Bias Against US?

[gravelbelly]

Having seen the abysmal bias and imbalance in World or Tanks I also see it in World of Warships. How is it that Jap CVs at tier 6 can fly up to 5 Squadrons yet US CVs can only fly 3? I don't see any reason to play US CVs when their Jap counterparts just swamp them

 

[wremise]

planes of the ryuujou: 5 squadrons of 4 planes = 20

planes of the independence: 3 squadrons of 6 planes = 18

 

so it IS pretty balanced, cause if you would add one more squadons to the us side, it would be 20 vs 24... would it be better?

[Artech52]

I'm only on the first two CVs, but US fighters seem to be stomping all over me. Seems a lot like they've got some advantages of their own.

[Karaya1]

I'm only on the first two CVs, but US fighters seem to be stomping all over me. Seems a lot like they've got some advantages of their own.

 

Yes, including Better divebomber squads and a VERY tight spread on Torpedo bombers. Not to mention each of those also having 2 more planes.

[ShockPirat]

Lemming, on tiers 4 and 5 USN are better at fighters and IJN are better at strike. It simply comes down to numbers: lets take the Langley and the Hosho for instance. Langley has 2 squads, a total of 6 fighters and 6 torp bombers and Hosho has 3 squads, a total of only 4 fighters and 8 torp bombers. 6>4. That's the only reason why you lose. The plane stats themselves are almost equal.
It swings around later, when IJN get more fighter squads. On tiers 9 and 10 USN are better at strike and IJN at air.
Mid tiers, IJN are simply better because of poor loadout options of USN CVs.
If you're tired of getting stomped over on tiers 4 and 5, just take the fighter loadout on tier 6 and you will stomp Independences easily. Trust me

 

Karaya, in this game (and generally in war) quantity beats quality (USN squads are of higher quality because they get more planes - planes themselves are almost equal). Having more squads is better both offensively and defensively. You can flood/fire an enemy and wait for them to repair with an unloaded squad nearby. Then you set them on fire/flood again. USN can't do that. And defensively, enemy fighters or ship AA can focus only one squad of planes. It is obvious it's better to get 4 planes  focused than to get 6 planes focused.

 

To compare it with real life:

Tiger was a much better tank than Sherman in WW2. But there's only so much several hundred Tigers can do vs 10 000 Shermans

[Karaya1]

Karaya, in this game (and generally in war) quantity beats quality (USN squads are of higher quality because they get more planes - planes themselves are almost equal). Having more squads is better both offensively and defensively. You can flood/fire an enemy and wait for them to repair with an unloaded squad nearby. Then you set them on fire/flood again. USN can't do that. And defensively, enemy fighters or ship AA can focus only one squad of planes. It is obvious it's better to get 4 planes  focused than to get 6 planes focused.

 

 

Oh of course, i have a Hiryu of my own. I know how awesome it is to wait for people to repair and then burn or flood them again. My point was that the alpha damage per squad especially higher tiers is just so mcuh better. After all 1 squad of US TBs can make as many hits as 2 IJN squads. Not to mention the incredibly higher bomb damage coupled with more bombers per squad can make even Dive Bombers quite effective T7+.

[Sasha31]

sorry but IJN op? lol.. IJN fighters can't do jack .. unless you have total air fighter load and enemy US CV doesn't have all air superiority load.. unless in this specific case you can't win air war..

 

 I am playing at CV IJN Ryuio Tier 6 and i know what i'm talking.. my fighters can't kill a retreating US Torpedo squadron..in fact they get killed by it!)) 

 

 and yes, i have mods, i have the upgrade for 10% fighter efficiency..i even splurged 500K credits for upgrade 2 for 20 % more fighter survivability.. and to no avail... US CV destroys my air..and in such quick time my torpedo bombers can't slip by to strike the enemy BBs.. its like 3 seconds, boom all my 4 fighters die and if i'm lucky i kill 1 enemy fighter..then he sends his remaining 5 fighters to kill the rest of the Brady Bunch..

 

 Sorry but WG did a number on IJN CVs.. i don't think i'll play them anymore.. i think many players will stop.. today i have seen quite alot of games without CV.. i wonder why)..

[Spellfire40]

sorry but IJN op? lol.. IJN fighters can't do jack .. unless you have total air fighter load and enemy US CV doesn't have all air superiority load.. unless in this specific case you can't win air war..

 

 I am playing at CV IJN Ryuio Tier 6 and i know what i'm talking.. my fighters can't kill a retreating US Torpedo squadron..in fact they get killed by it!))

 

 and yes, i have mods, i have the upgrade for 10% fighter efficiency..i even splurged 500K credits for upgrade 2 for 20 % more fighter survivability.. and to no avail... US CV destroys my air..and in such quick time my torpedo bombers can't slip by to strike the enemy BBs.. its like 3 seconds, boom all my 4 fighters die and if i'm lucky i kill 1 enemy fighter..then he sends his remaining 5 fighters to kill the rest of the Brady Bunch..

 

 Sorry but WG did a number on IJN CVs.. i don't think i'll play them anymore.. i think many players will stop.. today i have seen quite alot of games without CV.. i wonder why)..

 

Dont know what game you are playing but the anti air Ryujo is way better than an Indi. More Reserves and your dont have only DB as an anti ship weapon. If he goes anti air its 12 vs 12 if not he dont have any planes soon.

 

Cya

 

Spellfire40

[Takeda92]

Look at tier 5.. IJN 4*4=16 / USN 3*6=18

 

bias eh? Go back to the NA forum.

[FloRead]

Look at tier 5.. IJN 4*4=16 / USN 3*6=18

 

bias eh? Go back to the NA forum.

 

You do realize that T5 is the only tier where the USN outnumbers the IJN in terms of number of planes in the sky? T6-10, IJN always puts out more planes, made only worse with air supremacy.

 

[Takeda92]

 

You do realize that T5 is the only tier where the USN outnumbers the IJN in terms of number of planes in the sky? T6-10, IJN always puts out more planes, made only worse with air supremacy.

 

 

Let's do calculations

 

tier 4: IJN 3x4= 12 / USN 2x6= 12 equal

tier 5: IJN 4x4=16 / USN 3x6= 18 USN has more

tier 6: IJN 5x4= 20 / USN 3x6 = 18 IJN has more

tier 7: IJN 6x4= 24 / USN 4x6= 24 equal

tier 8: IJN 6x4= 24 / USN 4x6= 24 equal

tier 9: IJN 7x4= 28 / USN 5x4= 30 USN has more

tier 10: IJN 8x4= 32 / USN 5x4= 30 IJN has more

[ShockPirat]

 

Let's do calculations

 

tier 4: IJN 3x4= 12 / USN 2x6= 12 equal

tier 5: IJN 4x4=16 / USN 2x6 because upgraded loadouts suck= 12 IJN has more

tier 6: IJN 5x4= 20 / USN 3x6 = 18 IJN has more

tier 7: IJN 6x4= 24 / USN 3x6 because upgraded loadouts suck= 18 IJN has more

tier 8: IJN 6x4= 24 / USN 4x6= 24 equal

tier 9: IJN 7x4= 28 / USN 5x4= 30 USN has more

tier 10: IJN 8x4= 32 / USN 5x4= 30 IJN has more

 

 

Fixed it for you

 

 

 

 

[Takeda92]

It's the game's problem you find the loadouts suck so you use stock ones.. of course US carriers will suck if you play stock.

[ShockPirat]

Exactly. It's the game problem and it should get fixed. And upgraded loadouts suck too.

[gravelbelly]

 

 

In mid tiers for US (I am on Independence tier 6) you generally get:

 

1/1/1  chance to get xp but IJN from what I have read never fly stock so there will always be IJN fighter group to engage US fighters and then rape bombers and torps

 

2/0/1 for air means anti ship sucks, so no xp, I've read you get rock all for shooting down aircaraft, if this was different it might help

 

0/1/2 dive bombers which are not that good, no change torps, but get raped by IJN fighters

 

IJN gets:

 

1/1/2  1 group to engage US fighters, 1 torps and 2 bombers so chance of xp on enemy

 

3/1/1 so this loadout has 3 fighter groups 2 to engage US fighters and 1 to rape US torps or bombers, if US is stock then 1 group to engage fighters and 2 to rape torps and bombers. It does not matter how many fighters in US group as they are all in 1 group unless you go for 2/0/2.

 

1/2/2 so 1 group to engage US fighters and 2 torps and 2 bombers to score xp on enemy.

 

If the US could get 2/1/0 that would give it a chance to at least get xp on enemy ships and have a chance to survive the multiple IJN fighter groups.

It is NOT the total amout of fighters in the air it is the GROUPINGS that decide the issue.

The more groupings you can put in the air, the more flexibilty you have. Simple as.....

 

With US using 1 fighter group I can only try to defend my strike groups, the IJN strike groups get free reign, or I can try to attack IJN strike groups and my strike groups get raped.

If I put up 2 fighter groups then my xp is minimal at best.

If I put 0 fighters up, then I will get raped quicker

[Iron_Gekko]

As it stands, the midway is hands down the most powerful CV in the game, the ship itself is way better armed then it's top tier opponent and it's airwings with the right modul and captain skills are beastly.

 

It's a hard grind up the US CV tier but it's rewarding.

[Msiiek]

As it stands, the midway is hands down the most powerful CV in the game, the ship itself is way better armed then it's top tier opponent and it's airwings with the right modul and captain skills are beastly.

 

It's a hard grind up the US CV tier but it's rewarding.

 

 This. When you get essex, game start to look better as 2x us tb is super strong. Just don't give up on ranger.

[Kumagawa]

sorry but IJN op? lol.. IJN fighters can't do jack .. unless you have total air fighter load and enemy US CV doesn't have all air superiority load.. unless in this specific case you can't win air war..

 

 I am playing at CV IJN Ryuio Tier 6 and i know what i'm talking.. my fighters can't kill a retreating US Torpedo squadron..in fact they get killed by it!))

 

 and yes, i have mods, i have the upgrade for 10% fighter efficiency..i even splurged 500K credits for upgrade 2 for 20 % more fighter survivability.. and to no avail... US CV destroys my air..and in such quick time my torpedo bombers can't slip by to strike the enemy BBs.. its like 3 seconds, boom all my 4 fighters die and if i'm lucky i kill 1 enemy fighter..then he sends his remaining 5 fighters to kill the rest of the Brady Bunch..

 

 Sorry but WG did a number on IJN CVs.. i don't think i'll play them anymore.. i think many players will stop.. today i have seen quite alot of games without CV.. i wonder why)..

 

I have fully upgraded independence fighters and 2 squads of 6 against 1 Ryujo fighter squad and I'm losing 8+ fighters and having no ammo left to do anything else.

[MrEasyUK]

planes of the ryuujou: 5 squadrons of 4 planes = 20

planes of the independence: 3 squadrons of 6 planes = 18

 

so it IS pretty balanced, cause if you would add one more squadons to the us side, it would be 20 vs 24... would it be better?

 

It is not balanced its a joke and needs sorting

[MrEasyUK]

 

Let's do calculations

 

tier 4: IJN 3x4= 12 / USN 2x6= 12 equal

tier 5: IJN 4x4=16 / USN 3x6= 18 USN has more

tier 6: IJN 5x4= 20 / USN 3x6 = 18 IJN has more

tier 7: IJN 6x4= 24 / USN 4x6= 24 equal

tier 8: IJN 6x4= 24 / USN 4x6= 24 equal

tier 9: IJN 7x4= 28 / USN 5x4= 30 USN has more

tier 10: IJN 8x4= 32 / USN 5x4= 30 IJN has more

 

Are you kidding, Dive bombers do not sink ships as often as a Torpedo planes in fact a Bomber plane does pitiful damage unless you get a kill on a low HP Ship, the fact is and it can no way be denied as it is there slapping everyone in the face, the IJN CV's have more of an ability to sink ships its a fact for crying out loud which causes an imbalance to every damned game so until they do something it will mean the side with IJN CV's will stand a better chance.

 

I don't want to just get Clear sky every time I play my US CV using fighters, I want to sink ships, the US CV is up against fighters from all manner of ships, why cant people see this? The tail gunner, tougher planes is nothing compared to the launch and strike capability of an IJN CV, its pathetic and its stupid and it needs changing, I have  spent money on this game, pehaps WG should see how much and listen, people do not buy in to the imbalance so change is needed, can you hear me?

[Takeda92]

 

Are you kidding, Dive bombers do not sink ships as often as a Torpedo planes in fact a Bomber plane does pitiful damage unless you get a kill on a low HP Ship, the fact is and it can no way be denied as it is there slapping everyone in the face, the IJN CV's have more of an ability to sink ships its a fact for crying out loud which causes an imbalance to every damned game so until they do something it will mean the side with IJN CV's will stand a better chance.

 

I don't want to just get Clear sky every time I play my US CV using fighters, I want to sink ships, the US CV is up against fighters from all manner of ships, why cant people see this? The tail gunner, tougher planes is nothing compared to the launch and strike capability of an IJN CV, its pathetic and its stupid and it needs changing, I have  spent money on this game, pehaps WG should see how much and listen, people do not buy in to the imbalance so change is needed, can you hear me?

 

I was almost taking you seriously until I read your last statement. If you think WG should buff your ship because you paid money and the fact I have no idea why you quoted me in the first place, I never said anything about DB, makes me think you're just raging and should not be taken seriously.

[MrEasyUK]

 

I was almost taking you seriously until I read your last statement. If you think WG should buff your ship because you paid money and the fact I have no idea why you quoted me in the first place, I never said anything about DB, makes me think you're just raging and should not be taken seriously.

 

Quite a pointless comment, we all buy in to the game with time or money and commercials make the game or didn't you realize that, buff my ship lol, what so buff my ship so I am special? Come on dude... what a troll, I am talking about an imbalance that is slapping people right in face it beggars belief how it can continue, so what your saying  is I should have no say, screw that I am spending money and spending my time playing it, so what is so bad about asking for change? 

 

You got a tester avatar, for god sake don't tell me you think they are balanced?

 

[Takeda92]

 

Quite a pointless comment, we all buy in to the game with time or money and commercials make the game or didn't you realize that, buff my ship lol, what so buff my ship so I am special? Come on dude... what a troll, I am talking about an imbalance that is slapping people right in face it beggars belief how it can continue, so what your saying  is I should have no say, screw that I am spending money and spending my time playing it, so what is so bad about asking for change? 

 

You got a tester avatar, for god sake don't tell me you think they are balanced?

 

 

Saying something is imbalanced is one thing, throwing tantrums and nonsense, and using the oh so popular "I spend money on this game" argument? You quoted my post about the numbers of planes each carrier can put in the sky, I did not even say any opinion in that post itself, you go about useless dive bombers, rear gunners or wanting to sink ships in a fighter deck (what? dude, it is a fighter deck. You don't want to kill planes go play another deck) and then you call me trolling for replying to that? what am I even supposed to say when you're obviously not ever writing calmly? Just a few days ago I had this same argument in another thread, I said what I think, I made threads about what I think should be done. I'm not going to go through it all over again. If you just wanted to say your opinion, don't write it after clicking "quote" on my post.

 

This "tester" title.. I don't know what people think this means, I've seen people think that they're getting paid or something to "test" the game. Weekend tester just means I started playing the game when WG gave up codes to try the game for the public during weekend back in December last year. The game was still alpha and I managed to get a code I found on a forum. The game has changed significantly since then and if USN CVs are really imbalanced then they will change eventually. The same with the guys with beta testers or alpha testers tag. Where not special, we are players like everyone else. Only Supertesters actually test the game on a separate supertest client and they are still not getting paid for that.

 

[MrEasyUK]

Forget the gratification in your reply....Lets establish something here, do you think the US and IJN CV's are balanced?

[Takeda92]

Forget the gratification in your reply....Lets establish something here, do you think the US and IJN CV's are balanced?

 

No. Langley, Lexi and Midway are better than Houshou, Shoukaku and Hakuryuu (Only slightly for the tier 10s) while Ryuujo and Hiryuu are better than Indy and Ranger. Tier 5 seems fine and idk about tier 9.

Why? because Langley's 1 fighter can kill all the 12 planes that Houshou carries without even having to go back and refuel. Shoukaku is the only IJN carrier after tier 5 that has a clear disadvantage in fighter power (check their HP and DPS) so she will never win in aerial in a 3/1/2 while her TB with the same damage as tier 4 is outshined by the over buffed American TBs and DBs.. not to mention if you send that TB to any target and they will focus fire and kill it before it gets even close. IJN CVs were overpowered because they had multiple TBs.. even when their stats were way lower than an American TB, they were good because they were many. Now tell me how 1 IJN TB with huge spread and same tier 4 damage can do any more damage a US carrier can't do?

Let's go to Ryuujou. I think it's better mainly because she has more reserve plane + having 2 more planes in the sky. The gap between Hiryuu and Ranger is smaller but Hiryuu just by being more flexible is better. However people compare her to a Stock Ranger and that is just foolish. It is stock for a reason. 

 

What do you know, it's like the same in each and every line. Same thing with cruisers, battleships and destroyers. There's always a ship better than something else, and no I do not agree. 

 

Now let me ask you a question: did you actually compared the stats of the carriers? Did you actually consider what will happen if you give an Indy or a Ranger 1 TB instead of 1 DB in their fighter loadouts?