I can't buy the stuff I want

[dblkion]

Hey, 

Just wondering if i'm alone to have huge credit problems even with premium ?

I can barely buy ships, upgrades are impossible and even hulls are troublesome ... and i'm not even talking about big tiers .. just 6-7.
This game is really frustrating.

[WoTMarc]

How many lines do you grind?

[0ptImuS_Pr1mE]

It's not easy but if you focus only on 2 ships that is not big problem. I start to grind 4 but now I am focused only on DD and dont have problems anymore.

[dblkion]

I "grind" 2 lines and play 4

[Admiral_noodle]

Would recommend budgeting if you don't want premium. Suggest you don't need all the upgrades on all the ships. Only upgrade the ones you intend to play and apply consumables sparingly... Eg. Cammo on a battleship... Is it really necessary?

 

I have premium and a Murmansk. Grinding only one line at a time. No credit problems obviously. If I didn't have premium I would take more time, but XP is the thing which slows me down not credits.

 

Or give in and buy some doubloons with real money. That is an "is it worth it" question only you can answer.

[ttchip]

How many lines do you grind?

 

That's completely irrelevant since every line should be able to pay for itself.

[Admiral_noodle]

Not really. That would make the game easy and not sell any premiums.

 

Also each line pays for itself but not linearly. So you need more games per line as tiers go up. If you are grinding at the same tier you will need say 5 games to advance one line. For 4 lines you'll need 20 games in total.

 

At high tiers you need to play low tiers to pay the upkeep on your high tier ships, so if you have lots of high tier ships you'll need to play lots and lots of lower tier battles.

 

This makes premium more attractive (deliberate) and stops people all rushing to tier X and no one left to play at lower tiers.

 

Also higher tiers are a "reward" for playing lots of games, not an entitlement.

[Aldramelech]

I've looked at your profile and frankly there is nothing very wrong other then you are rushing. 

 

You have moved up the tech tree in IJN DD's to tier 8 and yet only have 16 games in the Minekaze, 15 in Hatsuharu.

 

Now your stats are good but Hatsuharu to Fubuki in 15 games?

 

Your not staying long enough in any one ship as you move up to make enough money to fund the future purchase.  As well as grinding the XP for the next ship you need to grind the silver as well and your not doing that.

[ttchip]

Not really. That would make the game easy and not sell any premiums.

 

Also each line pays for itself but not linearly. So you need more games per line as tiers go up. If you are grinding at the same tier you will need say 5 games to advance one line. For 4 lines you'll need 20 games in total.

 

At high tiers you need to play low tiers to pay the upkeep on your high tier ships, so if you have lots of high tier ships you'll need to play lots and lots of lower tier battles.

 

This makes premium more attractive (deliberate) and stops people all rushing to tier X and no one left to play at lower tiers.

 

Also higher tiers are a "reward" for playing lots of games, not an entitlement.

 

No, mate. Both cost and profits increase linearly with the amount of lines you play. As a result, playing multiple lines at the same time does nothing to your overall monetary situation.

 

[Admiral_noodle]

True. But if you're grinding lots of lines it will *feel* like it's taking ages... Is what I meant.

[Hurme_Ulina]

 

No, mate. Both cost and profits increase linearly with the amount of lines you play. As a result, playing multiple lines at the same time does nothing to your overall monetary situation.

 

 

umm yes it does. If you grind many lines at the same time there will be situations when you're not able to buy the ships or upgrades right after you unlock them. I have a premium account and when I had unlocked all tier 6 BBs, CAs and DDs I had the credits to buy 4 of them right off the bat. Didn't have all the upgrades mounted cause they cost so much and Modules are pretty expensive too. For example Colorado costs 6 million credits and all the modules about 4,5 more. So If you grind all the lines at the same time there will be moments when you cannot afford to everything you've unlocked.

 

And yes I know Colorado is tier 7 I just used that as an example

[ttchip]

umm yes it does. If you grind many lines at the same time there will be situations when you're not able to buy the ships or upgrades right after you unlock them. I have a premium account and when I had unlocked all tier 6 BBs, CAs and DDs I had the credits to buy 4 of them right off the bat. Didn't have all the upgrades mounted cause they cost so much and Modules are pretty expensive too. For example Colorado costs 6 million credits and all the modules about 4,5 more. So If you grind all the lines at the same time there will be moments when you cannot afford to everything you've unlocked.

 

And yes I know Colorado is tier 7 I just used that as an example

 

...and you'd have the exact same situations if you were driving only one line.

[dblkion]

I've looked at your profile and frankly there is nothing very wrong other then you are rushing. 

 

You have moved up the tech tree in IJN DD's to tier 8 and yet only have 16 games in the Minekaze, 15 in Hatsuharu.

 

Now your stats are good but Hatsuharu to Fubuki in 15 games?

 

Your not staying long enough in any one ship as you move up to make enough money to fund the future purchase.  As well as grinding the XP for the next ship you need to grind the silver as well and your not doing that.

 

True I skipped Hatsu cos I play for fun, not to grind a pain in the 4ss ship still, I dont think thats very relevant.

Torp upgrade on Fubuki costs 2kk credits ..

[Blue_Bug]

Hey, 

 

Just wondering if i'm alone to have huge credit problems even with premium ?

I can barely buy ships, upgrades are impossible and even hulls are troublesome ... and i'm not even talking about big tiers .. just 6-7.

This game is really frustrating.

 

Yeah I have the same problem. 

[Aldramelech]

 

True I skipped Hatsu cos I play for fun, not to grind a pain in the 4ss ship still, I dont think thats very relevant.

Torp upgrade on Fubuki costs 2kk credits ..

 

Of course its relevant, it doesn't get any more relevant then that. In order to earn silver you have to play games, if your skipping things then those games are not played and that silver is not earned. 

 

Like I said, your rushing, which is fine if you have several premium ships to spam to get that silver or heaven forbid you buy silver with gold but as your saying you can't afford anything I'm guessing your not.

 

There are two ways to earn here, effort or money and your not doing either, so what do you expect?

[EsaTuunanen]

 

...and you'd have the exact same situations if you were driving only one line.

Except that with one or two similar playstyle ship lines it's probably easier for most players to maintain level of gameplay compared to constantly jumping from very different ship line to another between matches.

You have to remember that how well you play affects lot to how much credits/XP you gain per match.

[dblkion]

 

Of course its relevant, it doesn't get any more relevant then that. In order to earn silver you have to play games, if your skipping things then those games are not played and that silver is not earned. 

 

Like I said, your rushing, which is fine if you have several premium ships to spam to get that silver or heaven forbid you buy silver with gold but as your saying you can't afford anything I'm guessing your not.

 

There are two ways to earn here, effort or money and your not doing either, so what do you expect?

 

 

IMO economy atm is bad and I hope they change it to be a bit easier. I play with the Sims to try and get some credits, but its not enough .. 

 

When premium + premium ship isnt enough there is something quite wrong.

[Admiral_noodle]

It is "enough". It's just not fast enough for your liking.

[Tubit101]

I have the same problem. I can't afford to buy the things I want, even though the xp is there. This is on a premium account. I have to forego modules, consumables and other beneficial expenditures. It doesn't feel properly balanced at the moment.

 

"It's just not fast enough for your liking" isn't really a proper argument here, since it can basically be applied apologetically to any financial situation. You can be given a spoon for digging a highway tunnel, and still be told "it's just not fast enough for your liking".

[Admiral_noodle]

It is a proper argument. People are getting to high tiers. I expect by playing lots and lots of games.

 

I'm pretty sure the economy is designed so that you can't have "everything" and break even, even with premium, in every game. You have to pick and choose your consumables, if any, to the ones you really need.

 

Also with the economy as it is some people will end up buying doubloons to convert to credits... In the same way doubloons are used to get more free XP.

 

You said something is "wrong". I disagree. It's working as designed. Only WG will know by player behaviours and doubloon purchases whether it's working to THEIR liking, which is the only thing which matters in the end...

 

Can you grind to tier ten with no premium? Yes. Eventually. So it's not "broken"

 

Am not saying I agree with or like any of this, I'm just being a realist. And a pedant.

[max24dj]

If you are already whining at T6-7 i don't wanna know what you will do when you reach T9 and find out that even with premium you will be losing money for evry lost battle where you get sunk. Economy isn't broken, it's working as intended, in the sense you are not intended to breeze trough tiers without having credits problems. Past T7 credits will always be the limiting factor in evry thing you do, you will have to spend a lot of time on low tier or premium ships grinding them because that's the way the game is designed to work, WG won't change it's mind on this, you either accep it or give up on the game.

In the end it's for the best, especially in the present state without clan wars or endgame content, as the game will be over when you reach T10 on all lines you are remotely interested into.

[Userext]

Economy isnt in a bad situation. At wot one of my friends which i started to play with got 2 tier 10s in 2 months without spending money on it. He played like that for 2 years and then his clan gave him a tier 8 premium tank. He wasnt a super good player. Only problem so far for me is premium ships at high tiers not making enough credit.

[Aldramelech]

There is nothing wrong with the economy. If you want to skip steps, not play many games, not spend any money and grind several lines at the same time then yes, you are going to run out of cash.

 

The economy here needs slightly more thought and planning then the sister game and a measure of financial responsibility.

[Seafort]

If I have to manage a budget in a game then it's no longer a game but a job. I play the game for fun if I have to watch my pennies while doing so it no longer becomes fun but a frustrating and boring grind especially when people pay for a premium account as well and still can't afford to buy ships and upgrades.

 

There are far too little rewards for the things people do in this game like AA support, guarding BBs or CVs or spotting. When I play my CAs as support ships I'm rewarded very little in XP or credits. I guess that's why most people don't support their team with AA support or anything else. It's just not worth the effort to be rewarded so little by being a team player.

 

The economy is broken for all but the most dedicated players to the game who play hours at a time and get the most credits and XP for doing so. Anyone else who plays casually struggles with credits and XP gain through normal play, premium or no premium.

 

CV captains is another story entirely as they get ridiculous amounts of XP and credits just for showing up.

[max24dj]

If I have to manage a budget in a game then it's no longer a game but a job. I play the game for fun if I have to watch my pennies while doing so it no longer becomes fun but a frustrating and boring grind especially when people pay for a premium account as well and still can't afford to buy ships and upgrades.

 

There are far too little rewards for the things people do in this game like AA support, guarding BBs or CVs or spotting. When I play my CAs as support ships I'm rewarded very little in XP or credits. I guess that's why most people don't support their team with AA support or anything else. It's just not worth the effort to be rewarded so little by being a team player.

 

The economy is broken for all but the most dedicated players to the game who play hours at a time and get the most credits and XP for doing so. Anyone else who plays casually struggles with credits and XP gain through normal play, premium or no premium.

 

CV captains is another story entirely as they get ridiculous amounts of XP and credits just for showing up.

A game that has a monetary value that you don't have to manage at all might as well remove it, what's the point of having money if you always have enough to buy anything you want when you want?

And it has nothing to do with casual or hardcore, the most hardcore player will have to play as many games as the most casual one to get the same results, given the same performance, or are you suggesting that if someone plays 1 hour a day he shuold get ships as fast as someone that plays 8 hours?

If you feel so strongly against the grind you always have the option to convert gold to credits, it's probably the most inefficient way of spending them but you can. Remember that WG is not a charity and making you pay to ease the grind it's the way they make money out of the game, without the grind there is no money and without money there is no game.

 

On the topic of support roles having little rewards, i can agree with spotters needing some love like in WoT, especially those that hunt down those annoying destroyers, but AA? You want to be showered with exp and credits for staying next to a BB or a CV and watching TV while your automatic guns killing planes? Planes kills are a nice addition to your rewards if you get them while you fight other ships but it shuoldn't encourage people only do that the whole game.

And don't think that covering people automatically means you are some great teamplayer that greatly increases the victory chances of his team; if you keep alive someone that snipes from 20km with a battleship and ends the game with 10k damage done you are only hurting your team, the sensible thing to do is to let CVs eat him alive and use the time his death buys you to get something useful done (this is only a random example so please don't feel personally attacked). If you are doing some sensible covering to someone that is actively engaging people at the proper range you will get you rewards, because you will be close enough to be firing you own guns, or torps, on the enemy ships.