[SHEN] Gaso_ Moderator, Privateer 6,412 posts 6,466 battles Report post #26 Posted August 31, 2015 Whenever linking to a website or image or posting a image, be sure to check that they don't violate any of the rules above. Sites or images that display illegal content, pornography, nudity, gratuitous violence, Nazi symbols such as swastikas, obscenities and any other content that goes against the standards of this community will be moderated. "Rising sun" flag of Japanese Navy is allowed only in historical context - if a ship on a historical photo is flying it, for example - but not allowed as an avatar or with provocative/propaganda intent. In addition to the above we also request you not post ASCII art (pictures created by using letters and symbols on a keyboard) they are usually quite large and can be misinterpreted based on display issues.The size of files and images referred may not exceed 100 kilobytes (kb). http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/forum-120/announcement-3-world-of-warships-forum-rules/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[F_D] Adwaenyth Alpha Tester 1,194 posts 6,192 battles Report post #27 Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) I lived in not so similar situation to chinese and others. I think its a normal thing for them to ask everyone forgetting about it. The best thing they can do against their enemy is to make history forget about them. You swinging a flag around that reminds the things in ww2 because of "historical accuracy" is not a nice thing. I wouldnt mind seeing such thing. But flags arent just colours and decorations. They are symbols. When you see a white skull on black flag you know its a pirate ship. When teh flag is completly white you know they surrender. Its like sign language. Their hate towards those people passed on to their flag. I am not swinging a swastika flag around (it would actually be illegal here). I'm just saying that the ships were flying these flags. There is nothing wrong with showing or saying that, as long as you put it in the proper historical context and do not glorify what happened there. While it might sound a little unethical, in a hundred years the atrocities commited while flying these flags will all be distant memories of darker times, just like the inquisition, the crusades or the mongolian raids are now. With times things like this will change. You can't blame people of today for the things of the past - you can only blame them if they glorify it. Unless that happens, it is simply something about historical accuracy - not forgetting what happend is the only way future generations will be able to learn from that. However it must put in the right context. Btw. the pirate flags are a bad example as they usually are something fun now. Real pirates don't use them today (if they ever really did) and most pirate flags nowadays are rather related to entertainment and seen a lot more romantical than the real pirates were. Edited August 31, 2015 by Adwaenyth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,908 battles Report post #28 Posted August 31, 2015 this is a world wide comapny. They cant let one side become racist because the other side would get hurt Which is funny because in some countries, the flag of Soviet Russia is banned, too. In many countries, the swastika flag of Nazi Germany is actually not legally banned. Depending on how far back you go in history, you'll find all kinds of atrocities by all kinds of countries, so in the end, everybody might object to any flag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Userext Beta Tester 5,342 posts 2,957 battles Report post #29 Posted August 31, 2015 Which is funny because in some countries, the flag of Soviet Russia is banned, too. In many countries, the swastika flag of Nazi Germany is actually not legally banned. Depending on how far back you go in history, you'll find all kinds of atrocities by all kinds of countries, so in the end, everybody might object to any flag. Well there is a diffrence between 2-3 bilion hating a flag and 100 people hating a flag.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Userext Beta Tester 5,342 posts 2,957 battles Report post #30 Posted August 31, 2015 Btw. the pirate flags are a bad example as they usually are something fun now. Real pirates don't use them today (if they ever really did) and most pirate flags nowadays are rather related to entertainment and seen a lot more romantical than the real pirates were. Thats mostly because history showing it wrong to people. This is what those people fear. The trauma they had isnt forgetable. Do you think a women who was raped by pirates in 1700 would like seeing pirate flags around? Pirates werent good people. But look at what our world done to them. People dressing up as pirates and making movies about them where they arent bad pirates. Was there a good pirate? Highly unlikely. They used to make movies about mafia in my country. Old movies. Where the mafia members would talk better than the reporters. A comedian mocked with them. "How will kids know these people are bad if they talk better than an average person?" . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[F_D] Adwaenyth Alpha Tester 1,194 posts 6,192 battles Report post #31 Posted August 31, 2015 How can you hate a flag? That would be utterly stupid. You can only hate what that flag stands for - and I guess most people that have actual reason to hate those flags are by now dead or 80 years and older. The others should actually think about what they do before mindlessly hate something. Hate only begets hate and so they should rather think about how they could avoid things like that in the future - I guess the best way for that is showing how people allowed these things to happen, so that we may not make those mistakes again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Userext Beta Tester 5,342 posts 2,957 battles Report post #32 Posted August 31, 2015 How can you hate a flag? That would be utterly stupid. You can only hate what that flag stands for - and I guess most people that have actual reason to hate those flags are by now dead or 80 years and older. The others should actually think about what they do before mindlessly hate something. Hate only begets hate and so they should rather think about how they could avoid things like that in the future - I guess the best way for that is showing how people allowed these things to happen, so that we may not make those mistakes again. How cant you hate a flag? People do bad stuff under a name, under a symbol, under a flag. Protecting that flag means you are protecting their words. Even if you dont want to. They just want those stuff to be dust in wind not reminded every other day. You werent there, your grandparents werent there. We dont know how bad time they had with it. If you say i like hitler out there people will punch you to death. They saw their friend's family's throat cut open in front of their eyes without being able to do something. Tell me how would you feel if a war broke out in the place you live and you saw the ones you loved get killed by torture. I am a tough guy myself but i developed empathy towards what might be feeling. You cant get over your loved one's death if you keep staring at her/his body can you? Could you stare at the face of her/his killer? Japan didnt commit crime only in ww2. From 1890s until 1945. If you show a terrorist flag at america people will kick you in the face. We see the pirates in entertainment sectors. But would a guy his family killed by pirates in front of his face would like that? Physcology can be many things but certain. You can turn the most sane person into a physco. Using flags and such for school isnt bad but using them for entertainment is bad. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TFUK] Dee_82 Players 166 posts 5,485 battles Report post #33 Posted January 22, 2016 Thank you avoid posting images containing the rising sun, there are strict conditions of the pavilion on the forum see below http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/forum-120/announcement-3-world-of-warships-forum-rules/ I know this is a bit of a bump but I couldn't help myself, these flags on the ships, we shouldn't be hiding them, Both German and Japanese ships have just as much right to have their ships accurately represented as the rest of us. Let me explain, history isn't just a representation of facts from the Victors perspective, Yes, they did some truly horrific things but Between the US and the UK we annihilated whole cities, executed soldiers without trial, the Russians did some terrible things not only as they pushed through Germany but to their own people as they retreated in the early stages. War is war, no one is truly innocent and all sides did terrible things. Making historical facts different to make people feel better is the first step in allowing such terrible things to happen again. Displaying the correct flags on ships is not idolising them, but I agree that with avatars and what not, it isn't really tasteful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Kenjiro_ [THESO] Players 991 posts 12,433 battles Report post #34 Posted January 22, 2016 I think the number of people who hate Hammer&Sickle is no less than the ones who hate Rising Sun. Double standard is not good. Either ban both or allow both... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whooshbang Players 1 post Report post #35 Posted October 2, 2016 I know I know. But try to explain that to the WG staff here. You will end like my signature. Well it better not be forbidden, because it's also on the shoulder of every Australian serviceman & woman!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
