Mogami: 155mm or 203mm ?

[Neo_ST]

I currently have 155mm guns on Mogami and I love it.

Is 203mm upgrade worth it, or should I skip ?

Which one would you choose and why ?

[GhostNemesys]

Taking out my Mogami with 203mm guns because of following reasons:

- 155 mm guns are the only exception in the IJN CA line, so you are changing your play style for just one configuration on one ship

- Since the Furutaka I learned to shoot AP and hit citadels reliably, if I would change to HE spam I am afraid I would lose my aim

- Citadel hits are the best reward I can imagine, much more satisfying than constant numbers with HE spam

- AP might get rid of surprised CAs much faster than slowly melting them with HE

 

[Neo_ST]

I tried using AP, but all I get is 500-700 damage. With HE I'm constantly getting 3-4k damage.

I guess I'm using AP incorrectly ?

[GhostNemesys]

I tried using AP, but all I get is 500-700 damage. With HE I'm constantly getting 3-4k damage.

I guess I'm using AP incorrectly ?

 

Hmm, I am getting 3-6k dmg per salvo without citadel penetration. With citadel hits it can go up to 17k. But yeah, when shells are bouncing or overpenetrating it will be a lot less.

[GeneralHorstPital]

Once I unlock the Mogami and the 203 mm guns, I will only use the 203 mm guns.

Personally, I hate the HE spam in this game. I hate when others do it and I don´t like doing it myself.

 

In my opinion, using the 203 mm guns actually makes you a better player. You have to think about the ammunition choice, you will have to learn to aim for citadels, etc.

[Bushpanther]

Got advanced firing training on my Mogami captain so it feels like a waste not to use the 155mm guns. Apart from that the 203mm guns feel like a downgrade from Myoko because their range is 1k less. Tried both by the way.

 

If the range of the 203mms would be a bit better they would be a viable alternative for the 155mms, right now the latter is better on both DPM and range.

[Neo_ST]

Once I unlock the Mogami and the 203 mm guns, I will only use the 203 mm guns.

Personally, I hate the HE spam in this game. I hate when others do it and I don´t like doing it myself.

 

In my opinion, using the 203 mm guns actually makes you a better player. You have to think about the ammunition choice, you will have to learn to aim for citadels, etc.

 

I'd love to aim for citadels, but in my experience there's no certainty or logic behind it. No matter how good I aim for citadel (and hit it), it randomly registers a citadel hit or not.

Sometimes my shells fall far in front of the ship - and I get a citadel hit.

Sometimes they fall behind it - and I get a citadel hit.

I don't really understand what's the point of "aiming for citadels" then?

Maybe it works predictably in a lag-free environment (such as LAN), but so far I haven't been able to get citadel hits very much although my aim is correct and shells fall onto it.

[GhostNemesys]

Got advanced firing training on my Mogami captain so it feels like a waste not to use the 155mm guns. Apart from that the 203mm guns feel like a downgrade from Myoko because their range is 1k less. Tried both by the way.

 

If the range of the 203mms would be a bit better they would be a viable alternative for the 155mms, right now the latter is better on both DPM and range.

 

The range is indeed a downside of the 203mm...

[Pokerjoker]

Personally I love the 155mm, and extended range HE spam at max range. whenever I get close to someone, I can back it up with torps + switch to AP, to citadel the remaining hp. it just works to good for me. I wont even bother to try the 203mm on the Mogami =P

[Pivke]

since the last patch i find 155mm guns lacking a lot.

they just dont want to start HE fires... and without fires the damage i can do is quite small

used to burn things left and right, but not any more. now i struggle with making any (credits) profit even on the winning games.

 

i just need some more credits to buy the 203mm, than i think its going to be better again. since i can use my expert aim to citadel hit other ships for great damage 

[Spidyy]

Just for the range, I keeped the 155mm. The Mogami have an big enough citadel already, no need to get it closer and easier to shoot at. :p

[Liare]

Taking out my Mogami with 203mm guns because of following reasons:

- 155 mm guns are the only exception in the IJN CA line, so you are changing your play style for just one configuration on one ship

- Since the Furutaka I learned to shoot AP and hit citadels reliably, if I would change to HE spam I am afraid I would lose my aim

- Citadel hits are the best reward I can imagine, much more satisfying than constant numbers with HE spam

- AP might get rid of surprised CAs much faster than slowly melting them with HE

 

the 155's have nearly identical shell arcs, and twice the DPM, you're effectively downgrading your ship by taking 203's, the 155's can get citadel pens against cruiser sized targets pretty easily as well.

[Atris2nd]

After the new patch, I would not play with the 155s for the life of me, nevermind the fact I love the idea of having the option to do a huge burst of damage every now and then. 57 second traverse speed is -terrible- and getting the traverse upgrade drops it down to 47 which is still terrible. Your utility as a cruiser becomes considerably worse and you're basically a moving gun battery with one fixation. You won't be able to readjust to deal with unexpected problems such as people flanking you or DDs popping out of nowhere.

 

203s are a no-brainer in the way of choice. 1 salvo can demolish a DD(Similarily to the 155s) but you also get exceptionally high damage against BBs and you can absolutely annihilate other cruisers by aiming at the waterline to score citadels reliably. It was worth using the 155s before but now? Not really. Not only but every Japanese ship following the Mogami uses 203s exclusively so don't bother changing your playstyle, you'll only suffer in higher tiers if you get used to the 155-spam playstyle.

[Thlurp]

definately 203mm

 

the only downside is the range you don't get from the t4 skill using 203mm

 

even though on paper the 155mm seem to do more dpm, it is trickier than just that

 

the 203mm have a much better penetration value on HE and AP, so critical hits with HE ammo and citadels with AP will happen much more reliable.

actually scoring a citadel with the 155mm AP ammo is pretty much impossible.

 

also, as firechance is bound to calibre of the gun, you actually start fires more reliable with the 203mm

 

so if you have a good hitrate, take the 203mm

if your accuracy lacks and you're not sure when to use AP, you might consider the 155mm for more pewpew

[Diminios]

After the new patch, I would not play with the 155s for the life of me, nevermind the fact I love the idea of having the option to do a huge burst of damage every now and then. 57 second traverse speed is -terrible- and getting the traverse upgrade drops it down to 47 which is still terrible.

 

According to the patch notes, the traverse speed was changed from 4.5deg/s to 3.5deg/s (i.e. time for 180 degrees went up from 40s to 51s). With the tier 2 commander skill for turret rotation, that should drop down to 30s for 180 degrees, which is only slightly above a Cleveland (26 or so seconds, iirc).

 

Disclaimer: I don't own a Mogami yet, so I can't check ingame.

[tootz]

Before the last patch the 155s were awesome but I'm really struggling with them now. I hardly start any fires and the damage they are doing just feels lower than it was. I think I'm going to switch to the 203s for the last 100k of grind (and it does feel like a grind atm whereas pre-patch it was a joy to play).

[Bushpanther]

Before the last patch the 155s were awesome but I'm really struggling with them now. I hardly start any fires and the damage they are doing just feels lower than it was. I think I'm going to switch to the 203s for the last 100k of grind (and it does feel like a grind atm whereas pre-patch it was a joy to play).

 

 Amen to that.

 

Pre-patch I had no problems ending in the top-3 of the team, XP-wise. Post-patch I'm stuggeling to stay above place 10 

 

It's not the turret rotation rate, or that turrets get knocked out a bit more than before. I've got the impression that it's mostly due to the tuning down of the numberof fires started by the 155s HE. Firing AP with the 155s is not really a solution either in T8-T10 games. I might revert to the 203s but that's giving up 3k in range. And that hurts in those high tier games that the Mogami gets in to...

[Jester86]

You might want to get used to the lower range....you don't get the option with the Ibuki haha

 

[Kearnage]

I loved playing the Mogami during the CBT with the 203mm. So far I can't addapt all the changes with the 203mm. Mogami beeing a floating citadel I cannot risk to be at 13Km, therefore I'm obligatedto play with the 155mm (You add the captain skill and you do have a quite long fire range) in order to be at long distance.

 

Of course this is not mandatory to be addapted, it is just my opinion

[metallian1308]

I prefer the 155 and its high rate of fire. I start of at distance with HE, put my enemy on fire twice so itll burn a little then switch to AP and go for the kill-works like a charm. As I am always playing multipe ships (atm- Htsuharu,Mogami,Nagato and Tirpitz) I dont mind that this particular IJN Crusier is a bit different from the others in the line so I must change gamestyle when I upgrade it.

[mrak1979]

You might want to get used to the lower range....you don't get the option with the Ibuki haha

 

Ibuki should have even longer range with upgrade module or/and scouting plane:-)

[stryk33]

scouting plane is just a waste on anything tier 8 and higher

 

and ibuki has 19km range

[mrak1979]

scouting plane is just a waste on anything tier 8 and higher

 

and ibuki has 19km range

 

I dont told is worth it:-) but 19km range has with upgrade modul!

[FaceFisted]

155mm - HE spam is so rewarding Citadels are nice, but they don't burn

 

[silence5]

Every BB hit is a citadel hit ... and you want me to get closer to them ... No way. I'm staying with the 155mm