[OV] Ukio Players 132 posts 14,777 battles Report post #1 Posted September 1, 2015 I just figured this out - cruisers are far more effective at torpedo attacks than the destroyers. Give it a try - Myoko vs Hatsuharu. Add the extra life, AA and firepower - there you go - cruisers are far more efficient. They have almost the same speed, same torpedoes, same torpedo count. Yes - bad angle of launch, slight maneuverability difference and detection range, but with all these planes flying around who cares about detection range. And all premium ships can avoid all torpedoes with ease ... because the huuuuuge battleship is almost as maneuverable as you. Dodging - no problemo. Nobody plays destroyers, because they suck. At higher levels they suck even more. Wargaming, FIX. THE. FREAKING. GAME! It has been 4 years!!! 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BW-UK] Yorkie_GBR Beta Tester 331 posts 3,883 battles Report post #2 Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) meh... Edited September 2, 2015 by Yorkie_GBR 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NBS] silence5 Privateer 268 posts 10,540 battles Report post #3 Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) And here ladies and gentlemen we have a prime example of bad players who don't understand the game. Wanna know his stats? 1000+ battles 46% WL ratio Average damage of 28k average tier 5.3 Kd ratio of 1 Ignore this thread, it brings nothign to the table but QQ. Edited September 1, 2015 by silence5 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Userext Beta Tester 5,342 posts 2,957 battles Report post #4 Posted September 1, 2015 Ignore this thread, it brings nothign to the table but QQ. BBs received a lot of buffs after QQ threads though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Interdiction Beta Tester 274 posts 13,524 battles Report post #5 Posted September 1, 2015 And here ladies and gentlemen we have a prime example of bad players who don't understand the game. Wanna know his stats? 1000+ battles 46% WL ratio Average damage of 28k average tier 5.3 Kd ratio of 1 Ignore this thread, it brings nothign to the table but QQ. Stats you say .....To have good stats you have to hide behind your team .....Do you have good stats ? Mine are terrible but I throw myself into the game I do not hide behind others Stats .....Do not a good player make ... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NBS] silence5 Privateer 268 posts 10,540 battles Report post #6 Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Stats you say .....To have good stats you have to hide behind your team .....Do you have good stats ? Mine are terrible but I throw myself into the game I do not hide behind others Stats .....Do not a good player make ... Stats are a fairly good indication of the players understanding of the game. "Mine are terrible but I throw myself into the game I do not hide behind others" ... As do good players... but they understand when its time to fall back and not take unneceseary damage, to keep the guns singing... Thats what wins you games. And frankly my dear, you arent on the winning side. Edited September 1, 2015 by silence5 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Userext Beta Tester 5,342 posts 2,957 battles Report post #7 Posted September 1, 2015 "Mine are terrible but I throw myself into the game I do not hide behind others" ... As do good players... but they understand when its time to fall back and not take unneceseary damage, to keep the guns singing... Thats what wins you games. And frankly my dear, you arent on the winning side. OR you can play CVs and throw bs at other people Stats arent important here guys. If someone plays a UP line without having information about how to play more effective he will not play good. Everyone out there screams DDs are UP. But when it comes to a bad player who thinks DDs are UP its an l2p issue? come on.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] OldGrandad Supertester 3,404 posts 35,711 battles Report post #8 Posted September 1, 2015 @OP - 4 years? Dang, alcohol has taken a few years from me then........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAI] Nagine Beta Tester 680 posts 3,140 battles Report post #9 Posted September 2, 2015 I just figured this out - cruisers are far more effective at torpedo attacks than the destroyers. Give it a try - Myoko vs Hatsuharu. Add the extra life, AA and firepower - there you go - cruisers are far more efficient. They have almost the same speed, same torpedoes, same torpedo count. Yes - bad angle of launch, slight maneuverability difference and detection range, but with all these planes flying around who cares about detection range. And all premium ships can avoid all torpedoes with ease ... because the huuuuuge battleship is almost as maneuverable as you. Dodging - no problemo. Nobody plays destroyers, because they suck. At higher levels they suck even more. Wargaming, FIX. THE. FREAKING. GAME! It has been 4 years!!! Pff, why play CADD when you can play BBDD! Tirpitz is an epitome of a mutated US DD - fast, has torps, but relies on guns. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OV] Ukio Players 132 posts 14,777 battles Report post #10 Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) To all "stats-naciz" - I do not have premium account and ships. My stats show, that I am just the average player. One more thing 46% wins, 7.5% DRAW, 46.5% loses And another - in team with 10 halfwits, or perfectly Match-maked with everybody 2LVLs higher then you all the time - this is the result. Can you show me stats of a really good player (that plays alone, primarily destroyers, with no premiums)? I really want to see one, who has >55% win ratio. Not the freaking Tirpitz, not 0-range-drop CV. Destroyers at high level! Queue length and player picks shows it perfectly - destroyers suck. This is the common opinion of the mass player. Go argue with numbers. Currently I score much more torpedo hits with Myoko than with the Hatsuharu ... and this is ridiculous. Edited September 2, 2015 by Ukio 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OV] Ukio Players 132 posts 14,777 battles Report post #11 Posted September 2, 2015 @OP - 4 years? Dang, alcohol has taken a few years from me then........ On August 16, 2011, the company website of Wargaming.net, developer and publisher of World of Tanks and World of Warplanes, announced World of Battleships 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,195 battles Report post #12 Posted September 2, 2015 There is always that one guy, with low self esteem, who will go and insult other player by throwing "your-stats-are-worse-than-mine-card", just to feel better about himself. Don't be that guy. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 6,377 posts 36,662 battles Report post #13 Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) There are players with +70% winrate. Are they really that good? No, they just play 3-man high tier divisions, including one CV, and just go clubbing. Let s hope the MM changes will not allow that anymore. Edited September 2, 2015 by 22cm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrazyC Players 51 posts 566 battles Report post #14 Posted September 2, 2015 I'm terrible at this game but I enjoy the graphics !! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BalokuShaun Players 15 posts 2,932 battles Report post #15 Posted September 2, 2015 I like crusier when they play like DD : Citadels boom sink ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,195 battles Report post #16 Posted September 2, 2015 There are players with +70% winrate. Are they really that good? No, they just play 3-man high tier divisions, including one CV, and just go clubbing. Let s hope the MM changes will not allow that anymore. I believe that ranked battles were created to give better view on individual stats and results. Specially designed for people, who enjoy playing solo, rather than divisions. I for example rarely division with my friends, just because most of the times I want to play just one or two games, and creating division for just few games, is not very ideal. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DUDS] Crooq_Lionfang Beta Tester 1,999 posts 6,434 battles Report post #17 Posted September 2, 2015 And here ladies and gentlemen we have a prime example of bad players who don't understand the game. Wanna know his stats? 1000+ battles 46% WL ratio Average damage of 28k average tier 5.3 Kd ratio of 1 Ignore this thread, it brings nothign to the table but QQ. Which are perfectly adequate stats for the most part. 46% win rate isn't great, but considering the high amount of draws it's about even between battles won and lost. Average damage of 28k sounds bad at first sight. It certainly isn't great, but to a large degree some types of ships to a lot more average damage than others. If the OP plays mainly destroyers and keeps away from carriers and BBs the average damage is about average, which is perfectly fine. KD ratio of 1 also screams average to me, nothing wrong with that. Bad would be around 0.7, terribad everything below 0.5. Stats can tell a lot, but only if you consider the whole spectrum and don't loose sight of what is actually bad, what is good and where the average player stands. Which doesn't change the fact that the OPs point of CAs being the better DDs is utter bullcrap, but that's a different matter. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TB-PF] GunnyL Beta Tester 77 posts 2,943 battles Report post #18 Posted September 2, 2015 Playing Tier 6-8 last night, you now only see a few DD's on the list like 2-3 sometimes none at all, everyone are playing CR, BB and CV's (for good reasons!!) DD's suck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OV] Ukio Players 132 posts 14,777 battles Report post #19 Posted September 2, 2015 And another downside - which is a huge one. You cannot FARM with destroyers. You can farm with any other type of ship (more or less), but it is almost impossible to be on the + playing a destroyer. When my tiny Lvl7 Hatsuharu dies, I am loosing ~55K in repair and ~12K for torpedoes = ~ minus 65K My average win with a destroyer is ~90K. The loss is ~minus 10K. Rough calculation shows, that at this rate (if I am idiot enough to play DD only), I will need 500 games to farm for the next level DD. Thank you, come again, neeeeext. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iron_Gekko Beta Tester 497 posts 8,762 battles Report post #20 Posted September 2, 2015 And here ladies and gentlemen we have a prime example of bad players who don't understand the game. Wanna know his stats? 1000+ battles 46% WL ratio Average damage of 28k average tier 5.3 Kd ratio of 1 Ignore this thread, it brings nothign to the table but QQ. No need to be a [edited] about it, think positive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[F_D] Adwaenyth Alpha Tester 1,194 posts 6,218 battles Report post #21 Posted September 2, 2015 And another - in team with 10 halfwits, or perfectly Match-maked with everybody 2LVLs higher then you all the time - this is the result. Yeah right. It's always the teams fault... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAZI] allufewig Beta Tester 2,912 posts 15,294 battles Report post #22 Posted September 2, 2015 Stats you say .....To have good stats you have to hide behind your team .....Do you have good stats ? Mine are terrible but I throw myself into the game I do not hide behind others Stats .....Do not a good player make ... The more enemies you kill, the more damage you do, the more you win the worse you actually are. Twisted logic best logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TLN] Eisenengel Beta Tester 79 posts 1,476 battles Report post #23 Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) The OP has a certain point: Destroyers cannot get in to guaranteed torpedo hit range the same way an (IJN) cruiser can. Last game with an Aoba I sunk two battleships by getting to point blank range and torpedo them; doing the same with a destroyer and the secondaries (or main batteries) will kill you. I don't think it's all the truth - US DD's are better at the 'YOLO attack', and a cruiser doing that is asking to get wrecked by main guns. But then: Does it really matter? If the cruisers were supposed to be terribad at torpedoes, they wouldn't have them - instead they have very, very good torpedoes. Destroyers' unique thing isn't torpedoes, but stealth. Edited September 2, 2015 by Eisenengel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAIFU] Karaya1 Beta Tester 211 posts 9,178 battles Report post #24 Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) There are players with +70% winrate. Are they really that good? No, they just play 3-man high tier divisions, including one CV, and just go clubbing. Let s hope the MM changes will not allow that anymore. Why do you hate divisions so much ? Edited September 2, 2015 by Karaya1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[F_D] Adwaenyth Alpha Tester 1,194 posts 6,218 battles Report post #25 Posted September 2, 2015 Why do you hate divisions so much ? Maybe he doesn't find people willing to join one with him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
