Can we have options for stats visibility/privacy?

[NoMoon]

Go ahead, look at my stats.  Not great, are they?  I started playing the game soon after open beta, so like many of us here I am still on a bit of a learning curve.

 

Thing is I still have an opinion on aspects of the game but it feels like any time I check a thread or (the horror!) express that opinion my stats are hanging over me like The Sword of Damocles because stats are like Godwin's Rule in this game. 

 

Eventually someone will state that your view is invalid because your % of blah is not elite enough.  This means that only those lucky enough to have played in previous betas, learning the game and hitting the ground running, have a "valid" opinion as their stats are naturally better at this stage.  Not a great way to encourage new viewpoints from fresh players.  Of course a more experienced player may have a better answer but an opinion just requires a cohesive argument, not a win% to be relevant.

 

In game I've even had a bad loser claim that, after completely out-maneuvering him, I was just lucky because my record in that ship was not as good as his.  It was only something like my 3rd game at that tier but, while it is easy to laugh at such an idiot, it still soured the victory.  Admittedly that was pretty pathetic and thankfully the only time it has happened to me so far but it highlights how having stats readily available to all can just give ammunition to bad players and trolls.

 

A good proportion of us play because we simply enjoy the game.  Let the stat-happy types compete if they want but let those of us who couldn't care less play and let our forum posts and in-game actions speak for themselves.  

 

At the end of the day some of us simply value a bit of privacy so, if customers views are respected, I think that should be reason enough to give us privacy options.

[Rebeldad1]

So you wish to have the option of opting in to have your game stats viewable by other people? I could see an opt out option but seeing as how WG wants their games to be an esport I doubt they would do this.

I would suggest you just not pay attention to chat and dont let people get to you. Otherwise you are giving them to much power. There are a lot of toxic people these days.

[Multispec]

I agree 100 %

[TheJezna]

Did rage a bit in another thread when someone used the "your stats suck, so your opinion is useless" non-argument against someone. Like I said then, someone with less briliant stats is probably a better representation of the average player than some elitists around here and thus their opinion should even be more valuable. But I agree, showing stats should be optional. And about that e-sport thing, that's just a bad joke, no game as unbalanced as WoWs could ever come close to being an e-sport game.

[Multispec]

RNG is bad for E-Sports, if you can't rely on good aim but have to account for RNG most truly competetive players will walk away and find something closer to 100% skillbased.

[NoMoon]

Interesting that e-sports has been brought up.  

 

DOTA2 is a rather big thing in e-sports and they have very effective privacy options which you have to specifically allow to publish your stats publicly.

[chazwozza]

Stats in a WG game are pretty pointless anyhow RNGsus rules the waves with his buddy the SS bollocks matchmaker add in a few window lickers as team mates and bingo you got pointless stats anyone who says otherwise is just in denial or a complete bullshitter

[OVanBruce]

Stats are mainly there for people to brag about then (and even so we'll allways have the problem of people stat padding and seal clubbinng even on tier X) so let people who don't want to brag hide then and save then the more than probable undeserved bashing they receive. So yeah, I think WG should let players mark their profiles as private or not.

[alalos]

shut your mouth.. don´t whine.. and no1 will care about your stats at all.

 

start to flame.. qq alot.. and they will be all over you.

[Sybeck]

Go ahead, look at my stats.  Not great, are they?  I started playing the game soon after open beta, so like many of us here I am still on a bit of a learning curve.

 

Thing is I still have an opinion on aspects of the game but it feels like any time I check a thread or (the horror!) express that opinion my stats are hanging over me like The Sword of Damocles because stats are like Godwin's Rule in this game. 

 

Eventually someone will state that your view is invalid because your % of blah is not elite enough.  This means that only those lucky enough to have played in previous betas, learning the game and hitting the ground running, have a "valid" opinion as their stats are naturally better at this stage.  Not a great way to encourage new viewpoints from fresh players.  Of course a more experienced player may have a better answer but an opinion just requires a cohesive argument, not a win% to be relevant.

 

In game I've even had a bad loser claim that, after completely out-maneuvering him, I was just lucky because my record in that ship was not as good as his.  It was only something like my 3rd game at that tier but, while it is easy to laugh at such an idiot, it still soured the victory.  Admittedly that was pretty pathetic and thankfully the only time it has happened to me so far but it highlights how having stats readily available to all can just give ammunition to bad players and trolls.

 

A good proportion of us play because we simply enjoy the game.  Let the stat-happy types compete if they want but let those of us who couldn't care less play and let our forum posts and in-game actions speak for themselves.  

 

At the end of the day some of us simply value a bit of privacy so, if customers views are respected, I think that should be reason enough to give us privacy options.

 

[edited] 'em, I'm the same, mid-range player, but I love the game and know a fault/bug or a *^!"head when I see them and call it.  Stats in this game are 90% bogus and as the saying goes, stats are like a drunk and a lampposts, they're used more for support than illumination.

[Blue_Bug]

Go ahead, look at my stats.  Not great, are they?  I started playing the game soon after open beta, so like many of us here I am still on a bit of a learning curve.

 

Thing is I still have an opinion on aspects of the game but it feels like any time I check a thread or (the horror!) express that opinion my stats are hanging over me like The Sword of Damocles because stats are like Godwin's Rule in this game. 

 

Eventually someone will state that your view is invalid because your % of blah is not elite enough.  This means that only those lucky enough to have played in previous betas, learning the game and hitting the ground running, have a "valid" opinion as their stats are naturally better at this stage.  Not a great way to encourage new viewpoints from fresh players.  Of course a more experienced player may have a better answer but an opinion just requires a cohesive argument, not a win% to be relevant.

 

In game I've even had a bad loser claim that, after completely out-maneuvering him, I was just lucky because my record in that ship was not as good as his.  It was only something like my 3rd game at that tier but, while it is easy to laugh at such an idiot, it still soured the victory.  Admittedly that was pretty pathetic and thankfully the only time it has happened to me so far but it highlights how having stats readily available to all can just give ammunition to bad players and trolls.

 

A good proportion of us play because we simply enjoy the game.  Let the stat-happy types compete if they want but let those of us who couldn't care less play and let our forum posts and in-game actions speak for themselves.  

 

At the end of the day some of us simply value a bit of privacy so, if customers views are respected, I think that should be reason enough to give us privacy options.

 

 

Oke, I was curious so I looked at your stats. I have to say I was a bit dissapointed, I expected a player with 30 batles and a winrate below 40%. Your stats are not bad, they are average.

 

With over 1000 batles and every class played you must have a general idea about the game mechanics. Just don't let people bring you down on stats. Pointing at stats is a sign of weakness, it means that they don't have arguments to counter your arguments.

 

Most of the time, people point at someones stats when the other makes statement which are not substantiated with arguments, or make statements about a class they didn't play themself. A well substantiated opinion can't be countered with pointing to someones stats. It will always turn out in a discusion about the arguments. Just ignore the people who don't use real arguments, they are only here to troll and have no interest in making the game better.

 

To me your opinion will be just as valid as every body else his opinion. So please speak up, we can use some fresh blood in here and some new opinions.

[Hurme_Ulina]

Stats aren't that big of a deal, if someone has a valid point about something I don't give a **** if that said player has 30W%. There's some correlation between stats and how constructive player's input is but you just can't ignore everything you've been told by a "scrub" who has 5k less average damage per battle than you do.   

 

Edit: I just loved the background animation of my signature, it's not about the stats!!! 

[Tomerell]

To OP, dont pay any attention to comments of your stats, it is not worth it...

 

I Gave up XVM in WOT looong time ago, and I dont care about stats in WOWs either.

 

Yes it will give some indication of how the fellow players might perform in the battle, but mostly it is just an ego trip for some stat wh***s 

[Admiral_noodle]

I've seen a lot worse. Problem is the stats only show total performance. What if you got better? You're stats will lag. Lots of issues with stats... Also if people are down on you because of stats that's just dumb.

 

On the other hand you can use them to analyse your own level of play. Why are they lower than others? What can I learn? And then see if you can keep beating your average in each game.

[Kruzenstern]

Like I said then, someone with less briliant stats is probably a better representation of the average player than some elitists around here and thus their opinion should even be more valuable.

 

If the average players opinion was the most valuable, we would be playing World of Battleships, and torps would have 1km range and do 100 points of damage, and AA would always overwhelm planes. I wouldn't want to play that (even though I personally DO hate carriers and find them rather OP at times, they do have a place in this game).

 

While I will agree that overall stats kinda suck to gauge a players competence, recent stats actually serve that purpose okayishly. And while I wouldn't use someones stats to debunk a valid point that I might not agree with because that is just silly, I will use stats to debunk pointless whines by players too stupid to realize that they are the problem, not their ships or the enemy's ships. Not that it ever helps, because those people think stats are not the result of their own competence (or lack thereof).

 

That said, when I look at the OPs stats for example, I see a player that may not be the greatest (especially considering how many matches he has played), but is also far from being so bad that I would discount anything he says because of his stats. (Well, maybe when he talks about cruisers lol). But I guess some people are so far removed from reality that they would do that. For me, that threshold lies a lot lower, and usually the first key to the invalidity of their claims is their wording, the stats then only back the impression up.

[Admiral_noodle]

I also think deep analysis of stars by ship is needed. For example OP isn't doing badly in Omaha or Cleveland, although average damage could be a little higher. Whereas he seems to be struggling to inflict pain in Pensacola. A useful insight perhaps?

 

In fairness look at my Myogi stats. Awful and I admit I got that ships play style all wrong.

 

Stats by SHIP are useful. Overall stats aren't. Eg if I went on here and moaned Myogi was rubbish you could point to my stats on Myogi and tell me I'm playing her wrong - and you'd be right! On the other hand maybe I could give OP some tips on Pensacola as I seem to be doing a lot more damage. Or maybe not because neither of us have played a lot in that ship.

 

So stats aren't bad they just need to be sensibly considered.

[Aerroon]

Well, the thing is that how would you then discard the opinions of so many whiners about stuff like carriers even though they've never played them?

[Kenliero]

I understand how you feel OP. I also support option of hiding personal stats. It is so disappointing to see conversation of game mechanics, turn into this childish "my % is better than your %". That is just stupid reasoning. Some of us can have bad physique, which prevents good result. For example in wot I played 4000 games, while my hand was broken. Bones broken from 2 fingers, and hand in a huge medical cast. Does that mean my opinion about tanks have no meaning? In warships, I never touched the game until OBT. My first class was destroyers, and I had no idea how other classes work. Now that I have played all classes just enough to have good understanding of game mechanics... does it mean my opinion doesnt matter, because my stats are still bad?

[OVanBruce]

Well, the thing is that how would you then discard the opinions of so many whiners about stuff like carriers even though they've never played them?

 

You should know enough about carriers to know when someone is talking with its [edited]or knows about what he's talking.

[Siagor]

Can I talk about carriers as a victim, not a CV captain?

[FaceFisted]

I asked the same thing in WOT during XVM madness and response was - no, it will not be possible to hide stats, so I installed and use XVM as everyone else, just for curiosity.

 

That curiosity had one great conclusion - the worst trolls, those who have ~42% WR and miserable stats, are once that complain most about cheats and they usually insult others the most. From time to time, at the end of the match, I check stats of those players and all I can say is that I was correct about them - they are just miserable trolls and terrible players.

[Kenliero]

While it is true that one can learn more from good player, it does not justify cruelty towards mediocre, or bad players. And it is possible to learn even from worse player, just not so often. More importantly, it is important to keep open mind, because no one is right about everything

[Interdiction]

Stats ......I have no time for them as they are not the mark of a good player ...Most players with really good stats are selfish players and will not risk anything in a game

 

 

[N00b32]

Thing is I still have an opinion on aspects of the game but it feels like any time I check a thread or (the horror!) express that opinion my stats are hanging over me like The Sword of Damocles because stats are like Godwin's Rule in this game. 

 

I did only quote this part of your post, because I think it is the essence of the situation. Let me first make a few points clear. The post you just made is a very good one and a valid point in the discussion. It has nothing to do with stats, but with the way the post was made. it addressed the problem, gave an example and brought up a solution. 

 

Sadly, this is a forum. So people only read selective sentences of posts. And they don't care about arguments discussed. For some posters it is all about right or wrong. And let's be honest, there are a lot posts who totally miss the point they want to make. Let's look at those torpedos are OP, carriers are OP, DDs are OP, everthing is OP posts. Most of them just state their opinion. They don't give a good reason, they don't give a solution and they don't even address the problem. Most of those posts lack replays to show what was going on. Most of them are based on strange reasons (e.g. complaining about the damage a torpedo makes and declaring it total unrealistic, because obviously they have real life experience with torpedos or are naval history experts). They the immediately demand some stupid solution (like nerfing torpedo damage asap by 50%) and expect everyone to feel enlightend by that awesome post.

 

And that is the reason why stats are taken as a measurement at the moment. A lot of opinions are not established yet and experience is indeed the one thing that most people lack, when they discuss about a topic. Usually in WoT (yes, I made that comparision there) it is seen as experienced, if a player has 5k battles. Obviously battles in this game take longer, so I estimate with more and more players reaching 2.5k games under their hoofs, experience and knowledge gets less and less important and the arguments more and more important. As long as you talk with adults. 

 

And that is the next point. Stat comparison is a great way for teens to express their opinion. You should not forget, there are a lot of underaged players and we all know how competition is part of their life. For them, it is all about being better in a computer game and show it. So yeah, I think that part will never change. No matter, if stats are public or not.

 

However, I think private stats are a great achievement concerning privacy and privacy laws. Despite this, I understand Wargaming. Public stats, posts and values is the modern way to win the internet. Be it Twitter, Facebook or even Steam. They all use this social component. For Wargaming, the social component is about public stats. And I would very much like to see ingame chats (not the PN, just the battlechat) to be puplic. Everyone should be able to see the douchebags in the chat. 

 

So to sum up, I think what this game needs is more social components, not less. Some situations like comparative underaged players and selective forum reading can't be solved at all. Others like experience and knowledge will be settled after some more month. And some like toxic chat can be solved by more puplicity, not less. In all cases, a well made post with some thoughts into it will end in better responses. And with ignore lists and only answering to valuable posts, you just ignore the rest of the junk to get better personal experience with posts in a forum. You don't have to discuss with people who only reduce you to your stats. Make valuable posts, explain your opinion and ignore the junk.

 

Cheers

[Ishiro32]

I think showing so detailed information about player performance is very toxic in non ranked modes. If you give acces to those information to people then ofc they will be used against some and the stat padding culture will thrive. Effectively this small little fact is making normal random games much more competetive than they should be.

 

Most other games hide your normal stats, sometimes even from you. Only when you start playing ranks you are scored and everything counts. So people who don't care about their epen just play normal games and never care if they have bad game or good. If they team failed or not. You play for yourself, you try your best for yourself, not for the stats.

Considering that same access to stats is in WoT and in other WG games there is no chance to change it. I doubt devs even have say in something that is builded into all WG branded games. 

I would love for stats to be hidden and instead having rank system for people to bash their heads to check who is the best.
You don't need to check someone stats to know that for example he did not play even one game in carrier. When he is talking about carriers his lack of knowledge just shows and If it isn't obvious then maybe he has a point or was able to see something from different perspective that might be worth listetning to.