[MIM] scousersuk Players 284 posts 18,455 battles Report post #1 Posted August 30, 2015 Can one of you guys please give me advice on the izumo because I was getting 120k dmg per match with the amagi and now I am doing bad with this PS IF U SEE ME GETTING MAD IN GAME I AM SORRY BUT THIS IZUMO..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dagon_NOR Beta Tester 80 posts 2,161 battles Report post #2 Posted August 30, 2015 Well, i dont have the Izumo but a friend of mine had it and we played together wihle he grinded towards the Yamato. The trick is to only show the bow to the enemy, at all circumstances. Better to dirve backwards and show the bow than to turn etc. You will last much longer and will be able to use at least two of the turrets at all time. Should still be good to do quite decent damage. The problem with the bow tactic is, that you have to be extra carefull where you are going and plan ahead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MIM] scousersuk Players 284 posts 18,455 battles Report post #3 Posted August 30, 2015 It's just a terrible ship the amagi is so much better 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Namuras ∞ Beta Tester 417 posts 8,503 battles Report post #4 Posted August 30, 2015 Can one of you guys please give me advice on the izumo because I was getting 120k dmg per match with the amagi and now I am doing bad with this PS IF U SEE ME GETTING MAD IN GAME I AM SORRY BUT THIS IZUMO..... I somehow doubt you made 120k AVERAGE damage per game... But yes, the Izumo can do good, but it requires constant angeling, turning and more map awareness than any other BB. In CBT it worked best when you get people to chase you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MIM] scousersuk Players 284 posts 18,455 battles Report post #5 Posted August 30, 2015 you are right over my 100+ games with it I didnt get average of 120k that came in my last 10 to 20 after mastering her but I am just getting a terrible time with the izumo at the moment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Namuras ∞ Beta Tester 417 posts 8,503 battles Report post #6 Posted August 30, 2015 you are right over my 100+ games with it I didnt get average of 120k that came in my last 10 to 20 after mastering her but I am just getting a terrible time with the izumo at the moment The Amagi is simply great... But yes, the Izumo has paper for armor... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #7 Posted August 30, 2015 But yes, the Izumo can do good, but it requires constant angeling, turning and more map awareness than any other BB. In CBT it worked best when you get people to chase you. In other words, Izumo suck as hell. Played it with CBT and it was worst ship in game (and i even fairly liked the Colorado). How it must look after RNG nerfclobbering, i don't even dare to suppose. Anyway, there is some slim hope of changing this situation, as all available statistics show that Izumo performance is indeed worse than Amagi, and way worse than Iowa. Same situation as in Furutaka, and Fur is getting buffed. So maybe after more players get that nightmare (i'm not volunteering if you ask, had enough already) and generate more statistics that would say Izumo sucks, it will get some buff too. TBH it requires three things: - Armor buff - slight maneuverability buff And most of all, thing that WG did intentionally to tone down this ship and instead it did more than anything to change it into proverbial spanner in the works: - Change it model to make the third turret front facing, like in most of the projects. Really WG choose the worst setting from several possible, even the British didn't made that kind of mistake designing Rodney... Last thing, it's kinda funny and telling, that this ship probably generate most "wtf" threads and posts than any other, even Fur. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,195 battles Report post #8 Posted August 30, 2015 This ship is why I went for US line instead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAFT] viceadmiral123 Players 1,221 posts 29,485 battles Report post #9 Posted August 30, 2015 I think it's the first BB to get 7km secondaries, so you got that going for you, which is nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Namuras ∞ Beta Tester 417 posts 8,503 battles Report post #10 Posted August 30, 2015 This ship is why I went for US line instead It is the ONLY IJN BB which is bad compared to its US counterpart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,195 battles Report post #11 Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) It is the ONLY IJN BB which is bad compared to its US counterpart. Yeah... I farmed all the way to Fuso, but I really don't want to farm the whole tier 9 with terrible ship... I rather do that in tier 7, with Colorado. Edited August 30, 2015 by Kenliero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SamStarion Players 86 posts 950 battles Report post #12 Posted August 30, 2015 So maybe after more players get that nightmare (i'm not volunteering if you ask, had enough already) and generate more statistics that would say Izumo sucks, it will get some buff too. I've volunteered myself and i am generating the bad results Btw i would like to love this ship i kinda like the looks of it too, but it is weak, so weak atm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Userext Beta Tester 5,342 posts 2,957 battles Report post #13 Posted August 30, 2015 First of all i dont want to drop gasoline into fire but your amagi has 54k average damage not 120k Izumo is a train wreck though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Battledragon Beta Tester 615 posts 1,251 battles Report post #14 Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) Best solution, remove Izumo, replace with Kii. Kii being an improved version of the Amagi design with better armour. Edited August 30, 2015 by Battledragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SamStarion Players 86 posts 950 battles Report post #15 Posted August 30, 2015 A proper buff for the Izumo would be enough but as i read the test server topics, looks like she is untouched... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #16 Posted August 30, 2015 Best solution, remove Izumo, replace with Kii. Kii being an improved version of the Amagi design with better armour. Why replace? WG can do and are doing whatever they want with paper ships. Izumo problem is not being Izumo, but being crappy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UBOTS] Avallarion Beta Tester 58 posts 2,138 battles Report post #17 Posted August 30, 2015 Part of the problem with Izumo is that the first hulls are pathetic and it takes ages to upgrade them. Once you have all upgrades the ship is actually half decent. Then you look over the fence and see the Iowa and well... There's only one way this comparison goes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[USEUR] max24dj Players 79 posts 2,709 battles Report post #18 Posted August 30, 2015 Part of the problem with Izumo is that the first hulls are pathetic and it takes ages to upgrade them. Once you have all upgrades the ship is actually half decent. Then you look over the fence and see the Iowa and well... There's only one way this comparison goes. This pretty much sums it up, fully upgraded it's not all that bad....if ony the Iowa wasn't 1000 times better.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pardinas_82 Players 29 posts 703 battles Report post #19 Posted August 30, 2015 Izumo has everithing against her, first of all the ship is bad AF and even worse, the american countepart, the Iowa, is a beast of a ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woel Players 95 posts 2,224 battles Report post #20 Posted August 30, 2015 This pretty much sums it up, fully upgraded it's not all that bad....if ony the Iowa wasn't 1000 times better.... I'd say if they ever manage to fix Iowa's superstructure bug, it won't be that much of a difference. I guess it'd help if half of Izumo wasn't made of paper citadels, but otherwise I don't think it's terrible either - although I only managed to play it on test server as of yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Unintentional_submarine [SPUDS] Beta Tester 4,052 posts 8,765 battles Report post #21 Posted August 30, 2015 Izumo could certainly do with having that third turret turned around so that it would resemble the Nelson class more. Presently it is derpy. No more, no less. It offers no real advantage, but does offer some downsides. You can't fire backwards, like with the Iowa for instance. In return one would expect to be able to fire forwards better, and yes it is somewhat better at it, but not much. Further, if the turret pointed forwards, you would be able to angle forwards to either side as you saw fit. Target on left side, keep him at near front left. Oh he died, but another target popped up somewhat to the right, just turn the turrets over rather than the entire hull (though moving the hull over a bit would probably still be an advantage). Or if you have a destroyer to the rear, no need to lose firepower while turning to the other side, the turrets just follow over (rather than the rear turret going the long way around). I really do wonder why the picked this specific A/140 hull, there are several versions with the forward turret instead. Would it be OP? Doubt it. Izumo isn't exactly a beacon of power as it is. But if it was, some other things could be changed. I just feel that a forward third turret would offer some different gameplay from the usual way battleship do things. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MIM] scousersuk Players 284 posts 18,455 battles Report post #22 Posted August 31, 2015 First of all i dont want to drop gasoline into fire but your amagi has 54k average damage not 120k Izumo is a train wreck though Yeah you are right man about the dmg over all the games I don't think I ever said average over all games I have been getting the highest dmg around 120k over the last 10 games or so before my izumo now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MIM] scousersuk Players 284 posts 18,455 battles Report post #23 Posted August 31, 2015 Thank you to everyone who is in the thread talking about this you know the huge deal is the approx 400k farm I need to do to work to the yamato which I do understand because its T10 but dam this izumo can be wrecked so easily I am bleeding flags and money Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[USEUR] max24dj Players 79 posts 2,709 battles Report post #24 Posted August 31, 2015 I'd say if they ever manage to fix Iowa's superstructure bug, it won't be that much of a difference. I guess it'd help if half of Izumo wasn't made of paper citadels, but otherwise I don't think it's terrible either - although I only managed to play it on test server as of yet. Even with the bug solved (btw i've read on the NA forums that it's supposedly fixed in next patch) the Iowa will still be better than the Izumo pretty much under every aspect, just not as horrendoudly OP as it is atm. Izumo could certainly do with having that third turret turned around so that it would resemble the Nelson class more..... Totally agree, for a ship that already has issue the bad turret placement it's just the last nail in the coffin Thank you to everyone who is in the thread talking about this you know the huge deal is the approx 400k farm I need to do to work to the yamato which I do understand because its T10 but dam this izumo can be wrecked so easily I am bleeding flags and money It's nice to be talking about it but in the end noone seems to know what to do with the ship, they make a long list of it's shortcomings, someone dares to say that fully upgraded isn't that bad than looks at the Iowa and falls into depression. I sort of tought i found a way to get decent results by desperetely trying to close the distance with the enemy ships but since they released the citadel immune Tirpitz it doesn't work any more, all that's left is to somehow bear with it and hope the grind will end sooner or later. The fun thing is that i'm also at the Colorado in the US line....somehow i find myself playing cruisers a lot more lately Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woel Players 95 posts 2,224 battles Report post #25 Posted August 31, 2015 Even with the bug solved (btw i've read on the NA forums that it's supposedly fixed in next patch) the Iowa will still be better than the Izumo pretty much under every aspect, just not as horrendoudly OP as it is atm. Izumo does have superior accuracy as far as I know, and the DPM is better too. On Iowa you get the main battery accuracy and reload modules on same slot - and personally I prefer the accuracy over the slight reload. Izumo on the other hand could get both the accuracy module and the shorter reload time (which decreases turret turn rate also) - which does make its guns pretty damn good. I heard so many bad things about that ship, but I'm looking forward to it a lot. It has to do with that awkward turret placement which makes me want to play it already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
