[LAI] Nagine Beta Tester 680 posts 3,140 battles Report post #26 Posted September 13, 2015 I've been wondering about this. With there being fewer and fewer "new" players then surely now the majority of people between 1-7 are experienced players grinding new lines? They may not have mastered the tactics for the particular class or ship they're playing, but they shouldn't be an easy kill anymore. But I think you would agree that even relatively experienced player grinding through mid tiers will be quite vulnerable due to learning to handle specific ships, especially if they didn't spend free xp for unlocking modules. If someone stays at those tiers, he will have an advantage due to mastering specific ships. This is even more true if those ships are Clevelands, Minekazes, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAZI] allufewig Beta Tester 2,912 posts 15,263 battles Report post #27 Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) So, - T1-4 are sealclubbing - T8-10 are abusing mm because of powergrinding - Minekaze and Cleveland are ruled out - Carriers are ruled out - Divisions are evil statpadding. I conclude we are searching players that own in Furutaka, Colorado, Pensacola and other shitters, but never did or played anything of the above mentioned. Tough. Edit: I got 75% in Furutaka, worship meeeee. Edited September 13, 2015 by allufewig Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specialkha Beta Tester 1,166 posts 2,327 battles Report post #28 Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Pre-4.1. I've barely touched/played the Hakuryu because I do not enjoy it and I specifically played Hiryu AND Shokaku with the 2-2-2 setup back in the day. If you scale that down to the Ryujo then my Fuso is outperforming carriers and my Amagi is performing just as well damage-wise... and my Mogami beats the Shokaku outright. So, point proven I guess, carriers OP? Your friend must not be a very good player because up to and including tier 8 I have had very few problems from carriers, especially in the department of being unable to take proper evasive action. Situational awareness and anticipation (and a degree of triangulation) go a very long way in fighting off carriers. So I guess it takes playing a carrier to beat a carrier? That just prove that you are good with everything. Good for you. But how do you explain players that are only good with CVs? And "good" might be too much. Camper would be a better definition of your playstyle. Edited September 13, 2015 by specialkha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Banelord300 Beta Tester 403 posts 9,071 battles Report post #29 Posted September 13, 2015 Me? http://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/500357221-Banelord300/#tab=pvp/account-tab-overview-pvp Please dont hate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AmazingBeaver Beta Tester 435 posts 5,528 battles Report post #30 Posted September 13, 2015 Well, I'm currently number 2 in EU with North Carolina, but it should change as I don't have that many battles. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAZI] allufewig Beta Tester 2,912 posts 15,263 battles Report post #31 Posted September 13, 2015 And "good" might be too much. Camper would be a better definition of your playstyle. To me he looks like one of the rare examples of someone that can not only do good in CVs. You dont win by "camping" anyways. Someone who belives you win >60% by sitting in the farthest corner of the map is actually a full blown retard, because it doesnt work that way. If you want 40% and 15k on a T7 then yes, thats the tactic to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specialkha Beta Tester 1,166 posts 2,327 battles Report post #32 Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) To me he looks like one of the rare examples of someone that can not only do good in CVs. You dont win by "camping" anyways. Someone who belives you win >60% by sitting in the farthest corner of the map is actually a full blown retard, because it doesnt work that way. If you want 40% and 15k on a T7 then yes, thats the tactic to go. By camping, I mean ppl that let the enemy team "burns" through their team while they burn through the enemy team. They just do it the fastest. I do not call that a "good" player. I call that a camper, a "good" camper, but still a camper. Edited September 13, 2015 by specialkha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ascender Beta Tester 468 posts 5,440 battles Report post #33 Posted September 13, 2015 By camping, I mean ppl that let the enemy team "burns" through their team while they burn through the enemy team. They just do it the fastest. I do not call that a "good" player. I call that a camper, a "good" camper, but still a camper. Oh okay so I should just kamikaze charge or something then I guess. I do fine with my destroyers as well as my cruisers. Your definition of camper leaves no room for any good player not to be a camper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAZI] allufewig Beta Tester 2,912 posts 15,263 battles Report post #34 Posted September 13, 2015 By camping, I mean ppl that let the enemy team "burns" through their team while they burn through the enemy team. They just do it the fastest. I do not call that a "good" player. I call that a camper, a "good" camper, but still a camper. Lol. That is in no way the definition of "camping" in online multiplayer games. Make up your own term for it. What about "burner"? Also, if he does that with so much success that it gets reflected in a high winrate, then this is pretty much the definition of good play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specialkha Beta Tester 1,166 posts 2,327 battles Report post #35 Posted September 13, 2015 Oh okay so I should just kamikaze charge or something then I guess. I do fine with my destroyers as well as my cruisers. Your definition of camper leaves no room for any good player not to be a camper. That is the main problem of WG game. If you want to be a good player, you have to let the tomatoes take the shots while you burn through enemy team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flavio1997 ∞ Alpha Tester 1,006 posts 11,990 battles Report post #36 Posted September 13, 2015 So I'm also a stats padder: played all battle in tier 1-7 ( the fact that I'm grinding all the lines toghether is meaningless), played a wopping 20% of the match with carriers ( the fact that with the tier 7 carriers that i play after 4.1 i have less damage than a tier 4 bbs is ofc something stupid) that are bringing down my stats... Yeah...right, ok. We a4e going back to world of battleship ( infact, right now, they are the easiest class to play) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #37 Posted September 13, 2015 Well I'm playing battleships because they are more fun, win more, do more damage and have more influence on the game. Look at my BB stats vs. my cruiser stats. I am struggling in cruisers even doing the "right thing". I don't think BBs will get nerfed nor should they, but cruisers need... Something at tier > 6. Or more likely I need to L2P with them BBs probably aren't easy to play well, as you need to think and plan. So rather than looking at great stats why not look up some good play videos? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KRAKN] Kokos78 Beta Tester 90 posts 12,376 battles Report post #38 Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) So I'm also a stats padder: played all battle in tier 1-7 ( the fact that I'm grinding all the lines toghether is meaningless), played a wopping 20% of the match with carriers ( the fact that with the tier 7 carriers that i play after 4.1 i have less damage than a tier 4 bbs is ofc something stupid) that are bringing down my stats... Yeah...right, ok. We a4e going back to world of battleship ( infact, right now, they are the easiest class to play) First of all I have like 10 battles in BBs, secondly I dont want a class to be nerfed and my class get buffed. I want balance. P.S. and peace Edited September 13, 2015 by Kokos78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EsaTuunanen Beta Tester 3,552 posts 8,863 battles Report post #39 Posted September 13, 2015 Next we will be excluding further ships depending on whose profile is linked Does Gremyashchy qualify for being disqualified? http://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/527854049-EsaTuunanen/ That has never played carriers and he hasn't 100+ battles in Minekaze or Cleveland? You aren't fair to Cleveland. Given some minutes of private time and space to dictate pace of duel I'll make Cleveland coming in Gremy's gun range run away (or at least try that) or sink. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EsaTuunanen Beta Tester 3,552 posts 8,863 battles Report post #40 Posted September 13, 2015 BBs probably aren't easy to play well, as you need to think and plan. That's also what I like in DDs: You're not going to survive through the match (or even half of it) if you don't plan ahead and pay attention to situational awareness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SKIDZ] chazwozza Players 1,030 posts Report post #41 Posted September 13, 2015 Anyone want to know my opinion on stats? Lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YggdrasiIl Beta Tester 19 posts 7,417 battles Report post #42 Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) http://www.warshipstats.com/shipleaders/ ROFL if i look at Kuma Then again, im in top 10 in exp in most of my fav ships. Edited September 14, 2015 by YggdrasiIl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #43 Posted September 14, 2015 That has never played carriers and he hasn't 100+ battles in Minekaze or Cleveland? Kostis_Larson? I'm not even that far from him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specialkha Beta Tester 1,166 posts 2,327 battles Report post #44 Posted September 14, 2015 Kostis_Larson? I'm not even that far from him Farming beginners in Omaha is so much fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #45 Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Farming beginners in Omaha is so much fun. Not as much fun as educating the new players about sailing in straight lines and eating lots of fresh fish ( Umikaze ) edit: but still, OP only mentioned Minekaze ( which is ... not that smart.. since Umikaze and Isokaze tier for tier are at least as stronk ). Edited September 14, 2015 by mtm78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Figment Beta Tester 3,801 posts 10,499 battles Report post #46 Posted September 14, 2015 No such thing as great stats. Most players with "high" stats will play mainly one ship, or even more common they will have played through beta alpha etc. This meant they practiced before wipe, and then they were ahead of the curve on ships. Or they played a lot of cvs which are hugely op for stats. For example they were first to tier 6 and then 7 etc, so they played a lot of games with a huge advantage. So no, there are no great stats that mean anything really. Stats only mean something to yourself as you know the back ground of them. Jealous person in denial is jealous in denial. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #47 Posted September 14, 2015 Kostis_Larson? I'm not even that far from him He knows how to cruiser it seems! Put my battleships with his cruisers and abolish the Myogi and we are getting somewhere I wish I knew why I suck on cruisers but not in BBs. We need more cruiser tutorials! I go in, get sunk by battleships... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Figment Beta Tester 3,801 posts 10,499 battles Report post #48 Posted September 14, 2015 If your problem is BBs, then you're showing your broadside too much. Angle away from battleships more, mostly show your stern. Only get in close for torpedo strikes and at that point try to keep an island in between you and the BB. Otherwise, stay at your max range. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLUMR] ArtyIsWorseThanCorona Players, Players 321 posts 4,707 battles Report post #49 Posted September 14, 2015 Well i play mostly Carrier, but i can also play other classes. 88k avg. Dmg on Torpitz ( one of the best Torpitz players ) 65k on Kongo ( more then many have on Iowa xD ) And "only" 46 Battles on OPland and 26 on OPkaze Yeah I know, I´m such a bad boy for playing CVs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OopsIPennedYouAgain Players 960 posts 7,026 battles Report post #50 Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Edit: best player is: http://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/503794652-Kokos78/#tab=pvp/account-tab-overview-pvp Edited September 14, 2015 by WehrmachtMirEssen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
