WG, please stop these fail divisions

[GhostNemesys]

Dear WarGaming,

 

can you please stop this from happening? A Tier III CL in a Tier IX match... says it all.

 

Just add a simple restriction when creating a division, that the disparity should not be bigger than max. 1 tier, best will be same tier.

 

[Richard_V]

Single St.Louis is not a big deal.Let him have fun. Noobs in premium ships are bigger disadvantage for a team.

[Szatanshow]

Its not such a issue as in Wot Here at least he can be usfull

I once saw Erie killing Kongo so here at least every ship can kill every ship

[GhostNemesys]

Its not such a issue as in Wot Here at least he can be usfull

I once saw Erie killing Kongo so here at least every ship can kill every ship

 

Getting the last hit with HE, yeah maybe... but what about overall DMG output, firing range, speed, AA capabilities and the ability to withstand enemy fire?

I do not have the feeling that hopelessly under-tiered ships are useful in any other way than bait for enemy shells, except for DDs.

[Flavonov]

It depends on what kind of platoon it is. I know that BBs have/had brutal matchmaking (not sure if this was fixed in the most recent patch), but I know that they could sometimes drag a lower tiered CV, CA/CL, or DD into a higher tiered game. Not as bad as the example you gave, but it can be a bit frustrating.

[OldGrandad]

I wholeheartedly agree with this. The main concern is that when a mismatched (more than 2 tiers apart) division appears in your team is does put you at a severe disadvantage immediately. The reason being the MM only looks at the highest tiered ship and matches the division accordingly. I am hopeful they do address this in PvP, as for PvE let the players do what they wish.

[Adwaenyth]

WG didn't do anything about fail platoons in WoT for over 5 years now, why would you think they'd do anything about fail divisions in WoWs?

[69thBuLLeT]

WG don't care about Fail Platoons/Divisions.

 

For some reason they don't consider it a problem. Frankly I gave up asking nicely when all you get from SerB (in WOT) is pathetic sarcasm.

 

Just ignore it and hope his experience is miserable enough that he stops doing it eventually.

[Adwaenyth]

WG don't care about Fail Platoons/Divisions.

 

For some reason they don't consider it a problem. Frankly I gave up asking nicely when all you get from SerB (in WOT) is pathetic sarcasm.

 

Just ignore it and hope his experience is miserable enough that he stops doing it eventually.

 

They are afraid to shut down the casual player base starting the game with a friend, so they won't keep them from playing together.

 

They might get it that a T3 ship will not be that helpful in a T8 battle after a few battles and that is enough for WG I guess.

[True_Winterfeld]

Basically I totaly agree, but like all things in life, it depends on the skipper. Here is a video of an evil man in a Tier 6 match with his Tier 2 DD. BTW, its in German!

 

[ReynoldsXD2]

+/-2tiers should be golden.

[GhostNemesys]

+/-2tiers should be golden.

 

Problem is, as stated above, that the MM is handling the division as a division of the highest tier ship. So, if you have a Tier VI and a Tier IV in a division, both are considered as Tier VI. If you now have the "luck" of Tier VI being the lowest tier in the match you have basically the scenario I posted in the beginning.

[Szatanshow]

 

Getting the last hit with HE, yeah maybe... but what about overall DMG output, firing range, speed and the ability to withstand enemy fire?

I do not have the feeling that hopelessly under-tiered ships are useful in any other way than bait for enemy shells, except for DDs.

 

Not last hit Kongo player total ignored him while chasing Carier and he just burn him to death

Btw Erie was 5 on the team on exp after battle

[Ubertron_X]

I'd team up with a T5 Minekaze in any T10 non-DD-ship. No use bringing higher tiered DD's into battle anyway... *sarcasm*

[GhostNemesys]

 

Not last hit Kongo player total ignored him while chasing Carier and he just burn him to death

Btw Erie was 5 on the team on exp after battle

 

Lucky Erie then ;-) But of course that is the exception to the rule.

[aboch]

I hate to see fail (troll) platoons/divisions in team. It could be easy fixed in my opinion. Either implent something like for carriers that it is not possible to choose a ship of lower tier in a division or just send them right into PVE battle mode battles if the tier is not the same, easy as that. But than again, it is wish thinking. For sure such divisions are totally annoying and in most cases just a handicap for the team, easy as that. 

Examples that here and there you have a lucky low tier ship changes nothing. In 99% they are just handicaps from battle start ......

[EsaTuunanen]

I wholeheartedly agree with this. The main concern is that when a mismatched (more than 2 tiers apart) division appears in your team is does put you at a severe disadvantage immediately. The reason being the MM only looks at the highest tiered ship and matches the division accordingly. I am hopeful they do address this in PvP, as for PvE let the players do what they wish.

And if that division's highest tiered ship is at lowest tier of the match whole match is uphill battle for the team.

If that fail division making of players has some "diplomatic immunity" from WG then at least MM could be made to give also enemy team similar tier ships.

 

For example early tier cruisers are such slow and short ranged that they can't really support attack effectively.

And if attack gets sinked their short ranged guns also make them bad for defense because of enemy being able to outrange them.

 

 

Also player should be able to select what ships he uses in what division.

Possibly some of these fail divisions come from people making division with one ship class/tree he has grinded to higher tier and then moving to other ship tree.

[Venatacia]

Agree also. Seeing a division consisting of a tier "IV" with a tier "I Erie" in a tier VI battle is not funny and not fair on anyone in that team. A division should be no more than 1 tier apart from each other.

[Major_Bstard]

 

They are afraid to shut down the casual player base starting the game with a friend, so they won't keep them from playing together.

 

They might get it that a T3 ship will not be that helpful in a T8 battle after a few battles and that is enough for WG I guess.

 

Spot on. WoW is at the point where investment returns are paramount to secure further dev'.

[IamTroublemaker]

Single St.Louis is not a big deal.Let him have fun. Noobs in premium ships are bigger disadvantage for a team.

 

Even though i dislike troll divisions, this is one of the wisest things I have read lately!

[GhostNemesys]

 

Even though i dislike troll divisions, this is one of the wisest things I have read lately!

 

But what if 11 (10 if you don't count the division mate) don't have fun in that match, so 1 player in his low tier ship is allowed to have fun? Is it not better to decide in favor of the greater good?

I mean 2 players are spoiling the fun for the other 10, and I don't think that you will have much fun in an under-tiered ship either.

Plus, players in low tier ships are noobs (in means of being new to the game) in most cases as well.

[IamTroublemaker]

 

But what if 11 (10 if you don't count the division mate) don't have fun in that match, so 1 player in his low tier ship is allowed to have fun? Is it not better to decide in favor of the greater good?

I mean 2 players are spoiling the fun for the other 10, and I don't think that you will have much fun in an under-tiered ship either.

Plus, players in low tier ships are noobs (in means of being new to the game) in most cases as well.

 

As I said, I'm against troll divisions and hate them, but that wasn't the point of my post, just read what I quoted mate...

[GhostNemesys]

 

As I said, I'm against troll divisions and hate them, but that wasn't the point of my post, just read what I quoted mate...

 

But this is exactly what I referred to:

 

Single St.Louis is not a big deal.Let him have fun. Noobs in premium ships are bigger disadvantage for a team.

 

1. Let him have fun: Spoiling fun for 10 others? Greater good?

2. Noobs in premium ships: Noobs in low tier ships are more likely, and they have even less effective tools to fail with.

 

If you refer to "single STL is not a big deal" then I did not make my point clear enough. It is not about this particular case but about fail divisions in general with the recommendation on how to avoid them, from the developer's point of view speaking.

 

But if you say, that it is wise that he does not care about fair teams then it is okay for him, but not for me and other people who want to play competitively on equal terms.

[Zenith]

It's not as if the higher tier player doesn't know what he's doing by brining a low tier along, because everyone knows how the match-making works, so there's no excuse. In my opinion, you shouldn't even be able to do that, because it is nothing but a troll tactic. 24 hour ban for both players would be appropriate, perhaps then they'd get the idea that spoiling the fun for others is not rewarded behaviour. 

[Tubit101]

Fail divisions are a problem. When it happes, it's a bigger problem than mismatched CVs and it's a much bigger problem than poor matchmaking (by definition, it's a huge fail in matchmaking). The bigger difference in tiers, the bigger the problem gets, especially if there's one high tier ship in division with two low tier ships - which I have seen several times - often just because someone thinks it's great to ruin the fun for everyone else.

 

So, explain to me: why should WG not fix fail divions when they take it upon themselves to fix mismatched CVs and poor matchmaking in general? Is there something special about fail divisions?

 

If someone's friend is new to the game, then they can play together with lower tier ships instead of ruining matches for everyone else.

 

I see someone saying "let them have their fun"... Are you kidding me? The rest of the team should have their fun ruined, because some idiots aren't able to division properly? Give me a break, that's ridiculous.