Crazy MM or dont play tier 6?

[Stahlgesang]

Hi,

 

atm 20 k player are online.

 

I made 3 games (pvp) today with my (stock) cleveland.

 

1. Tier 6 - Tier 8

with 8 Tier 8 on every side O.O

 

2. Tier 6 - Tier 8

only 2 Tier 6, the other were tier 7 and 8

 

3. Tier 6 - Tier 9 !

The +/- 2 MM is already not so funny, but Tier 9? No thats not okay.

 

 

maybe the upcoming ranged battles crash the MM but, at least stay on that +/- 2 MM or go in the future to a fair +/- 1. Thx.

 

 

[typhaon]

There is +/-3 tiers in WoWS... this is not WoT...

[Userext]

 

Nothing wrong with the MM. At that picture your team has advantage actually

[Stahlgesang]

oh, okay thx for the info. Dont make me happy :/ and dont make it better.

[tacomaco]

atm 20 k player are online.

 

I made 3 games (pvp) today with my (stock) cleveland.

 

That's why I don't play pvp. I just play the daily 1.5x in PvE and that's it.

 

Until WG fixes MM and makes bigger Co-op teams I don't plan to spend a dime on this game.

 

 

 

[Hellfoxe]

Hi,

 

atm 20 k player are online.

 

I made 3 games (pvp) today with my (stock) cleveland.

 

1. Tier 6 - Tier 8

with 8 Tier 8 on every side O.O

 

2. Tier 6 - Tier 8

only 2 Tier 6, the other were tier 7 and 8

 

3. Tier 6 - Tier 9 !

The +/- 2 MM is already not so funny, but Tier 9? No thats not okay.

 

 

maybe the upcoming ranged battles crash the MM but, at least stay on that +/- 2 MM or go in the future to a fair +/- 1. Thx.

 

 

 

Same feature in WOT only you don't get tier 3 in battles of tier 8 except platoons.

[Userext]

 

That's why I don't play pvp. I just play the daily 1.5x in PvE and that's it.

 

Until WG fixes MM and makes bigger Co-op teams I don't plan to spend a dime on this game.

 

There are 100k people at total playing this game, one person playing easy mode isnt going to make them "fix" PvP into an easier mode. Even if they do that you would complain about balance between ships because it isnt PvE it isnt easy as PvE

[Hellfoxe]

 

There are 100k people at total playing this game, one person playing easy mode isnt going to make them "fix" PvP into an easier mode. Even if they do that you would complain about balance between ships because it isnt PvE it isnt easy as PvE

 

You are joking max players in wow is 22k now today for the 100k you are talking about WOT.

[Userext]

 

You are joking max players in wow is 22k now today for the 100k you are talking about WOT.

 

You do realise EU server isnt the only server right? This game has over 100k players at total. Wot has around 900k-1200k

[Hellfoxe]

 

You do realise EU server isnt the only server right? This game has over 100k players at total. Wot has around 900k-1200k

 

So far this topic only cover about EU server and I know they are worldwide around 900k-1200k playing with Wargaming.

[Userext]

 

So far this topic only cover about EU server and I know they are worldwide around 900k-1200k playing with Wargaming.

 

OP's questions are answered. But everyone knows PvE is a lot more easier than PvP so yeah if you like PvE because "MM is broken" even if they make MM the way whiners want those whiners are still not good enough for PvP. I seriously fail to see a problem with MM

[Fi_8_8_8_8]

The problem exists, and is is easily visible when looking at the data. A T3 BBs chances for "good" MM is a lot lower than the chances for a T8-T10 ship. This is simply due to the maximum tier being 10 etc. The same problem occurs at the low tier spectrum. Here WG has forced a +-1T system, so that you won't be overwhelmed as a new player.
Even though you presumably have the same chances of being low or high tier, the spread is too large. Not sure how it translates at the T8-10 spectrum, since I don't have a ship that high, but facing a NC in a NY is simply ludicrous. The same goes for T 3 BBs, which are one of the worst MM recipients. There is no balance here whatsoever. As the best MM you'll get is your own tier, but on the other side you sometimes face NMs and Fusos.
I picked the BB examples on purpose, as IMO these are the most severe in terms of armoring, alpha dmg, penetration, AA, speed and range.
 

And no, I am not trying to whine here. I still have fun and don't think that I suck too much. But often enough you get thrown into a match that limits your options and impact you can have on the battle.
I am fully aware, that with only two full nations the MM spread is vital to not have a variety of vessels in ever game. But I do expect and hope that as soon as the Russian and German fleet appear that the MM spread will be lowered from 3 to 2. As this also helps balancing issues between different ships, since many encounters are then not possible anymore.
It is also likely that through more balanced MM the frustration and rage factor of the game will decrease at least for some (me included). This should leave more players coming back to the game and in the long terms stabilize the player base.

[Userext]

MM might go to +2-2 system if WoWs get enough players (aka 70-100k players)

[Hanszeehock]

 

You are joking max players in wow is 22k now today for the 100k you are talking about WOT.

 

There are clearly more than 20k regular players. You probably need about 100k active players to support a population of 20K because different people play different times of the day. 

[Gunship14]

That's weird, I also got into a T8 game with my cleveland, but with New Mexico the highest was 7. 

[AmazingBeaver]

Tier VIII is where the fun is at... 

 

[Jaeger_Bomb_Meister]

 

I made 3 games (pvp) today with my (stock) cleveland.

 

1. Tier 6 - Tier 8

with 8 Tier 8 on every side O.O

 

2. Tier 6 - Tier 8

only 2 Tier 6, the other were tier 7 and 8

 

3. Tier 6 - Tier 9 !

The +/- 2 MM is already not so funny, but Tier 9? No thats not okay.

 

 

 

 

 

Be nice if Shell Velocity Was Increased on Cleaver,I'd be up for even a tier 10 match, no probs

[vortenus]

Try to beat this:

 

 

 

Thank god they fixed mm. I don't wont to know how this match would look like before patch.

[OldGrandad]

Thank god they fixed mm. I don't wont to know how this match would look like before patch.

 

Ah, the stronk tier 10 division! Would be interesting to know what time of day and how many were online? Only recently got my regular tier 8's (I discount the Tirpitz and Atago) and have already felt the power of the tier 10 ships. But, when more get to tier 10 they certainly will not have it as easy so they better make hay whilst it is still shining for them!

[LetsRockAndRoll]

Try to beat this:

 

 

 

Thank god they fixed mm. I don't wont to know how this match would look like before patch.

 

Many WoW streamers have shown how playing a tier X division seems to confuse or even break the mm system. 

 

 

[kiteohatto]

Looks like tier 3 is where it's at.....

[ilhilh]

I don't see the MM as a huge problem in terms of tier spread.  Sometimes you get top dog status and others you need to suck it up and play smarter.  The variation is part of what makes the challenge fun.  At least with WoWs you can still consistently cause damage to people even if they are much higher tier (particularly with the Cleveland for heavens sake - HE spam behemoth).

 

The problem I have is with the questionable balance sometimes.  I played a game at the weekend that was 12v10.  Ok so they get 2 more ships (which I would argue often is a huge advantage in itself) but we will get better ships right?  Oh, we have a tier IX... hahahaha... they have 3.  Right.... 

[vortenus]

 

Ah, the stronk tier 10 division! Would be interesting to know what time of day and how many were online? Only recently got my regular tier 8's (I discount the Tirpitz and Atago) and have already felt the power of the tier 10 ships. But, when more get to tier 10 they certainly will not have it as easy so they better make hay whilst it is still shining for them!

 

I think it was around 10 pm, so not that weird hour. We lost ofc, but it was quite funny to watch how Yamato and Montana steamrolled those Tirpitzes... Tirpitzs... Tirpitzi... ahh fck it.

[simonmd]

I dont know if the MM is broken or not, certainly the chart posted by 'userext' clearly shows that this seems to be working as it should be. However, the OP does have a point and I mentioned something similar just yesterday in a seperate thread regarding the Cleveland itself and whether it should be moved up a tier once the US cruiser line is added to.

 

The problem here, as can be seen in the pics posted, is the flipping Tirpitz. I think basically the servers are flooded with Tier 8 ships right now because so many have bought it and so anyone from a tier either side is going to be thrown in with it to make the numbers up. This is why it seems that the Cleveland is always the lowest tier ship in a game right now because they (and an equal measure of other T 6 ships no doubt) have to be used to make up the numbers in the higher tier matches. I think the only thing to be done right now is to not play it for the time being and let the novelty of the T8 premium ships calm down, then it should be back to a fairer selection and we can all go back to terrorizing South Carrolinas again!

[Ironvos]

I pretty much always end up with a few tirpitz in my matchup as an Aoba.

It's either that, or a very rare occasion where i'm a top tier ship.

Suffice to say as a T6 cruiser things get rough with so many higher tier BBs around that can wreck you in the blink of an eye.