Recreating battles of WWII

[Captain_Riley]

This is a question/idea for the developers, testers and senior players. The possible introduction of a story mode, to recreate the major battles and theaters of World War II. From Pearl Harbor all the way to the Japanese home islands. The battles could either be partially scripted for a single Division so that 8-10 other players won't mess up your campaign or all out co-op. A heavier emphasis on tactics, with constant reminders on what type of ship should play which role in each engagement. From a battleship player placed solely on the bombardment of Iwo Jima, to a destroyer player sent to skirmish IJN battleships at Surigao Straight, to IJN Carriers launching wave after wave at Hawaii, etc. I think it would attract a lot of players plus it would add variety next to Co-Op and Random Battle modes.

[Philipp_ab_exterminatore]

Would really like to have a story mode which you could play in divisions but sadly I dont think this will ever happen

[Fruitinator]

If it were to happend then it will be a long time untill we see it, but it would be a fun if they prehaps made it co-op and you prehaps got a "Historical battle" once per tier and ship (if possible ofc, cant see the Montana be a part of this xD) so that you could play in historical battles.

[Cogency]

I would like to see more maps inspired by real world locations and I am sure they will come in time. However, WoW excels as a competitive multi-player game specifically because it's been designed to be such. Those mechanics won't necessarily translate into a compelling single player experience.

 

For example, sitting off the coast of Iwo Jima in my battleship and bombarding static emplacements might sound awesome to a tiny fraction of players that love re-enacting. However is likely going to be a particularly dull experience for the vast majority.

[ax3man]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

dont you ever mention such "ideas" to wargaming! 

they once tried "world of tanks" historical battles. how did it go? well, comparing that mode to world of warplanes: at least wowp wasnt removed 

[_Buck_Kite_]

If we are to have historical battles can we have Mers-el-Kébir.... All RN ships are allowed to sink French ships with no penalty

 

[VonVolks]

whats the point as this isnt a "real" based game, apart from the pretty ships....

[Tuccy]

Back in Alpha we actually did it, using training rooms. Results were often fun - our first two were War Plan Orange themed, first with a skirmish of light units (Clemsons galore) and second with two divisions of Omahas protecting four fleet oilers (played by Langleys) from a Japanese destroyer squadron. 

 

The last one was recreating the Night Battle off Guadalcanal. Ended up counterfactually - at close quarters we pushed, fast traverse of Bensons just ripped Fubukis and Kageros apart, especially in the dense smoke cloud ... And Atlantas and New Orleanses finished the two Kongos. However... That was before armor worked properly ;)

 

In any case yes, we think about ways how to get various cool historical content into the game - though if WoT HB showed anything, amount of people who like kinda historical matchup may be big, but amount of people willing to take a weak vehicle for this purpose is very low 

[TakeOff13]

Could be good ideea some historycal missions... USN vs IJN ships...

[DumbleDerp]

 

 

In any case yes, we think about ways how to get various cool historical content into the game - though if WoT HB showed anything, amount of people who like kinda historical matchup may be big, but amount of people willing to take a weak vehicle for this purpose is very low 

 

 

That would be awesome and might be a really good use of the cp-op play to avoid the difficulties of everyone jumping into the OP ships - just a thought. Although I suppose the battle size would be an issues.

 

Battle of the River Plate for example - 4 ships. 3 British, 1 German.

[Cheaterhater]

In any case yes, we think about ways how to get various cool historical content into the game - though if WoT HB showed anything, amount of people who like kinda historical matchup may be big, but amount of people willing to take a weak vehicle for this purpose is very low 

 

I think if you offered an incentive to play the weaker ships, it might work. Higher experience/credits rewards would be a no-brainer, of course, but I'm rather thinking about unique signal flags or other rewards that you can't get elsewhere. I'm sure you can think of something to get the people to play those battles after all 

 

Also, do you have any plans for historical battles including the soon-to-be-purchased Tirpitz? I mean, just camping in a fjord and doing nothing will surely satisfy a lot of players, and they would not even need an excuse anymore 

[beani5003]

Back in Alpha we actually did it, using training rooms. Results were often fun - our first two were War Plan Orange themed, first with a skirmish of light units (Clemsons galore) and second with two divisions of Omahas protecting four fleet oilers (played by Langleys) from a Japanese destroyer squadron. 

 

The last one was recreating the Night Battle off Guadalcanal. Ended up counterfactually - at close quarters we pushed, fast traverse of Bensons just ripped Fubukis and Kageros apart, especially in the dense smoke cloud ... And Atlantas and New Orleanses finished the two Kongos. However... That was before armor worked properly ;)

 

In any case yes, we think about ways how to get various cool historical content into the game - though if WoT HB showed anything, amount of people who like kinda historical matchup may be big, but amount of people willing to take a weak vehicle for this purpose is very low 

 

just give us night battles, we will be happy, you've just admitted that they are doable, so come on WG, please, for the love of jebus

[Takeda92]

Yeah, you make USN destroyers counter IJN destroyers than can't even move their turrets and then you put them up in a battle together? sounds like a good way to satisfy the ego of the majority of NA players!

[Ecotech]

 

The last one was recreating the Night Battle off Guadalcanal. Ended up counterfactually - at close quarters we pushed, fast traverse of Bensons just ripped Fubukis and Kageros apart, especially in the dense smoke cloud ... And Atlantas and New Orleanses finished the two Kongos. However... That was before armor worked properly ;)

 

 

 

Yes, that was before armor worked properly - but it was also before HE started burning like crazy. I'd still say that New Orleans + Atlanta vs Kongo would come out at an admittedly slight advantage for the US side.

[Psychocouac]

If we are to have historical battles can we have Mers-el-Kébir.... All RN ships are allowed to sink French ships with no penalty

I really don't understand why people find this battle so lulz. Pearl Harbour was the exact same thing you know ? So make fun of murricans for once, we will see if they find that as funny as yours. 

[Devantejah]

 

just give us night battles, we will be happy, you've just admitted that they are doable, so come on WG, please, for the love of jebus

 

It was obviously done in daytime, just the battle was recreated.

[Historynerd]

If we talk about recreating surface battles with major warships (from destroyer upwards), we had plenty in the Mediterranean, between the RN and the RM.

[Lorak_Vanadius]

Getting hystorial battles would be a great deal for the game

[DumbleDerp]

So just out of interest - What historical battles would people be interested in seeing in the game?

 

I guess I'll try go a little out there and with some of the earlier ships, some of the battles during the Battle of Jutland would be interesting to see, while providing a lot of room for players to take on ship roles.

[Siagor]

So just out of interest - What historical battles would people be interested in seeing in the game?

 

I guess I'll try go a little out there and with some of the earlier ships, some of the battles during the Battle of Jutland would be interesting to see, while providing a lot of room for players to take on ship roles.

 

Jutland, Leyte Gulf, Tsushima, Midway, Samar...

 

just no Pearl Harbor - it was NOT a naval battle, but an air bombardment of the port.

 

EDIT

and of course, a small scale Battle of the Denmark Strait:

Hood and Prince of Wales vs Bismarck and Prinz Eugen

[Historynerd]

How about Punta Stilo? That wasn't exactly a small naval battle, although it wasn't fought to the end by either part.

[Darky_007]

you don't need historical battles or campaign

But some real new Map, that is another story

 

[Historynerd]

you don't need historical battles or campaign

But some real new Map, that is another story

 

 

I think that one vital part of this is also split teams, i.e. teams with only American ships, for example.

[Crow_Eschatologist]

Back in Alpha we actually did it, using training rooms. Results were often fun - our first two were War Plan Orange themed, first with a skirmish of light units (Clemsons galore) and second with two divisions of Omahas protecting four fleet oilers (played by Langleys) from a Japanese destroyer squadron. 

 

The last one was recreating the Night Battle off Guadalcanal. Ended up counterfactually - at close quarters we pushed, fast traverse of Bensons just ripped Fubukis and Kageros apart, especially in the dense smoke cloud ... And Atlantas and New Orleanses finished the two Kongos. However... That was before armor worked properly ;)

 

In any case yes, we think about ways how to get various cool historical content into the game - though if WoT HB showed anything, amount of people who like kinda historical matchup may be big, but amount of people willing to take a weak vehicle for this purpose is very low 

 

 

FYI In WoT HB it was the crappy matchmaking as much as anything, I spent nearly an hour queued at primetime in my SU-76 just after HB release and a game never dropped for me. My t5 meds were fairly quick as were the t7+ vehicles. The other problem with the matchmaking was weighting T-34s that were pretty much stock with next to no APCR equally against Panzer IVs with a decent 7.5cm gun and Stugs, leading to some woefully balanced games (ISU-122 matched against Tiger 2s and T-34s matched against Panzer IVs and Stugs) in which one side had to be effectively braindead to lose.

 

The US vs Germany was better as you had Howitzer armed Shermans that could chip away at the Tigers and if you didn't get too many idiots piloting Hellcats (crying about the lack of their 90mm) and a competent Jackson or 2 the games could be quite fair - but even then the matchmaker would herp, games where you have 3 105mm Shermans and a crowd of 76mm armed Hellcats vs 2 Tiger 2s + compently played support were pretty much unwinnable.

 

tl;dr - the concept was great, the implemented mm weighting was total dirge

 

I played quite a few of the UK vs Germany games as well with the low tier vehicles - these were a lot better, but at that point the damage had been done and noone was bothering to queue any more.

 

[Edit] And I really wanted HBs to be a thing, as there were no arty with their parasitic mechanics in HB games!

[Captain_Riley]

Leyte Gulf would be a MAJOR, multi-stage engagement. Kinda like Rush mode in Battlefield 3. I would personally love to sail up the English Channel with my Texas and support Allied landings in Normandy, or shell the multitude of islands in the Pacific with the West Virginia or Pennsylvania supporting the Marines, etc.

 

As said by many other players, night battles, weather effects, storms, rough seas, even hurricanes would be a wonderful addition, next to of course real-world locations recreated as faithfully as the ships (for the most part).