless of player skill.

[N00b32]

Essentially, several european countries have laws or systems in place, that allow even long term unemployed people to freely play games all day.

 

 

The horror. They have no law dictating people what to do. And whips are illegal. Wow. This game really brings out the best in people. 

 

Also completely unrelated to the topic, but who gives a [edited], let's discuss forced labour, because why not. *facepalm*