Really, this is a very simple game......

[T3ddyBear]

Okay, so it's been one of those days, we all have them, cannot buy a win no matter what you do... 20 odd games today and 4 wins I think....

 

So, in an effort to get some semblance of "team play" there are some very simple things I think we should remember. I am not an expert, I am not a unicorn but after playing games today where I was torped by my own team, left alone to defend our cap (too many times to count) whilst the rest of the team go walkabout then there are some basics I feel we should all agree on.

 

DD's;

 

1. Know the distance of your torps, extremely important this, no point firing at targets 10km away with torps that have 5km range, simple.

2. Remember your spotting distance, LOVE this number it is your life, why on earth IJN DD's get killed in the first 2 minutes is beyond me, you have great concealment, USE it, simple.

3. DO NOT fire your torps if there is a friendly ship crossing in front of you, use your brain, we all have one, regardless of some players protestations, simple.

4. DO NOT rush the caps in the first 2 mins, it takes a long time to cap, you CANNOT win a game in the first 2 minutes but you can surely LOSE it by being a lemming, simple.

 

CA's;

 

1. Play with the team, don't go off on your own, you are not Chuck Norris, you cannot take on ALL the enemy on your own, simple.

2. Cover your CV's and BB's with AA at the start of the game, or position your self in the flight path if you see enemy formations going for the BB's/CV's, simple.

3. Cover your DD's, they are your eyes, if you lose them to enemy cruiser fire then you're going to play hokey-kokey with the enemy DD's for the rest of the match, simple.

4. Focus fire, if there are 3 ships in front of you, ALL fire at the same one, removing ships (therefor guns) from the game is a good thing, so many times I see 3 ships all firing at different targets whilst one of them gets pummeled by the enemy, it's enough to make a grown man weep, simple.

 

BB's;

 

1. NEVER, EVER, go off alone, you're a huge floating pinata for the enemy CV, you may as well stick your scuba gear on early as you are going to the bottom, why do BB's consistently go off on their own, one of life's mysteries I guess, simple.

2. Look at the route you are taking, it's not your job to kill the enemy CV or cap, leave that to the faster more agile ships, too many times the BB's are on the wrong side of the map to do anything, it's painful, you have big guns, get in range, STAY in range and remember we have a cap too, so defend it, simple.

3. Focus fire, exactly as for the cruisers, shoot the same target, it really helps, honestly, it really does, simple.

4. Support your cruisers, when they go all "Chuck Norris" they will need your help, so be helpful, sitting at the back may well keep you out of danger but you're also out of the fight, simple.

 

CV's;

 

1. Please, if there are 2 of you in a game, stay together, do you have any idea how hard it is for cruisers AA to cover you when you're 10km apart!! simple.

2. If you are the only one in a game, for the love of god use your fighters (if you have them) as scouts, they have infinite fuel (don't get me started on that one) so get them out there looking for the enemy.

3. Please stay with the fleet, close support is far better than having to get your planes to fly ALL the way across a map to reload, less distance means more attacks, means more damage, so stop beaching yourselves behind islands, you have any idea how easy it is to torp a stationary target... (scrap that last comment, carry on with that tactic, many xp and damage for my DD's then ;-) ), simple.

 

Finally, and this is a question for WG;

 

How on earth are we supposed to co-ordinate a team when everyone is speaking a different language?

 

I know I'm an ignorant Brit and I cannot speak; German, Polish, French, Dutch, Spanish, Italian et al. If this game is to be a success then we need language servers, I have no idea what people are saying or asking for, I'm assuming they are asking questions as "?" is at the end of a sentence but it may as well be asking me if I'd like a cuppa. We cannot force people to speak English, especially if it's not their first language but there has to be a better way, surely?

 

Anyhoo, bad day, a little steam let off, take a break for a couple of days and try and get that whole percentage point  lost today, whilst improving my average xp and average damage.... the 3 do not seem proportional, but then I'm sure there will be plenty of people out there to tell me, it's all my fault, I'm the spanner, so off you go, fill your boots.

 

Harrier.

 

[Userext]

I know I'm an ignorant Brit and I cannot speak; German, Polish, French, Dutch, Spanish, Italian et al. If this game is to be a success then we need language servers, I have no idea what people are saying or asking for, I'm assuming they are asking questions as "?" is at the end of a sentence but it may as well be asking me if I'd like a cuppa. We cannot force people to speak English, especially if it's not their first language but there has to be a better way, surely?

 

WG hasnt added platoon chat so we are going to see a lot of them. But they should answer to you about game. They are probably talking to eachother more than talking about teh battle

 

 

Nice post but be prepared for a flame war. There are trolls out there.

[Blue_Bug]

Excelent post OP. In my opinion it should be pinned.

 

I don't see seperate language servers come to WoWs. It might be a good idea that WG implement the same short communication system as in WoT. In there short communication sentences are automatically translated to everybody's client language. Commands like :

- Please focus fire at ...... (Mouse pointer)

- Please asist me at ...... (Mouse pointer)

- Please be carefull, enemy DD in the Neigbourhood

- Please watch out

etc etc

 

This might help to get some more teamplay.

[SBS]

Excelent post OP. In my opinion it should be pinned.

 

I don't see seperate language servers come to WoWs. It might be a good idea that WG implement the same short communication system as in WoT. In there short communication sentences are automatically translated to everybody's client language. Commands like :

- Please focus fire at ...... (Mouse pointer)

- Please asist me at ...... (Mouse pointer)

- Please be carefull, enemy DD in the Neigbourhood

- Please watch out

etc etc

 

This might help to get some more teamplay.

 

Something like this would be usefull. If you could hover the mouse over an ally and then get a command wheel like in WoT that you can then use to tell them to fall back, help push forward, watch out for DD, tell them enemy/friendly torps are incoming would be very usefull. Especially if it was translated in to different languages. Might not allways help, but every bit does.

[Nagine]

DD's;

 

 

4. DO NOT rush the caps in the first 2 mins, it takes a long time to cap, you CANNOT win a game in the first 2 minutes but you can surely LOSE it by being a lemming, simple.

 

 

Good pointers. Just a small, but important correction. Cap strategy depends on map. If it is domination map (the one with several letter marked cap zones), DDs should use their speed and rush to cap safe or neutral zones as quickly as possible. The idea is to get those points flowing as early as possible. Of course, disengage if enemy CAs detect you and start firing.

[Venatacia]

Okay, so it's been one of those days, we all have them, cannot buy a win no matter what you do... 20 odd games today and 4 wins I think....

 

So, in an effort to get some semblance of "team play" there are some very simple things I think we should remember. I am not an expert, I am not a unicorn but after playing games today where I was torped by my own team, left alone to defend our cap (too many times to count) whilst the rest of the team go walkabout then there are some basics I feel we should all agree on.

 

DD's;

 

1. Know the distance of your torps, extremely important this, no point firing at targets 10km away with torps that have 5km range, simple.

2. Remember your spotting distance, LOVE this number it is your life, why on earth IJN DD's get killed in the first 2 minutes is beyond me, you have great concealment, USE it, simple.

3. DO NOT fire your torps if there is a friendly ship crossing in front of you, use your brain, we all have one, regardless of some players protestations, simple.

4. DO NOT rush the caps in the first 2 mins, it takes a long time to cap, you CANNOT win a game in the first 2 minutes but you can surely LOSE it by being a lemming, simple.

 

CA's;

 

1. Play with the team, don't go off on your own, you are not Chuck Norris, you cannot take on ALL the enemy on your own, simple.

2. Cover your CV's and BB's with AA at the start of the game, or position your self in the flight path if you see enemy formations going for the BB's/CV's, simple.

3. Cover your DD's, they are your eyes, if you lose them to enemy cruiser fire then you're going to play hokey-kokey with the enemy DD's for the rest of the match, simple.

4. Focus fire, if there are 3 ships in front of you, ALL fire at the same one, removing ships (therefor guns) from the game is a good thing, so many times I see 3 ships all firing at different targets whilst one of them gets pummeled by the enemy, it's enough to make a grown man weep, simple.

 

BB's;

 

1. NEVER, EVER, go off alone, you're a huge floating pinata for the enemy CV, you may as well stick your scuba gear on early as you are going to the bottom, why do BB's consistently go off on their own, one of life's mysteries I guess, simple.

2. Look at the route you are taking, it's not your job to kill the enemy CV or cap, leave that to the faster more agile ships, too many times the BB's are on the wrong side of the map to do anything, it's painful, you have big guns, get in range, STAY in range and remember we have a cap too, so defend it, simple.

3. Focus fire, exactly as for the cruisers, shoot the same target, it really helps, honestly, it really does, simple.

4. Support your cruisers, when they go all "Chuck Norris" they will need your help, so be helpful, sitting at the back may well keep you out of danger but you're also out of the fight, simple.

 

CV's;

 

1. Please, if there are 2 of you in a game, stay together, do you have any idea how hard it is for cruisers AA to cover you when you're 10km apart!! simple.

2. If you are the only one in a game, for the love of god use your fighters (if you have them) as scouts, they have infinite fuel (don't get me started on that one) so get them out there looking for the enemy.

3. Please stay with the fleet, close support is far better than having to get your planes to fly ALL the way across a map to reload, less distance means more attacks, means more damage, so stop beaching yourselves behind islands, you have any idea how easy it is to torp a stationary target... (scrap that last comment, carry on with that tactic, many xp and damage for my DD's then ;-) ), simple.

 

Finally, and this is a question for WG;

 

How on earth are we supposed to co-ordinate a team when everyone is speaking a different language?

 

I know I'm an ignorant Brit and I cannot speak; German, Polish, French, Dutch, Spanish, Italian et al. If this game is to be a success then we need language servers, I have no idea what people are saying or asking for, I'm assuming they are asking questions as "?" is at the end of a sentence but it may as well be asking me if I'd like a cuppa. We cannot force people to speak English, especially if it's not their first language but there has to be a better way, surely?

 

Anyhoo, bad day, a little steam let off, take a break for a couple of days and try and get that whole percentage point  lost today, whilst improving my average xp and average damage.... the 3 do not seem proportional, but then I'm sure there will be plenty of people out there to tell me, it's all my fault, I'm the spanner, so off you go, fill your boots.

 

Harrier.

 

 

Think you just described my last battle to a T, not to mention previous battles. If it helps you any OP, my day has been exactly the same. For the first time since CBT I felt like WoW was WoT with battles you know you have lost before they start. I tried, really did but battles today have been steamrolls just like in WoT.

 

I think everyone is noticing the lingo barrier now. There are things we can do to change that, as people have mentioned in other closed topics but the notion of it will be dismissed by WG. So as normal, don't even bother.

It's ok to let off steam.. we are with you. Good post by the way.

[Tiguurrr]

 

 

BB's;

 

1. NEVER, EVER, go off alone, you're a huge floating pinata for the enemy CV, you may as well stick your scuba gear on early as you are going to the bottom, why do BB's consistently go off on their own, one of life's mysteries I guess, simple.

2. Look at the route you are taking, it's not your job to kill the enemy CV or cap, leave that to the faster more agile ships, too many times the BB's are on the wrong side of the map to do anything, it's painful, you have big guns, get in range, STAY in range and remember we have a cap too, so defend it, simple.

3. Focus fire, exactly as for the cruisers, shoot the same target, it really helps, honestly, it really does, simple.

4. Support your cruisers, when they go all "Chuck Norris" they will need your help, so be helpful, sitting at the back may well keep you out of danger but you're also out of the fight, simple.

 

I usually tend to end up alone because I bombard stuff from afar with others when suddenly, they all just turn tail and run the other way. It's like "Oh, ah, a spider!"

Other times I tend to end up alone is that I take the charge and expect the others to join me when they decide "[edited]that, you're on your own."

 

 

[yabuszko]

Pin this post and force everyone somehow to read it before they log in to battle.

[xPraetoriaNx]

Well, about the language thing, there are 3 options.

 

1) The current state, which is chaos. People not speaking English at all, or THINKING they do, so they unleash some incomprehensible pile of letters on you.

2) Language servers, but those would require extra effort from WG, and it would "kill" smaller countries' playerbase. At the time of me writing this post, there are 27143 players online. How many do you think are from <insert random small European country, there are quite a lot of them>? Not much, some nations' players would end up with a community big like, 200 players in total.

3) "Force English on people". Well I think in 2015, requiring people to speak English could be a standard, especially within Europe... And I'm saying this as someone who is NOT an Englishman. I'm not a genius, my IQ is not the double of the world's average, I'm not even rich (nor do I come from a rich country) yet I "managed" to learn proper English, why can't everyone else?

 

Problem is, none of them is viable. As we currently see option 1) is utter shaite, option 2) would ruin the game for many people, and while option 3) would be ideal, it can't be implemented, because, well, "we have to be accepting and liberal".

[DumbleDerp]

Excelent post OP. In my opinion it should be pinned.

 

 

This, please pin this here and on the newcomers board.

[triumphgt6]

Excellent op - agree with all of it! Could do with 2 mins before game starts to agree tactics - but at present would not work!

 

[Woel]

BB's;

 

1. NEVER, EVER, go off alone, you're a huge floating pinata for the enemy CV, you may as well stick your scuba gear on early as you are going to the bottom, why do BB's consistently go off on their own, one of life's mysteries I guess, simple.

2. Look at the route you are taking, it's not your job to kill the enemy CV or cap, leave that to the faster more agile ships, too many times the BB's are on the wrong side of the map to do anything, it's painful, you have big guns, get in range, STAY in range and remember we have a cap too, so defend it, simple.

3. Focus fire, exactly as for the cruisers, shoot the same target, it really helps, honestly, it really does, simple.

4. Support your cruisers, when they go all "Chuck Norris" they will need your help, so be helpful, sitting at the back may well keep you out of danger but you're also out of the fight, simple.

I disagree about not being a BB's job to cap. If you're there, you might as well - anything that helps you to win.

Also about focus fire - often when it isn't a sure kill, you're better off doing damage to anything broadsided. Focus fire is all nice and sweet, but if you can do multiple citadel salvos on a broadsiding ship, you should most likely shoot that instead of an angled one, even if it's focused by other team mates. 

[HugoDantes]

+1 great post

 

If I may ad 1 more thing:

As a BB dont go around the mountains on the domination map with A_B_C_D cap points in the streight line. I have seen so many times lonly BBs or even 2 going around the mountains and thinking about flanking the enamy just to run into a DD that kills them. And even if you dont run into enamy ship you wil be cut out of the game for a long time and not able to support the team.

[Maizel]

I [edited]hate it when all I see in chat is some gibberish language, And when I inform those people (as a non native speaker myself) politely that talking English might be beneficial to the team, I get reactions like: ' Fux u stoopid American, English sucks you [edited] I do your mother on weekday evenings'

 

Separate language servers would not work, though.  I would hate to be one of the 25 Albanian players, for example, 

 

[Hesp]

We cannot force people to speak English.

 

Why not? In a public chat is due to speak an international language.

[Userext]

We cannot force people to speak English.

 

Why not? In a public chat is due to speak an international language.

 

If they add division chat the amount of diffrent langauge peope speak will go down. You cant force it on people.

[Hibasnev]

great post, I just want to add one more thing. make sure to hit your shots. I've been watching streamers nonstop for the past few days, they're making tons of XP/credits and win most of them. they usually ignore their team because supporting potentially bad players will just make you lose the game so instead they charge ahead in cruisers and battleships and blast away the enemy by following the golden rule of WoWs: hit your shots=60% win ratio

[Hesp]

 

If they add division chat the amount of diffrent langauge peope speak will go down. You cant force it on people.

 

Why not? In a public chat is due to speak an international language.

[Userext]

 

Why not? In a public chat is due to speak an international language.

 

That is against laws. You cant force people to speak a language in game.

[Woel]

 

Why not? In a public chat is due to speak an international language.

 

Because division chat simply doesn't exist. They don't have an alternative for people in divisions to communicate - except for third party software - unless using public chat.

[Hesp]

 

That is against laws. You cant force people to speak a language in game.

 

Oh yeah. It can.

Other games do and it works.

 

 

Because division chat simply doesn't exist. They don't have an alternative for people in divisions to communicate - except for third party software - unless using public chat.

I get it. But I bet he will continue talking in other idiots in the public chat.

[Userext]

 

Oh yeah. It can.

Other games do and it works.

 

what other games do that? There is no game out there that can force a language. It is against human rights law or some .... 

[Hesp]

 

what other games do that? There is no game out there that can force a language. It is against human rights law or some .... 

 

Many MMORPG has in the global chat to English. Naturally.

[Userext]

 

Many MMORPG has in the global chat to English. Naturally.

 

thats global chat. Global chat in wot and wows requires only english(if its an english channel) Non of them will mess with you in game. Think about CSGO. They would already force english if they could wouldnt they?

[Hesp]

 

Think about CSGO. They would already force english if they could wouldnt they?

 

As decided by the server administrator. Obviously.

 

The chat during games I consider it international so must speak a language that everyone understands. Right or left are things that everyone understands. I do not think we get to agree, so desist.

 

Buenas noches!