Is MM going to mess with good players AGAIN?!?

[Elgerino]

I can even give a better example on why this MM rigging isn't in place, you can take a ship that is obviously over performing in the current game like the Minekaze or any IJn CV up to tier 7 and with a bit of skill your average winrate during the day would be around 60%, if you keep this up during all days it would still be at 60% because the ships are simply OP.

On the other hand you could go out and hurt your winrate by taking out an obvious under performer in the game like a higher tier IJN or US DD (let's say tier 6 Mutsuki and tier 6 Farragut) and I would be very, very surprised if you even made it over the 51% win rate during the day.

 

Given those two extremes, any MM rigging is a fail before it even starts, I rest my case.

 

Exactly. Clearer and more concise than I managed, perhaps I'm a bit too wordy. 

[Naskoni]

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[Elgerino]

 I have to repeat myself in every post regarding your stats?

 

I dunno. How many times do you want to lose this particular pissing contest? I'm happy to oblige. 

 

Your win-rate in the thread so far makes your stats look positively godlike. 

[Naskoni]

 

Can you post the exact line/s you are referring to? It's quite hard to prove a point by not pointing at the 'facts' you are talking about.

 

 

I have already done so, in previous threads, that looked precisely as this one does. As to why not waste my time to do the same for this idiot - he already stated that everything in the patent is irrelevant since just because it was patented doesn't mean it was implemented as well. If you could be bothered to read it yourself, you'd find what this is all about - if you can't be bothered, why should I be...?

[Broevaharo]

 

I dunno. How many times do you want to lose this particular pissing contest? I'm happy to oblige. 

 

 

Lol you just made my day, big thumbs up for this one 

[Elgerino]

If I patent human wings, do I therefore grow wings?

[Naskoni]

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[Broevaharo]

I can even give a better example on why this MM rigging isn't in place, you can take a ship that is obviously over performing in the current game like the Minekaze or any IJn CV up to tier 7 and with a bit of skill your average winrate during the day would be around 60%, if you keep this up during all days it would still be at 60% because the ships are simply OP.

On the other hand you could go out and hurt your winrate by taking out an obvious under performer in the game like a higher tier IJN or US DD (let's say tier 6 Mutsuki and tier 6 Farragut) and I would be very, very surprised if you even made it over the 51% win rate during the day.

 

Given those two extremes, any MM rigging is a fail before it even starts, I rest my case.

 

And yet mstr Tin foil hat Naskoni you haven't debunked this one, most likely because you simply can't but give it a try anyway, I want to have a good laugh before I start the game 

[Elgerino]

He definitely can't. I believe the technical term for his current intellectual position is ''Full of crap.''

[mr_armpit]

I think Naskoni has a brainfart fetish. It seems to be his goto word.

 

[Naskoni]

 

And yet mstr Tin foil hat Naskoni you haven't debunked this one, most likely because you simply can't but give it a try anyway, I want to have a good laugh before I start the game 

 

 

Which part exactly - the brainfart part where you seem to imply that playing during the day results in a better winrate? Moon cycles improve it too? Guess I missed the part in the patent where WG measures moon cycles to alter the MM... Need I even coment on how retarded that makes you look, not to mention "debunk" it in any way?

 

 

As for the MM rigging - just like the rest of the troll idiots here - had you read the patent you'd see that the MM is actively rigged for or against you only if you are outside whatever predefined "comfort" zone WG decided is acceptable. You'd have to do "too well" for it to kick in.

 

 

Any other brainfart questions, clueless one?

[Naskoni]

I think Naskoni has a brainfart fetish. It seems to be his goto word.

 

 

Given the user name you chose for yourself I'd say one can do a LOT worse than use "brainfart" as a word too often. In your case it would apply to your name just swell though given the obvious reference to foul smell and apparent stupidity...

[Broevaharo]

 

 

Which part exactly - the brainfart part where you seem to imply that playing during the day results in a better winrate? Moon cycles improve it too? Guess I missed the part in the patent where WG measures moon cycles to alter the MM... Need I even coment on how retarded that makes you look, not to mention "debunk" it in any way?

 

 

As for the MM rigging - just like the rest of the troll idiots here - had you read the patent you'd see that the MM is actively rigged for or against you only if you are outside whatever predefined "comfort" zone WG decided is acceptable. You'd have to do "too well" for it to kick in.

 

 

Any other brainfart questions, clueless one?

 

Damn the moon cycles must have favoured me big time then during my 2127 games 

But thanks for obliging, you made me laugh and now I go play the game, let's see how favourable the moon cycles are today

[Elgerino]

 

I love how this is the case the whiners choose to believe what WG says word for word, even when it's obvious such a MM system wouldn't work as intended in this game. 

 

Just because you've claimed ownership of the concept, doesn't mean the concept works. Matchmaking is not an exact science and any statistic taken on it's lonesome is arbitrary. The system is effectively random, in any case. Even the coming ranked match system arbitrarily ranks up players based on win streaks, which happen often through chance alone. You're gonna see donkey's galore at the top bracket. Accept it, the world isn't out to get you and steel beams can be weakened enough by jet fuel to cause a collapse through thermal expansion and structural weakness. 

 

[willTell]

...- had you read the patent you'd see that the MM is actively rigged for or against you only if you are outside whatever predefined "comfort" zone WG decided is acceptable. Y

 

Provide those lines, please.

[Naskoni]

I love how this is the case the whiners choose to believe what WG says word for word, even when it's obvious such a MM system wouldn't work as intended in this game.

 

Just because you've claimed ownership of the concept, doesn't mean the concept works. Matchmaking is not an exact science and any statistic taken on it's lonesome is arbitrary. The system is effectively random, in any case. Even the coming ranked match system arbitrarily ranks up players based on win streaks, which happen often through chance alone. You're gonna see donkey's galore at the top bracket. Accept it, the world isn't out to get you and steel beams can be weakened enough by jet fuel to cause a collapse through thermal expansion and structural weakness.

 

 

I love how clueless, skillless and insecure noobs deny anything and everything regardless of how unambiguous the proof is, simply because it doesn't suit them.

 

 

As for stupid whiners believing WG solely on its word - that would be you, brainfart idiot:

 

 

 

 

The official version of WG is that the MM is completely random.

 

 

And the best part is - morons that are so willingly ready to go into deep denial, such as you, change absolutely nothing. The patent will not suddenly cease to exist because you don't believe in it. And since it doesn't get any better in terms of objectively proving that the MM is, and has always been, rigged it is pointless to waste time with trolls like you - which is why I no longer do so. Those that actually have a functioning brain and can comprehend written English can read it up for themselves - the rest can continue deluding themselves with whatever fairytales suit them, such as "statistical anomalies" when they obviously suck at something...

 

 

[Naskoni]

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[willTell]

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I read most of it, just can't find what you claim to be in there. Sorry, this thread is just a waste of time for everybody.

[Rapptor555]

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[Elgerino]

 

I love how clueless, skillless and insecure noobs deny anything and everything regardless of how unambiguous the proof is, simply because it doesn't suit them.

 

As for stupid whiners believing WG solely on its word - that would be you, brainfart idiot:

 

All you can do is fling insults and invent evidence that magically justifies everything you've said but apparently can't cite. You've spent roughly 20 times more effort trying not to cite it when you could've just got it over with. Sad. The only person you're fooling is I'd wager yourself. On the skilless and insecure part, projecting much?

[RAMJB]

You think that's bad?

 

Believe me, others get it worse:

 

 

I'm stuck with atrocious teams all the time. One of my main reasons to insist W/L rate in this game is totally meaningless to rate players quality, as games as the one posted avobe just prove time after time and again.

[kennydbt]

Welcome to the world of fixed MM

it is the same in WOT as we are getting game with only one CV and team split up it looking like they are using the WOT MM system. with a bit of luck they will change it as one CV played well can help will the game a lot.

[Naskoni]

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[Naskoni]

 

I read most of it, just can't find what you claim to be in there. Sorry, this thread is just a waste of time for everybody.

 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the old threads were deleted by the Vuk - they looked more or less precisely as this one does, just a different set of clueless trolls in them. They always look the same...

[Keulz]

 

I don't complain about tiers, never did. Bigger they are, harder they fall ;) Problem is in type of players behind those ships and here lies the problem with MM. It will place you with bad players.

 

 

Man, after such a losing streak this weekend, I also can't expect to lose every time, but here we are.

 

That's weird, you only do losing streak ? 

You never had winning streak ?

 

I bet you did, and when it happened, you never blamed it on the MM, right ? Yeah, when you win it's your skills, when you lose it's the MM...

 

Anyway, until yesterday, i had something like 40% on my mogami with around 83k of damages per battle. That was just insane, she is so op but i always end up on the wrong team or get a draw.

And yet, i always know that it's just bad luck. The system isn't trying to stop me from winning since i finished the myoko at 74% of WR, it's just that, you know, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, even if you pulled a huge game.

 

 

Don't be ridiculos... when "dice" make you lose 10-15 matches in row is nothing random or "dice"... is just the way WG lower your stats just to prevent some players to dominate the game...

 

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Are you trying to say that you do only a kill every 2 games - even though you massively played the omaha and the cleveland (2 ships known to be freaking OP) - only because WG is trying to lower your stats ?

 

For all interested in how the MM operates, here's the real deal: The actual patent of MM !

 

Publication number	US8425330 B1
Publication type	Grant
Application number	US 13/472,945
Publication date	Apr 23, 2013
Filing date	May 16, 2012
Priority date	May 16, 2012
Also published as	US20130310181
Inventors	Victor Kislyi, Ivan Mikhnevich
Original Assignee	Wargaming.net, LLC

 

"According to another aspect, the matchmaking server may store a win/loss percentage for each user (or vehicle) at a given battle level. As the player's win/loss ratio decreases, the player becomes more likely to be placed in battles having battle levels at the lower end of the allowable range, whereas as the player's win/loss ration increases, the player becomes more likely to be placed in battles having battle levels at the upper end of the allowable range. Thus, when a player has been repeatedly put into too many difficult battles, the balancing is done in favor of easier battle sessions, thereby encouraging the player by providing an easier game environment. Similarly, when the player has been repeatedly put into too many easy battles, the balancing is done in favor of harder battle sessions, thereby keeping the player challenged instead of letting the player become bored with easy games."

Link here:

http://www.google.com/patents/US8425330?dq=8,425,330&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OIaMUeWBAuLIigK32ICYDw&sqi=2&pjf=1&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA

 

I'm sorry but the only thing you demonstrated is your confirmation bias.

What we can be sure of is that they thought about it and that it was worth it to patent it.

 

But :

1. that doesn't mean they have one working MM like that
2. that doesn't mean they are using it.

 

Anywa, they said they would modify the MM so that you won't have to many streak being low or high tier, so... Expect a longer waiting time, thanks to whiners like you.