Are you a bit sick of this Tirpitz hype? I know I am

[Siagor]

Historically, this ship was the greatest coward of them all.

 

Sea battles? Went to sink a few merchant ships, got scared and run to hide in the fjords. Fired her main guns just once in September 1943 when she bombarded Allied land positions on Spitzbergen. After which she - can you guess? Again run to the fjords. And that's all Tirpitz did in the war.

 

The only - I'll repeat, the only purpose she had in the war was sheer existence, "a fleet in being", forcing the British Royal Navy to retain significant naval forces in that area.

 

Bismarck went down fighting, Yamato at least got killed on her way to commit seppuku, but this one was... dunno... just a sissy.

[Admiral_noodle]

Yeah but she's pretty.

 

It is a bit much at the moment but it will die down.

 

And she ran because Hitler didn't want to risk her, but Churchill was obsessed with sinking her.

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

I do get sick of all the threads that are being opened in general discussion that have nothing whatsoever to do with the game. Like this one. Take it to the history part, or to a history forum. This section is for ingame discussion.

 

Also, if the Tirpitz was a sissy (what a stupid way to describe sound naval tactics...), that does that make Churchill? He was scared shitless by the prospect of her being unleashed upon the atlantic. 

[Siagor]

Comes down to what I stated - she only hid in the fjords.

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

Still offtopic. Still a valid tactic, and necessary, as she intercepted convoys for the Soviets. She'd have served better in the atlantic, though. 

[Ragoutrabbit]

Coward?

 

The ship really didn't do anything during the war so ya don't get the hype.

[Vegas095]

Lol, calling a ship a sissy or a coward because it didn't go down fighting? Irl war isn't a game you know... 

[Shaka_D]

Lol, calling a ship a sissy or a coward because it didn't go down fighting? Irl war isn't a game you know... 

 

Why, have you been in one?

In retrospect, the Tirpitz did very little to aid the war effort in terms of fighting but many love the idea of being able to play it, maybe from a sense of national pride, etc.

The yamato was similar in respect of it not really doing that much, but it didn't stop the japanese from showing off a rather large reconstruction of it in a museum.

[Gunship14]

Lol, calling a ship a sissy or a coward because it didn't go down fighting? Irl war isn't a game you know... 

 

He probably said that to support his main point, that all this hype is over a ship that was largely unremarkable. There are people who don't even know what the Tirpitz is, and there are also others who bought it because it's Bismarck's sister ship and looks very similar.

 

If it wasn't for the Bismarck and it was the "Tirpitz class", no one would be hyped for it.

[Userext]

Are you british? because that would explain it all.

[Shaka_D]

Are you british? because that would explain it all.

 

That sounds a little like bigotry on your part. Are you a bigot?

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

Are you british? because that would explain it all.

 

Yup, he's still sore that without the US's help they all had to drink their tea to Blasmusik and say "Guten Morgen, your highness" when they meet the Queen. I feel for the british, though. Spending the war as the US's aircraft carrier ant not being able to do anything on their own must have sucked. 

[Shaka_D]

 

Yup, he's still sore that without the US's help they all had to drink their tea to Blasmusik and say "Guten Morgen, your highness" when they meet the Queen. I feel for the british, though. Spending the war as the US's aircraft carrier ant not being able to do anything on their own must have sucked. 

 

My dear man, perhaps next time you should keep quiet before displaying your own bigotry and ignorance. It must be nice to say things without thinking, how does it feel, I've never tried it?

[Riithi]

The servicelife of the Tirpitz was rather boring yeah, people buy it for other reasons.

 

A theory of mine is that postwar a lot of the media inflated the capabilities of the Germans, to make their own(USA/UK) victory seem more awesome.

So when you see a documentary of the Bismarck it will be called a 'Super Battleship' yadda yadda etc etc. 

But with a more critical look, the Bismarck is not that different from the others made around that time.

 

 

Personally I think the ships looks attractive.

 

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

 

My dear man, perhaps next time you should keep quiet before displaying your own bigotry and ignorance. It must be nice to say things without thinking, how does it feel, I've never tried it?

 

I think bigotry requires you to prefer one people or group over the other, but I hate all people equally, especially on the internet. As for the no thinking part, the OP obviously tried to troll. I just responded in kind. Relax. It's all just a game. And maybe you should take your own advive, if you assume my post is to be taken seriously, then you should also take the OP's post serious, and he's just as bigoted and ignorant as you make me out. 

 

So, regarding the 'not posting without thinking', you just displayed a very fine example of that. And since people are creatures of habit, I really doubt it's your first time. So, go back a couple of minutes, remember how you felt when you typed these words... the feeling of rightousness... the illusion that what you type matters on the net... yes... there it is. Feels like that. Hollow and bitter, I'd guess. I feel sorry for you, you are obviously scarred worse by the internet than I am, if you assume that everyone who posts here is 100% dead serious. 

[Userext]

 

That sounds a little like bigotry on your part. Are you a bigot?

 

Why would anyone else be so mad against hype? I dont think any US player would open thread like this one. Calling a ship coward isnt exactly what a normal person would do. You know these things follow commands

 

Tirpitz isnt diffrent from bismarck this is why there is so hype. Those words of him still looks like a fanatic's words to me.

[Shaka_D]

 

 the OP obviously tried to troll.

 

He tried to troll? Lol. I think you were a little quick making that presumption, and personally even though even I like the idea and mythology behind the Tirpitz (having grown up building models of ships like the Yamata, Bismarck and Tirpitz), I really think the OP has a valid point. The hype in the case of the tirpitz is just that, it's hype. But I still want to play it, haha. He had an opinion and you started with nationalistic bigotry in response, subtle, but still. I didn;t see him insult Germany, yet you think it good to 'insult' the brits by downplaying their role and participation in the war?

[Shaka_D]

 

Why would anyone else be so mad against hype? I dont think any US player would open thread like this one. Calling a ship coward isnt exactly what a normal person would do. You know these things follow commands

 

Tirpitz isnt diffrent from bismarck this is why there is so hype. Those words of him still looks like a fanatic's words to me.

 

He didn't sound mad to me. He was asking a question and perhaps his use of the word 'coward' could have been more tactful, BUT it still wasn't an insult to Germany was it>? He was reflecting on the role the ship itself played and the hype surrounding it, not Germany's efforts as a whole. And you don't seem to know the meaning of the word fanatic at all. You and Akainutaisho seem to have lost a lot in translation.

[Hawker96]

 

 

Historically, this ship was the greatest coward of them all.

 

I think being the "greatest coward" and being one of the single biggest targets of the combined Royal Navy and Royal Air Force ability operating together to try and put her to the bottom of the ocean are two separate things in my opinion.

 

After the damage her Sister-ship Bismarck did to not only the Royal Navy with the loss of Hood, but with the moral of the people, Tirpitz could not be allowed the opportunity to slip out into the Atlantic where she could have caused havoc on the vital supply lines keeping Britain, the USA and the USSR linked.  

 

Tirpitz was no coward, she, like her sister was the victim of their own reputation and the damage she could have caused the allied effort.

[Shaka_D]

 

 

 

I think being the "greatest coward" and being one of the single biggest targets of the combined Royal Navy and Royal Air Force ability operating together to try and put her to the bottom of the ocean are two separate things in my opinion.

 

After the damage her Sister-ship Bismarck did to not only the Royal Navy with the loss of Hood, but with the moral of the people, Tirpiz could not be allowed the opportunity to slip out into the Atlantic where she could have caused havoc on the vital supply lines keeping Britain, the USA and the USSR linked.  

 

Tirpiz was no coward, she was the victim of her Sister-ships reputation and of the damage she could have caused the allied effort.

 

Yes, I agree, her role certainly seemed to be disruptive in nature and not directly confrontational. She served her purpose but tieing up vital Royal Navy resources, but for the die-hards perhaps she wasn't 'combative' enough. To me she was a beautiful ship and a powerhouse in her own right so for this reason I like her.

[Nechrom]

I don't know why other people got the Tirpitz, but I just like the the design of the ship. Not just the look but also the idea of a fast well armed and armored ship designed to work more independently than regular battleships that were tied to big fleets most of the time. Basically the same reason I like the Deutschland and Admiral Hipper-class cruisers.

Personally I don't care that the Tirpitz historically didn't get to do much, I'm more interested in the ship class.

[Vegas095]

 

Why, have you been in one?

In retrospect, the Tirpitz did very little to aid the war effort in terms of fighting but many love the idea of being able to play it, maybe from a sense of national pride, etc.

The yamato was similar in respect of it not really doing that much, but it didn't stop the japanese from showing off a rather large reconstruction of it in a museum.

So I'd have to actually fight in a war to know that it isn't a game? I know the Tirpitz did very little in the war I just think calling it a coward because "It didn't go down fighting" doesn't make a whole lot of sense..

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

 

He tried to troll? Lol. I think you were a little quick making that presumption, and personally even though even I like the idea and mythology behind the Tirpitz (having grown up building models of ships like the Yamata, Bismarck and Tirpitz), I really think the OP has a valid point. The hype in the case of the tirpitz is just that, it's hype. But I still want to play it, haha. He had an opinion and you started with nationalistic bigotry in response, subtle, but still. I didn;t see him insult Germany, yet you think it good to 'insult' the brits by downplaying their role and participation in the war?

 

Everybody always downplays the role of the antagonizing parties. The Tommys don't wan't to admit that they were in dire need of saving by the US, the french like to pretend that they were a very important participant in the war effort, the germans blame their defeat on 'superior numbers alone' and not the fact that the Führer was a complete retard and the war was hopeless from the beginning, and so on. As all parties, Britain played it's part. The war was forced upon them. They had a lot of brave men and women who fought and died bravely and very well, as far as history can tell. The same is true for all participants. And again, read the second part of my previous post. 

 

And yes. With the attitude the op displayed in his post, he is either a troll, or at best an ignorant. Sending the Tirpitz into the atlantic would have had the same result as just scrapping her in Kiel. So for once, the Gröfaz actually listened to someone more qualified than him (which probably includes every single member of the Wehrmacht, Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe, dogs included) and listened to the proposal of his Admiral (the name elludes me right now) and sent her somewhere out of reach of the RAF (who until then failed miserably in sinking an anchored Battleship, one might add.)

 

So, where is this cowardly? Shall we call the US from today cowards because they airbomb the crap out of everything befor they send in their troops? Shall we call the Empire from Star Wars cowards because they sent ATAT cs the lightly armed Rebels on Hoth? It's war. Acts of bravery and heroism usually don't amount to much. And if you are talking about a Battleship, you don't send it out to die, just so it looks good in the papers. You send it where it has the best chance to contribute as much as possible with as little risk to it as possible. And that was the coast of Norway. It was exactly what every other nation in the same situation would have done, and if you start blabbering nonsense like 'the ship was a sissy' than you don't have to wonder if people don't take you the [edited]seriosly. You sound like a complete idiot if you deliver this with a sense of being sincere. 

 

;aybe I should have considered that even after 70 years, tensions regarding tactics, losses and participation are still high, even in people who were not directly influenced by the War and only now it from stories, movies and history books. If you thought my comments were serious, then please accept my apology. 

[St4n]

Historically, this ship was the greatest coward of them all.

 

Sea battles? Went to sink a few merchant ships, got scared and run to hide in the fjords. Fired her main guns just once in September 1943 when she bombarded Allied land positions on Spitzbergen. After which she - can you guess? Again run to the fjords. And that's all Tirpitz did in the war.

 

The only - I'll repeat, the only purpose she had in the war was sheer existence, "a fleet in being", forcing the British Royal Navy to retain significant naval forces in that area.

 

Bismarck went down fighting, Yamato at least got killed on her way to commit seppuku, but this one was... dunno... just a sissy.

How do you occupy a much bigger force? Exactly, by beeing present but not getting caught.

If you were the Tirpitz captain, you would just bumrush into the next british fleet you can find, fight a little bit for glory and than get sunk.

Wow, you just heroicaly died and took 3 ships with you. Sadly, that doesn't help the whole war, since now the rest of the enemy ships in this region are free to move and fight on other fronts. Congratz, you just failed with your bright strategical knowledge about naval warfare...

[Shaka_D]

So I'd have to actually fight in a war to know that it isn't a game? Just asked a question, it intrigues me, no offense mean't.

I know the Tirpitz did very little in the war I just think calling it a coward because "It didn't go down fighting" doesn't make a whole lot of sense.. Yes, I agree fully. The OP could have been more tactful.