DD plague in low tiers

[Rufus_Roughcut]

I started playing last week and have had about 30 ish games or so. I am already at the stage of giving up due to T2 and T3 being plagued by DD's. The last couple of days every battle I have had, more than half the teams are DDs. I have started looking some of them up afterwards as they seem too good for new guys. most seem to have 6 or 7 hundred battles and 1 or 2 even up to 1700. Why are they not playing higher tiers rather than filling their boots with people with basically little idea how to cope against them?

It is a bit soul destroying to be killed in the first 3 minutes by seasoned veterans most games. 

 

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[Userext]

WG refusing to buff high tier DDs(it has been 5-6 months i doubt they will ever buff them) so most of people are abusing low tier DDs. They make good money they are powerfull for their tier and WG doesnt change anything about them. 

[goodman528]

low tier DD is just seal clubbing weapon of choice for a lot of people.

[KptStrzyga]

When I get daily mission to hit 15 torps or to get 5 torp hits in one battle I can take Fubuki and keep trying all day or take Umikaze and do it in one or two games. It has nothing to do with me deliberatly trolling newbies, I`m sorry for that but don`t blame me, blame WG. 

 

[Kharazas]

Well I do understand you. Its just that DDs on T3-5(6) are fun to play. T7 and above is .. different and sometimes not rewarding.

 

Right now for me it's:

 

Base captured = average game

1 torpedo hit = good game

2+ torpedo hits = great game

ship sunk = superb game

2 ships sunk = WG must love me

[Kaptain_Tripps]

I play my Minekaze quite a lot and the reason is I enjoy DD gameplay but higher tier DDs suck massively. It's not so much that I want to punish newbies just it's the only way to play a viable DD right now.

 

Loving the MInekaze buff btw!

[GeneralRushHour]

WG refusing to buff high tier DDs(it has been 5-6 months i doubt they will ever buff them) so most of people are abusing low tier DDs. They make good money they are powerfull for their tier and WG doesnt change anything about them. 

 

That and the fact that getting back to lower tier games is just so much fun. 

I only play BB and CA in higher tiers but man, taking a Izokaze out and just wrecking stuff is so much fun. 

People sail in a straight line, Carriers ignore you, everyone has tunnel-vision, DDs are much more competitive in lower tiers etc. 

 

 

[True_Winterfeld]

Iam playing my Tier 2 DD to chill. Cruising around, not being bothered by the none existing team play you find even in higher Tiers. BTW, It was not different when the game came into the OBT. Everybody was driving a DD. Its was new, exciting. Torps away.

 

Try to look at it from a nother perspective, the experience you gain here from fighting these Tier 2 DDs, will help you when you face their meaner brethren in higher Tiers.

[YukiEiriKun]

And I felt bad using St.Lois as my relaxing cruise ship.

 

[Nagine]

Well I do understand you. Its just that DDs on T3-5(6) are fun to play. T7 and above is .. different and sometimes not rewarding.

 

You summarized popular belief about DDs very well. However, I wouldn't agree about rewards of high tiers part. Yes, there are much more sucky games there, in which you can't do anything to change the outcome of a battle. However, when you do good in tier 7-9 game you feel much better than killing bunch of ships in Minekaze. Even a single torp hit starts to give thrills there  In other words, rewards are rarer, but they are bigger in high tiers.

[KptStrzyga]

 

You summarized popular belief about DDs very well. However, I wouldn't agree about rewards of high tiers part. Yes, there are much more sucky games there, in which you can't do anything to change the outcome of a battle. However, when you do good in tier 7-9 game you feel much better than killing bunch of ships in Minekaze. Even a single torp hit starts to give thrills there  In other words, rewards are rarer, but they are bigger in high tiers.

 

It`s a lousy reward. How much damage can you do with this one torpedo which is making you feel so good? 10k? 15k? Summarise hp pool of high tier team and you`ll see how pathetic is influence of destroyer on battle outcome.

Can you do 100k dmg with carrier in high tiers? Easy. With a battleship? Not a problem. With a cruiser? If you play good, yes you can. Do that much in high tier destroyer and you just had epic once-in-a-week battle. 

It`s not just a belief, it is sad reality.

[allufewig]

I'd love to Play DDs on higher tiers too, but I cant. Chosing an T7+ DD is almost like deliberately hurting your team and thats something not acceptable for me. Sorry OP.

 

Btw, my favourtite clubbing DD is Nicholas right now. Maybe it doesnt club as hard as an Umikaze or Isokaze, but I like the flexible guns and hilarious 6-torp-turn-6-torp move.

[ColonelPete]

I started playing last week and have had about 30 ish games or so. I am already at the stage of giving up due to T2 and T3 being plagued by DD's. The last couple of days every battle I have had, more than half the teams are DDs. I have started looking some of them up afterwards as they seem too good for new guys. most seem to have 6 or 7 hundred battles and 1 or 2 even up to 1700. Why are they not playing higher tiers rather than filling their boots with people with basically little idea how to cope against them?

It is a bit soul destroying to be killed in the first 3 minutes by seasoned veterans most games. 

 

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Evading Torpedos is easy and the Bread and Butter of the game. Learn it quickly.

And take a Cruiser and have fun with the Destroyers.

[Nagine]

 

It`s a lousy reward. How much damage can you do with this one torpedo which is making you feel so good? 10k? 15k? Summarise hp pool of high tier team and you`ll see how pathetic is influence of destroyer on battle outcome.

Can you do 100k dmg with carrier in high tiers? Easy. With a battleship? Not a problem. With a cruiser? If you play good, yes you can. Do that much in high tier destroyer and you just had epic once-in-a-week battle. 

It`s not just a belief, it is sad reality.

 

I do not mean post battle screen. Lousy result is always a lousy result. And in that respect high tier DDs are indeed broken. However, the difference lies ingame. When you get that torp hit "badge" in tier 2-5 game, its just yet another hit. However, if you do this in tier 8-10, your hunter instinct awakens  Add the fact, that in higher tiers you can do much more things and at the same time you are forced to think more, in my opinion, gameplay there is much more interesting. Although the stats there might indeed sadden very often. So I fully understand why people go to lower tiers to relief stress. And that is why I am waiting for Tachibana to arrive myself

[ColonelPete]

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[Kenliero]

Torpedomissions might be one of the reasons.

 

I haven't played Destroyers since the first week of OBT(and my first games in Wows), and I have been stuck in missions ever since. Basicly WG is trying to "force" me to play Destroyers, simply to get dailies done, but I won't play them anyway. I rather not do missions at all in this game then. I would assume that some play them to get daily missions done.

[viceadmiral123]

DDs are most fun in tier 2-4. Players with thousands of games under their name can be found there, not only high tiers.

[Barkyro]

Well I agree and disagree with the low tier DD's. Yes they are extremely fun and easy to play since most people at T2-5 do not realize that you are the biggest threat to there well being. Yes T 7 and above are a pain but my opinion is that they are a pain for the first 10-15 games(IJN Excusive) but that changes quickly if you have USN DD's. Yesterday I had a 7 torp game in the Hatsuharu which most people call the worst DD at T 7 but I consider it better than anything before it with the main reason 2 X 2 -127 mm guns which give you options . I will never consider a 1-2 torp game good and it's my fault I did not do much more yes they are extremely fragile and yes you get spotted once and if you don't react on the dime you get killed but hats why it is a different play stile . On a side note I am heavily considering getting back the Isokaze but I'll wait to see what the Fubuki is made of first.

 

As for the OP it is not the players fault that high tier DD's got nerfed out of existence and without a buff and a serious one people will continue to stick to low tiers. All I can say is try to adapt and advance quickly.

 

Have a good one,

Barky

[Rufus_Roughcut]

Evading Torpedos is easy and the Bread and Butter of the game. Learn it quickly.

And take a Cruiser and have fun with the Destroyers.

 

It may be and I am doing my best but when there are 7 or 8 DD's fighting for the kills there isn't much you can do when there are 2 or 3 charging at you not even worrying about being spotted. Very frustrating. 

[Barkyro]

Well I do have another suggestion, get a gunboat CL (nearly all of them at T2-4) an have some fun with them plus that will teach you the correct way to lead destroyers with your guns ;) also remember to use HE on them to knock out modules maybe that will put the smile back on your face. I suggest the Tenryu Kuma or Phoenix since the St. Louis is not that maneuverable but it would be a good choice as well. The Chikuma may also be able to hold its own as well as the Chester but only fully upgraded.

[ColonelPete]

I have never seen games with 7+ DDs on one team and I cannot imagine them beeing in one spot.

 

The most I saw was 5 DD on one team and 3 DD in one spot. 2+ Cruiser should be enough.

US DD get focused to scrap before they are in range and any IJN DD that is revealed gets a pounding.

[Iron_Gekko]

DD's don't have a lot of hitpoints and normally turn to scrap really fast if you've got a good aim, play a bit more and practice that aim, you'll ramp up kills soon enough.

[Userext]

OH i remember one more thing. More DD captains at lower tiers is a good thing. Why? A DD worths more exp than you can imagine. You did %50 damage to a tier 3 DD? It gives the same exp if you would have done %50 damage to a BB. Seriously in one of my minekaze battles there were two DDs in front of me at all times so i couldnt hit any enemy ship but instead i killed them. I was the top of team with 1.6k exp. Of course it was a win but still 1.6k base exp because i killed 2 DDs is just you know funny

[DarthMurloc]

FOTM - flavor of the month syndrome.

Fast and agile, hard hitting, hard to spot. Almost a definition of OP ship. Ah, and it bring tons of credits and stars.

 

Not so long ago CVs were on top and I bet if WG somehow decided to buff considerably BBs then people would "suddenly" state they "always" loved and played that class... Some are just like that, no matter what I play as long as it's OP.

 

my 0.02 €

[Rufus_Roughcut]

I have never seen games with 7+ DDs on one team and I cannot imagine them beeing in one spot.

 

The most I saw was 5 DD on one team and 3 DD in one spot. 2+ Cruiser should be enough.

US DD get focused to scrap before they are in range and any IJN DD that is revealed gets a pounding.

 

Early evening yesterday I had 3 games in a row with a minimum of 6 DD's on each side (just before I started this thread). One had 8 on one team and 9 on the other. The funny thing is, at least 2 of ours were killed by their own team as the centre of the map was a torpedo frenzy in the map with a gap between 2 big islands.