Izumo- the joke at tier 9

[SmartassNoob]

Played 3 battles with it and survived only 1 (the most recent, after most of the upgrades). That one was also the only one where I managed to make credits instead of lose them. Made about 37000. One other time I lost about 100000. The "win ratio", which the game seems to think is important, but which is out of an individual players control, is still 100%.

 

Current upgrades:

• Captain: "Expert marksman" (turret rotation speed upgrade), "Basics of survivability", "Fire prevention".
• Ship exterior: "Type 19" (the permanent camouflage). This ought to help minimize damage and get me closer to Yamato faster. My only other ship with camouflage is the Mikasa. I don't use flags on general principal.
• Modules: "Hull B". I free XPd my way past hull A before a single battle, because of this ships reputation.
• Upgrades: "Main armament 1" (because I've heard the turrets get knocked out too easily), "Aiming systems 1" (to reduce the dispersion, which was terrible at first), "Main battery 3" (reloads faster and rotates slower), "Damage control 1", "Damage control 2", "Target acquisition 1" (+20% to spotting torpedoes).

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

The real joke is on those who paid 3k doubloons for the perm camo. 

 

I simply can't see any reason why anyone would stay on this ship when the Yam exists. Yam plays very similar except it's guns do not care about armour or angling enemy ships.

[SmartassNoob]

Bump! Things I've noticed about it:

 

• It seems to me that the Izumo needs to cause about 40'000 damage to break the credits even if the ship is destroyed in the battle.
• The dispersion is such that you need to be with in cruiser torpedo range to do any damage, unless you get lucky by having that 1 shot that hits be a citadel/fire.
• It turns like an oil tanker, so if there's gonna be any torpedoes, at least a half of them will always hit.
• As listed in my previous post, I have the main armament upgrade module and the rumor about its turrets being too weak is not true. They seem about as strong as on other BBs.
• I don't know if hull C is any better than hull B. I haven't tried the C yet. The difference is that the C hull removes 2 of the big secondary turrets and replaces them with 4 more of those heavy AA turrets. In my experience, the secondary guns can't ever be useful, because all secondary and AA turrets will always be destroyed long before the ship would get close enough to use them, unless you're still high on health and are determined to get close to someone at full speed, or something (aka suicide mission). More AA guns might be a good idea, but aircraft carriers are nearly extinct, so I keep waiting for a situation where some dumb DD tries to sneak up on me from the rear.

 

This ship seems to be some kind of a tier 7.5 BC.

[GhostRiderMax123]

I played it a bit then got fed up with it and got the Yam with free XP..........it was a lot less stressful.....

[tudor391]

The izumo has better armor than the iowa, the problem is that it doesn't matter since you are angled neither will get penned, if you are unangled both will get cita-deleted.

Personally i understood a couple of things when playing it.

 

Don't go for a full secondary build you lose so much dispersion and your guns will be taken out by iowas very easly, personally i went for a partial secondary build on it. I took the aft and man secondaries and that's it. this with the flag will get you 9.6 km in range and still good accuracy for secondaries, while having amazing dispersion. I also took the conceilment mod because being spotted from the other side of the map sucks when you are trying to hide behind an island from he (getting det down to a more confortable 16.7km). I also chose to go for better rudder shift (i prefer maneuvering to bow on tanking) and better firing rate mod for the secondaries, you might choose to improve aa or get a better main battery reload.

 

How you play it, it depends to what you are up against.

The ideal scenario is, small independent skirmishes where you can push and use the secondaries. but when the team is concentrated and you see lots of bow on bbs or german bbs don't hesitate to use he, it deals a lot and i mean a LOT of damage (even 20k a salvo + a couple of fires), he is also usefull for knocking out pesky torp lauchers (if you aim correctly, altho they have a pretty big aoe)

[SmartassNoob]

I think they've changed how much credits are provided, or something. I just finished a battle where the ship got only 10% damage and caused about 60000 damage and still lost about 10000 money.

[RedStorm1]

I think they've changed how much credits are provided, or something. I just finished a battle where the ship got only 10% damage and caused about 60000 damage and still lost about 10000 money.

 

you guessed right, since last patch, there is no repair cost (depending on damage done to your ship).

There is service cost instead, a fixed amount independent on whether your ship received damage or got completely destroyed, the cost is the same.

 

[Affeks]

What does Izumo have... Slower than all other same tier BBs, its big and easy to hit/set fire to, armor is actually surprisingly bad, gun arcs terrible, even though she has the same amount of guns as Iowa (and worse dmg and pen) Izumo has 1.8 sigma while Iowa has 1.9 afaik, crappy AA, bad manouverability, fat, horrible secondary arcs (and AP shells on 155mm), worst dmg con of all nations, bad detection, no turtleback like FdG and least HP of the tier. 

 

Guns=worse than Iowa (has IJN accuracy on long ranges, but thats only till 10km, Iowa still has 1.9 sigma so if this is actually better is debateble)

Secondaries=worse than FdG

Durability=worse than FdG and arguably worse than Iowa

Speed and manouverability=worse than both FdG and Iowa

AA=worse than Iowa

Concealment=worse than Iowa

 

So tell me, what is keeping WG from buffing Izumo or nerfing the others?

[SmartassNoob]

So tell me, what is keeping WG from buffing Izumo or nerfing the others?

There need to be bad ships so there could be good ships. If all ships were the same, there would be no "good" and "bad". Would you really want high tier battles to be the same as the current tier 1 battles where everyone plays the same ship?

 

There is service cost instead, a fixed amount independent on whether your ship received damage or got completely destroyed, the cost is the same.

Does that amount depend on anything at all?

[deadly_if_swallowed]

Not sure what exactly happened to Izumo, or when, but by now she has become quite the dreadful enemy to me. At long range she does not have much difficulty punching my Iowa's citadel through the deck/turret (not sure where exactly but it's plunging fire nonetheless), at closer range her bow armor seems stronger than before, and she does not have much superstructure to shoot at with lower caliber guns.

 

Still not my first choice for a T9 BB due to the turret placement and rather poor maneuverability, but she certainly is not as weak as people say.

And come on, there are only a handful of ships whose AA is better or on par with Iowa, most of them T10.

[maderi]

idk i just got izumo and my 1st game with it ship totally stock i did like 80k damage , i know is far from good buy i expected much worse , in fact even bulky and slow i like it

 

[VeteranGamer84]

Izumo is good ship, But, It's damn ugly!

[Aotearas]

Ship is cursed for me, guess the game just doesn't want me to get the Yamato. 22k average damage after 4 games.

 

Naturally most of that is due to punishing MM setting me up in a game with three enemy Yamato BBs that just lolpen me 24/7 or the kind of interesting teamwork that leaves you in a 2vs1 against a Gearing and a Shimakaze ...

 

Though I do have to note that the guns on the Izumo are very underwhelming. Very erratic dispersion and apparently that thing just overpenetrates everything. At least the turrets actually turn so there's at least something good about the ship as far as I can tell from my first impression.

[Bladenite]

I still like the furutaka, play it like aoba, myoko and youre good as gold as the cruisers u face at that tier have piss poor armor

[Aschwell]

There are not many ships that are bad in this game tbh. Izumo is one of my best BBs stats wise maybe the best on higher tiers.

 

 

The ships armor is very good when properly angled too (except Yama LOLpen) but the rest is no probs dealing with.

 

Tell me any BB other than German that is not easily rekt when showing broadside even Yamato has that problem and is not invincible. Bad players always find something to complain about. Learn and adapt. I hated Fuso early on after Kongo, but then I realized it was me not the ship, now my stats are quite strong in the ship and I find it to be the strongest in T6 bracket. Same as Colorado didn´t like it at first then I adapted to it quickly and really enjoyed it.

 

As I said very few ships are bad in this game, especially BBs since they crapon cruisers totally with competent aim. Players need to adapt and knowing how to play a BB in the first place, let´s say can be very handy for you.

[Affeks]

There are not many ships that are bad in this game tbh. Izumo is one of my best BBs stats wise maybe the best on higher tiers.

 

 

The ships armor is very good when properly angled too (except Yama LOLpen) but the rest is no probs dealing with.

 

 

Tell me any BB other than German that is not easily rekt when showing broadside even Yamato has that problem and is not invincible. Bad players always find something to complain about. Learn and adapt. I hated Fuso early on after Kongo, but then I realized it was me not the ship, now my stats are quite strong in the ship and I find it to be the strongest in T6 bracket. Same as Colorado didn´t like it at first then I adapted to it quickly and really enjoyed it.

 

 

As I said very few ships are bad in this game, especially BBs since they crapon cruisers totally with competent aim. Players need to adapt and knowing how to play a BB in the first place, let´s say can be very handy for you.

 

Nice way to just brush a huge number of stats and arguments under the rug and go with the "U suck git gud" argument... Yes few ships are "bad" in wows since unlike for example WoT you can actually do something in all the ships no matter the matchup as long as played correctly. Player skill is super important as you imply, but that still does not mean ships cant be worse/better than others. The fact remains that Izumo has worse winrate than the other tier IX BBs and I can't find what makes the ship shine in any way the other 2 ships can't. You can still master a ship and get good win rates, like you have, but that just makes you good... the ship is still bad and the numbers reflect that

[Pupu_prpr]

I made a stream highlight of an Izumo game I played tonight on my stream, might help some of you here.  A very close and quite tense game where I focused hard on countering every move the enemy made and exploiting it to turn the game into our favor. Shows how much reading your opponent and predicting their moves helps your own game.

 

[giannisww]

The yamato with the new perm camo is the best

[Aschwell]

 

Nice way to just brush a huge number of stats and arguments under the rug and go with the "U suck git gud" argument... Yes few ships are "bad" in wows since unlike for example WoT you can actually do something in all the ships no matter the matchup as long as played correctly. Player skill is super important as you imply, but that still does not mean ships cant be worse/better than others. The fact remains that Izumo has worse winrate than the other tier IX BBs and I can't find what makes the ship shine in any way the other 2 ships can't. You can still master a ship and get good win rates, like you have, but that just makes you good... the ship is still bad and the numbers reflect that

 

I don´t mean to brush off players I am no Unicum and don´t have an elitist thinking if that´s the correct word for it. But I´m little bit tired of people who blaim some ships becuase they can´t adapt to the playstyle. Yes It´s one fo the hardest ships to adapt for the players but it doesn´t make the ship bad still as you state and many others. Ask Flamu as he poasted I don´t think in now way that he thinks the Izumo is a bad ship.

 

 

As I said just because most of the player base are struggling with Izumo doesn´t make it bad in my eyes. The ship is simply harder to adapt to then what you had before in the line and many cannot make that transition to a different playstyle. It´s good that every ship isn´t as easy to play as German BB´s for example I like that. Challenges are good for the players own skill training. Honestly in many regards the Yamato doesn´t always use it´s back guns and points nose in many times so you get that concept from Izumo which is good. Also as soon as you get to the NC in the US BB line they also start pointing nose in as the Izumo, funny that poeple don´t complain to that playstyle which is quite different from the line before you get NC.

[Affeks]

 

I don´t mean to brush off players I am no Unicum and don´t have an elitist thinking if that´s the correct word for it. But I´m little bit tired of people who blaim some ships becuase they can´t adapt to the playstyle. Yes It´s one fo the hardest ships to adapt for the players but it doesn´t make the ship bad still as you state and many others. Ask Flamu as he poasted I don´t think in now way that he thinks the Izumo is a bad ship.

 

 

As I said just because most of the player base are struggling with Izumo doesn´t make it bad in my eyes. The ship is simply harder to adapt to then what you had before in the line and many cannot make that transition to a different playstyle. It´s good that every ship isn´t as easy to play as German BB´s for example I like that. Challenges are good for the players own skill training. Honestly in many regards the Yamato doesn´t always use it´s back guns and points nose in many times so you get that concept from Izumo which is good. Also as soon as you get to the NC in the US BB line they also start pointing nose in as the Izumo, funny that poeple don´t complain to that playstyle which is quite different from the line before you get NC.

 

I do agree with Flamu 97% of the time, this time I totally disagree with him. That game he posted and the one he posted a few weeks ago were much more defined by his skill rather than the ship itself. The only real good thing about the Izumo is the guns, but even those are arguably only on par with Iowa. The thing is tho, if you position well and aim well you can punish any ship with guns like those on Izumo. The thing is tho the same could be done with Iowa even easier with that 33 knot speed, while still being safer with that AA, better protected against HE spam with that smaller frame and easier to bow on Yamatos or dodge torps with that thin frame. I still don't see anything that can be done with Izumo that other tier IXs can do better or just as well. 

[Raziel_Walker]

Just got both the Amagi and the North Carolina. 

After just a few games in the NC I wish I could skip the Amagi because the Izumo has the same setup as the NC with 2 forward facing turrets making it easy to angle. Amagi is just like Fuso 2.0 which is nice if you face lower tiers but punishing against skilled and higher tier players.

[EdiJo]

Just got both the Amagi and the North Carolina. 

After just a few games in the NC I wish I could skip the Amagi because the Izumo has the same setup as the NC with 2 forward facing turrets making it easy to angle. Amagi is just like Fuso 2.0 which is nice if you face lower tiers but punishing against skilled and higher tier players.

 

Amagi is more forgiving and easier to play. NCal is doomed when you are approached from more than one direction without cover - even slight glimpse of broadside and kaboom, 10-30k less. Also very fragile to torps.

In Amagi you can eat many more torps and even quite a broadside doesn't mean instant citadel (unlike Fuso). NCal is more dependent on support (division with a cruiser/gunboat, preferably smoking... ).

But NCal is not afraid of planes - Amagi has weaker AA and is much longer. Having 5 turrets and stronger secondaries Amagi deals much better with DD.

NCal is quite stealthy though ;)

 

Choice is not obvious...

 

[Affeks]

There need to be bad ships so there could be good ships. If all ships were the same, there would be no "good" and "bad". Would you really want high tier battles to be the same as the current tier 1 battles where everyone plays the same ship?

ehh you seem to have a deep misunderstanding of everything both implied and gameplay wise. You need to differentiate between "same" and "good or bad". Good or bad implies the difference in balance. Same implies ships have the same characteristics or quirks. I never intended for ships to be the same, with same speed, guns, secondaries etc. What I simply wanted was to give Izumo at least something its good at. As I said earlier was that the other tier 9s has everything Izumo has and more. So where does that leave Izumo, well in the dirt with bad quirks with little to nothing redeeming about her. 

[sweeperdw]

Ok this is my moment to share my "mighty thoughts" (OK don't laugh too much). Firstly, it's a fact, the dear old Izumo is tricky to play. I completely tricked mine out with free XP before even one battle. To tell the truth, she can actually be quite fun to play if you're in the mood for a challenge. I still like her enough to keep, but here's where things get a bit murky. I found that mostly I have played with pretty bad teams when I have played with her. Now I am being honest, I am not a brilliant player, in truth I am very average, but on loosing I have found myself one of the top three players..... I have made money ( a small amount of credits) with her almost every match but my wins statistic has ranged between 30 and 38 or so percent.

A lot of people say that Izumo is the cash cow of World of Warships and I can understand this, after all wargaming provides us withg a great free game and needs to make it's money somewhere. Chatting with friends (my son and his friends too), many of whom are much better players than me, I find that my wins statistic is far from unique. My conclusion is that although the Izzy is not the greatest BB in the game there is a match making issue here as well. I don't know if match making is slightly weighted for the Izumo, but I suspect it might be possible.

Like most I chose to free XP my way to Yamato. It's a shame about the Izzy but Wargaming needs to make it's money somewhere I suppose and I shouldn't moan too much, I get hours of fun playing!

[BruceForce]

I am still in my Amagi, close to the Izumo, and I am already saving up on free xp. It's not enough to skip the Izumo completely, but I should have enough to get all hulls at once...question is whether I play her with flags, special camo etc so that the grind should be very quick, or convert free xp (then I'd have to pay) and just skip it...