*sigh* this is why CV's get a bad rep.

[Deathmaw]

Just had a game where a carrier on my team spent the entire game moaning that he had no cover despite the fact that he sat at spawn and didn't move with the fleet. The other CV on our team stayed with the fleet and lived a lot longer.

 

He spent the rest of the game moaning that its a cruisers job to sit next to him and cover him.

 

I wish more carriers realized that they are mobile and are not in fact stationary airfields.

[ironhammer500]

Just had a game where a carrier on my team spent the entire game moaning that he had no cover despite the fact that he sat at spawn and didn't move with the fleet. The other CV on our team stayed with the fleet and lived a lot longer.

 

He spent the rest of the game moaning that its a cruisers job to sit next to him and cover him.

 

I wish more carriers realized that they are mobile and are not in fact stationary airfields.

 

Amen i as a Cruiser wont sit by a stationary Carrier all game babysitting him, and if planes come along not bother to dodge torps...not going to waste my time with a Carrier who wont bother. I normally spend the first 2-3 mins protecting my carriers from the epic plane bum rush that always happens...but if the carrier cba to move or dodge stuff im not gonna bother defend him...

[ParEx]

Lots of CVs just want to have fun and do their thing while they exspect everyone else working for them like it was in RL. This is a game, CVs have fighters not only to spot but to fight other planes. And if they see Bombers incoming to their location for gods sake take them down.

Its not like the obvious game-start-CV-hunt is something new when playing CV.

 

In my Atlanta for example I often protect our CV the first minutes, but I dont sit there fpr 20mins. Yesterday I took down the first 2 Squads trying to bomb our CV. 13 planes down, there was no other attack in him after that.

 

Plus: When they cry about no protection: how often do you see CVs protecting the teams BBs from bombers? They dont care for the team either, so why should we? The only reason they send their fighters is to protect their own attacks, not to protect the teams ships.

[Broevaharo]

Just had a game where a carrier on my team spent the entire game moaning that he had no cover despite the fact that he sat at spawn and didn't move with the fleet. The other CV on our team stayed with the fleet and lived a lot longer.

 

He spent the rest of the game moaning that its a cruisers job to sit next to him and cover him.

 

I wish more carriers realized that they are mobile and are not in fact stationary airfields.

 

A good Cv player won't sit stationary and sail along with the main fleet so everyone can do their tasks in the best way

So if this guy didn't get AA cover he deserved not to get AA cover

[Hannibalurg]

CV's should allways stay far in the rear of the largest zerg, not only for AA, but also so it's not easy for DD's to sneak up, pop smoke and lay waste with torpedos. And no ship should be stationary, no matter what class. So don't feel bad. But if CV captain asks for air cover, do so for the first/ 2nd run. If the CV captain still haven't killed anyone after he popped his 2nd wave it's no reason to defend him.

[Deathmaw]

Oh no he wasn't moaning about the planes killing him. He was moaning about a DD killing him. It sailed across the whole map. That is how long he was sat there not moving.

[Ubertron_X]

Have fun following your team / zerg in a Langley or Bogue...

 

(nonetheless you should at least try to do so)

 

 

[havaduck]

Have fun following your team / zerg in a Langley or Bogue...

 

(nonetheless you should at least try to do so)

 

 

 

exactly, its difficult but better than nothing. I seldom play my Langley but when I do at least I try to move with the fleet .... and sooner or later I am going to get something that CAN keep up and ... well, things learned along the way, then.

 

€: Also I do stronly hope that there is at least a enemy CV in the game also ..... so the team that abandons their CV gets some redemption as well. ^^

 

Got a friendly IJN T6 CV a few games back ..... facing a enemy Hiryu ...(t7 IJN  thingy) launching a full scale assault .... idiot drives in the OPPOSITE direction of his only hope - me, in a Cleveland AND the whole other fleet. Yet I was able to get there in time and deter enemy planes from even trying to attack ....

 

Someone talking about getting a bad reward for shooting down planes? How about nothing, because they were scared off ...

 

And yes, nothing, no thank you, no chat responses at all. Later he chose to blue-line rather than staying with the fleet. Again no chat-responses from him. As you would expect a enemy DD came through, wich I had to sink, unfortunately because the DD also threatened friendly BB, otherwise I would have let him though ......

 

 

Lets recap: No reward for babysitting, far away from the action - TWICE, and most importantly: not even a lousy thank you. 

 

 

[raur0s]

Had the same experience yesterday, a CV complained half the match about me only farming XP and not helping the CVs when I killed the only enemy Langley. Funny how the other CV ended up with top XP while he was on the bottom.

[simonmd]

Yes, totaly agree with the OP. I've been playing alot as a CV lately and its very selfish to expect 1 or more ships to just spend their entire game sat next to you while the rest are fighting. Sure, in the real world, a CV would ALWAYS have a dedicated escort but this is A GAME and we're supposed to be having FUN! There need to be a bit more give and take, yes, the CVs should expect some backup but they also need to stay close enough to the fleet so they can reasonably provide it. This is part of the skill in playing these, you have to keep juggling what the AC are doing alongside what your ship is doing in relation to the fleet.

 

Another point to make is that from the upgraded T5 Bogue upwards, CVs have pretty decent AA guns, so by staying closer to the fleet (still behind of course), youre actually giving THEM some protection as well!

[Iron_Gekko]

as a CV you should be able to take care of yourself, if you chose a strike package that makes you defenseless then that's you're problem.

 

As a competitive CV player I stick by the fleet as much as possible, if I am completely outclassed by the enemy teams CV's I always ask politely for a CA to stay with me for a few minutes as they normally give up trying to sink you if their whole first air wave gets shot down.

[goodman528]

I wish more carriers realized that they are mobile and are not in fact stationary airfields.

 

If stationary airfield on the island is a playable class, I think it would be the most popular.

[Eshaede]

funny how people turn this around

 

you know all those BB players crying about no cover ? its cos CV is having to defend himself

people crying cos you arent spotting targets for them ? it cos the CV is having to defend himself

 

so many people who dont understand how teamwork functions its quite laughable.

 

when im in a cruiser, im invariably covering A) the cv -IF- its out-tiered, or out numbered,or B) the largest BB we have

 

when im in a CV i usually ask for cover if, again, ive been out-tiered, or outnumbered. usually people go "nah, feck off, cba, i want to sail off" followed by "OGM WHERE IS SPOTTING?!!?" , and "OGM WHERE ARE FIGHTERS IM GETTING BOBMED!!!!" and so forth. i usually do 1 run, if i get hit by air, or sea, i withdraw all cover and play for myself to stay alive.

 

you dont play (usually A FLAK CRUISER) to babysit a CV ? fine

i dont play a CV to keep YOU alive. you get torp-bomber spammed, why should i care ?

 

[GinNoKatana]

As a CV player I try to stick to the fleet or the portion of it with most aa and easiest to follow.

 

If cruisers stay close to me, I use my fighters to defend other ships, if not, I'll sure as hell keep my fighters with me. If I am defenceless and get taken out by enemy bombers, my fighters won't help anyone anymore after all.

[Valkyrie_7]

I tend to stay immobile till I figure out where my team is going or which flank is not going to get murdered (this can last up to a few minutes). Then I simply follow the fleet from cover to cover. If both flanks are doing good, I may simply move forward so my planes don't have to circle the planet to get rearmed. I ended up capping points in domination and bases in standard mode on a few occasions. If enormous enemy air force is expected, I ask for some AA to fend off 1st wave. I regularly have division-mate in a cruiser anyway, so I don't even have to ask for cover all that often. If said air force is seen ignoring me and going for other ships, I tell my escort that I should be fine. And in some cases I deeply regret it sometime later. ^^

 

I always feel like I am failing to intercept enemy bombers when in fact my fighters were just fighting something on the other side of the map. Still feels like they just ignore teammates. Anyone else gets that feeling? You just intercepted let's say a bunch of fighters and divers somewhere and then another CV (let's say it's 2v2) torps friendly BB elsewhere. And you feel like crap for not being there with air cover. :/

 

As a side note, air superiority setups on USN CVs seem like ultimate fleet support. Lotsa fighters to fend off bombers and some divers to snipe DDs. What else can you ask from life?

[Eshaede]

I tend to stay immobile till I figure out where my team is going or which flank is not going to get murdered (this can last up to a few minutes). Then I simply follow the fleet from cover to cover. If both flanks are doing good, I may simply move forward so my planes don't have to circle the planet to get rearmed. I ended up capping points in domination and bases in standard mode on a few occasions. If enormous enemy air force is expected, I ask for some AA to fend off 1st wave. I regularly have division-mate in a cruiser anyway, so I don't even have to ask for cover all that often. If said air force is seen ignoring me and going for other ships, I tell my escort that I should be fine. And in some cases I deeply regret it sometime later. ^^

 

I always feel like I am failing to intercept enemy bombers when in fact my fighters were just fighting something on the other side of the map. Still feels like they just ignore teammates. Anyone else gets that feeling? You just intercepted let's say a bunch of fighters and divers somewhere and then another CV (let's say it's 2v2) torps friendly BB elsewhere. And you feel like crap for not being there with air cover. :/

 

As a side note, air superiority setups on USN CVs seem like ultimate fleet support. Lotsa fighters to fend off bombers and some divers to snipe DDs. What else can you ask from life?

 

yup

 

depends on attitude though, "hi guys, GL".. "can someone help" then yea, but its usually swearing pidgeon-english 12 years old questioning your parentage, then i just laugh at them

 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

Let's not forget that many - and I mean MANY! - players who started to drive around in CVs recently do that because "CVs are totally OP!!!!111eleven!" and usually know nothing about HOW to drive around in a CV.

I'm only a mediocre CV player at best, but even I sometimes would love to bump my head unto the keyboard when I see what those people do...

 

BUT - and it's a big but - often people offer advise in chat that doesn't help a bit to better the situation... stuff like...

 

• yelling at a Langley/Bogue player that he should keep up with the fleet. Sure Sir, I just start the magical CV speed boost and be with you right away...
• telling a CV player where to hide his ship... like, behind some island near the spawn (first place an enemy will look for a CV)... or at the map edge behind the spawn (so far away from the action - due to slow planes - that the CV will be utterly useless)...

 

 

[33rdAngel]

funny how people turn this around

 

you know all those BB players crying about no cover ? its cos CV is having to defend himself

people crying cos you arent spotting targets for them ? it cos the CV is having to defend himself

 

so many people who dont understand how teamwork functions its quite laughable.

 

when im in a cruiser, im invariably covering A) the cv -IF- its out-tiered, or out numbered,or B) the largest BB we have

 

when im in a CV i usually ask for cover if, again, ive been out-tiered, or outnumbered. usually people go "nah, feck off, cba, i want to sail off" followed by "OGM WHERE IS SPOTTING?!!?" , and "OGM WHERE ARE FIGHTERS IM GETTING BOBMED!!!!" and so forth. i usually do 1 run, if i get hit by air, or sea, i withdraw all cover and play for myself to stay alive.

 

you dont play (usually A FLAK CRUISER) to babysit a CV ? fine

i dont play a CV to keep YOU alive. you get torp-bomber spammed, why should i care ?

 

 

BRAVO call it exactly as it is, I think its so funny to watch as your team of 2/3 Atlanta Cruisers & 1/2 other AA capable cruisers sail off to the extreme left/right of the map right from the start solo not even covering CVs or BBs. As a Carrier I try to take out the most dangerous enemy vessels the enemy carrier/carriers right from the start with a concentrated strike, ok the enemy carrier may get 1 strike off but his planes have nowhere to land if I can sink him. Strange how very often the enemy carrier seems guarded by a minimum of 1 AA capable cruiser.

To be perfectly blunt gentlemen "Learn the lesson from history" in WW2 the US learned after Pearl Harbour ALL warships were subordinate to the carriers their sole purpose was to protect the carrier. The Task Forces were formed around the carriers 1/2 CVs 1/2 heavily AA armed battleships the faster and newer the better, many AA cruisers {Atlanta Class preferable} and a long distance picket of AA armed light cruisers and Destroyers. So this post is redundant because as usual with quite a lot of posters here you have no grasp of history or reality for that matter.

PS I do think a carrier should move but to move with the rest of the team just exposes the carrier to the risk of enemy shellfire or carrier planes it has no need to take.

[goodman528]

funny how people turn this around

 

you know all those BB players crying about no cover ? its cos CV is having to defend himself

people crying cos you arent spotting targets for them ? it cos the CV is having to defend himself

 

so many people who dont understand how teamwork functions its quite laughable.

 

when im in a cruiser, im invariably covering A) the cv -IF- its out-tiered, or out numbered,or B) the largest BB we have

 

when im in a CV i usually ask for cover if, again, ive been out-tiered, or outnumbered. usually people go "nah, feck off, cba, i want to sail off" followed by "OGM WHERE IS SPOTTING?!!?" , and "OGM WHERE ARE FIGHTERS IM GETTING BOBMED!!!!" and so forth. i usually do 1 run, if i get hit by air, or sea, i withdraw all cover and play for myself to stay alive.

 

you dont play (usually A FLAK CRUISER) to babysit a CV ? fine

i dont play a CV to keep YOU alive. you get torp-bomber spammed, why should i care ?

 

 

I agree.

 

As CV, when I'm against other CV(s) I often get a fast bomber or fighter squad up first and sacrifice it to recon enemy CV's loadouts and intentions, also where their team is going. However I find it frustrating when US CA doesn't cover me when enemy CVs are full strike load out or if there are no torpedo bombers visible which basically means they are going to attack me first. I also find it frustrating when team decides to go one way at the start, then when I see the enemy team is going the other way nobody turns around to fight, which results in short cap win game that doesn't give much credits and xp.

 

Another thing on team play, I like to keep a bomber/fighter squad over enemy DD at all times so my team can be safe from stealth torpedoes, but this means I sacrifice quite a bit of damage potential. Also in Hiryu and Shokaku I use 2-2-2 loadout a lot of the time to give the team some fighter cover, and when I use 0-3-3 I try to sink enemy CV first at all costs. Both of these things means I loose out on a lot of damage potential. When I play another class of ship I sometimes get very frustrated at my team's CV if he is just farming damage with strike loadout and not doing anything else for the team. Anybody can hit battleships, but only CV can scout DD risk free. Anybody can sink cruisers, but only CV can reach to other side of the map and sink enemy CV. It's just damage farming when the CV goes for easy targets all the time.

[Ascender]

only CV can scout DD risk free.

 

And they're very good exp too if you kill them!

 

Overall this topic amuses me. Every now and then I see a carrier player who just repeatedly sends his planes into the jaws of enemy AA and fighters without even attempting to play a bait and switch, just keeps sending them till they're all dead. This is another one of those types of people the OP reminds me of.

[Deathmaw]

Those complaints about not covering a CV only count if the CV is actually willing to move. All of our ships moved in one directiong including the 2nd carrier. The other carrier decided to remain at the spawn and basically not move at all and then moan when a destroyer came up to him and torped him. You can't expect the cruisers to sit in the spawn defending you when the rest of the fleet is moving off. Due to two things:

 

1.Either nothing comes at you at all in which case the cruisers gets no exp and no money while you fly your planes around getting kills.

2. Everything comes at you in the spawn you and the one or two cruisers get wrecked and die.

 

Both outcomes are bad. So it comes back to, if you want cover you need to make a compromise and move with the fleet. This has the bonus of shorter turn around times to get your planes into combat as well.

[Kenliero]

I use only bombers in my cv. I immediately send all 3 divebombers to scout the whole enemy team, and leave them bombing and spotting destroyers, then I focus my 3 torpedobombers to one specific enemy. I sail behind our main group. I dont mind sacrificing some DB, as long as it keeps destroyers spotted and enemy cv busy with his fighters, constantly trying to find passage for my torpedobombers to sneak in and kill. I play mostly IJN CV and if I see USN CV in enemy team, I advice our team to push a flank, so that their fighters can not control the center, and we can take fight to them, and my bombers can do max damage, with quick servicingtime

[Hounds]

I belive that one of the game tips, clearly states that the carrier should move. Otherwise it's easy to figure out from where all the planes are coming, i have had alot of games where the carrier is basically a part of the scenery.

So many infact that i get very suprised when they actually move along with other ships, those are often the games my team wins.

[allufewig]

 

you dont play (usually A FLAK CRUISER) to babysit a CV ? fine

i dont play a CV to keep YOU alive. you get torp-bomber spammed, why should i care ?

 

 

Ist an ambivalent relationship. if the CV isnt willing to move the CA isnt willing to protect. The cruiser has valuable guns/torps too and they should be brought into combat. A stationary failcarrier cannot expect cruisers to butt-sniff him.

 

Shielding from aerial attacks is best done a few km in front of the CV, spotting planes early, giving the carrier time to react himself, shooting planes before they dump their load, all while the CA is probably in range to use his guns on surface-targets as well.

 

 

[DaWyrm]

I always try to follow the largest chunk of the fleet but at a safe distance. Unfortunately I often loose track of what happens when i concentrate on attacking with my aircraft. So, when my planes are heading back for rearming the situation may have changed a lot and put me in harms way. This is something the team should consider about the CVs. CV-players often have their main focus somewhere else than on their ship, meaning they are always vulnerable to sneak-attacks.