Are DDs under performing

[kill_me_and_u_win_50euro]

Hi just wondered if there is any official stats that show how well dds are doing for damage  compared to other ships of the same tier.

[Flavio1997]

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[Broevaharo]

They do fine up to tier 5 and after that it gets worse, You can look at my stats if you want I'm up to tier 7 in the IJn and tier 6 on the US, researched the Fubuki yesterday but haven't played a game in it yet.

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/509817038-Broevaharo/#tab=pvp/account-tab-overview-pvp

 

There must be some official stats somewhere but I'm not sure where since I never look at them anyway so I base my findings on personal observation.

[Hannibalurg]

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150805a/average_ship.html

 

DD's are doing quite well, often even better then CV,BB,CA's at equal tier.

It's harder to play, more finesse, and require some skill. But i would't turn to this forum to find good DD advice, as i don't think any good DD drivers hangs around here.

 

[genai]

How did you get to that conclusion? I mean, according to page you linked... DDs are worst pretty much at all tiers, even T5 minekaze is worse or same as other classes at t5 (other than Furutaka, but thats to be expected from that crap)

 

Your posts really prove your last point tho up to the "no good DD players hang here"... as they clearly do

 

@Trollharo how are those guys considered good? They are bloody terrible...

[Broevaharo]

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150805a/average_ship.html

 

DD's are doing quite well, often even better then CV,BB,CA's at equal tier.

It's harder to play, more finesse, and require some skill. But i would't turn to this forum to find good DD advice, as i don't think any good DD drivers hangs around here.

 

 

Just wondering, do you get a kick out of putting other people down here on the forum or is it second nature to you ?

I know a couple of very, very good DD players here on the forum, just check their stats

 

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/507249023-Compobob/#tab=pvp/account-tab-overview-pvp

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/502295466-AnuSuaraj/#tab=pvp/account-tab-overview-pvp

[dumbo11]

Hi just wondered if there is any official stats that show how well dds are doing for damage  compared to other ships of the same tier.

Damage is a somewhat misleading statistic for comparing ship classes.

 

The stats that seem most useful for this are 'win-ratio' (how well the ship fulfills a role/how useful that role is) and (arguably) kills/match.  Using the Asian stats:

- the Minekaze is a beast of a ship, and arguably the best non-carrier at T5 (it's also the most played T5 ship).

- the IJN DD line after the Minekaze are underperforming.

- the USN DD line similarly goes a "bit wonky" at higher tiers (T8? although sample sizes are small).

- higher tier (8+) ship results have relatively low sample sizes, and may be misleading.

[Hedzik]

 

Just wondering, do you get a kick out of putting other people down here on the forum or is it second nature to you ?

I know a couple of very, very good DD players here on the forum, just check their stats

 

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/507249023-Compobob/#tab=pvp/account-tab-overview-pvp

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/502295466-AnuSuaraj/#tab=pvp/account-tab-overview-pvp

 

Sorry but they are not. 50 k dmg on op Minekaze is really low.

Check my dd's stats and compare them to other classes of ships.

[genai]

 

Sorry but they are not. 50 k dmg on op Minekaze is really low.

Check my dd's stats and compare them to other classes of ships.

 

Those 2 are pretty terrible I actually thought he posted it to troll... maybe not... but they are still terrible players

[Thlurp]

Damage is a somewhat misleading statistic for comparing ship classes.

 

The stats that seem most useful for this are 'win-ratio' (how well the ship fulfills a role/how useful that role is) and (arguably) kills/match.  Using the Asian stats:

- the Minekaze is a beast of a ship, and arguably the best non-carrier at T5 (it's also the most played T5 ship).

- the IJN DD line after the Minekaze are underperforming.

- the USN DD line similarly goes a "bit wonky" at higher tiers (T8? although sample sizes are small).

- higher tier (8+) ship results have relatively low sample sizes, and may be misleading.

 

for a dd player it exactly more the dmg which should be high, as your priority targets are supposed to be BB's

and i still think the minekaze to be extremly overrated, a Kongo or New York is much better at its tier (at least for me)

for me, the minekaze right now is the only somehow balanced DD for IJN, but will be nerfed due to whiners and BB pilots who don't know yet how to evade

[N00b32]

 

for a dd player it exactly more the dmg which should be high, as your priority targets are supposed to be BB's

and i still think the minekaze to be extremly overrated, a Kongo or New York is much better at its tier (at least for me)

for me, the minekaze right now is the only somehow balanced DD for IJN, but will be nerfed due to whiners and BB pilots who don't know yet how to evade

 

No. Damage has no value. Your main power is stealth and as such winning is the qualifing stat. Damage is only relevant for the Minekaze and the Isokaze, the rest of the ships has so low reload times, that your abilties in speed, spotting, evasion and taunting are more important. Also your ability to go for goals and not for enemy fleets engaged in a gun duel. They will evade most of the time, because they are in a gun duel and evade nevertheless. 

[Broevaharo]

 

Sorry but they are not. 50 k dmg on op Minekaze is really low.

Check my dd's stats and compare them to other classes of ships.

 

You have 29 battles in a Minekaze m8, your average damage won't last at 76K trust me on that one and neither will your 76% winrate in it, if you have a 67% + winrate in it after 195 battles and your average damage is still at 76K we'll talk again.

Anyway the Minekaze is not a good measurement for being a good DD captain at all,the tier 6 + ones are because there the DD's have a tough life and if you pull off 60+ % winrates there you are good, no question about it.

And yes you are also a good DD captain 

[Broevaharo]

 

Those 2 are pretty terrible I actually thought he posted it to troll... maybe not... but they are still terrible players

 

And yet they outrank you by at least 4% while playing the most difficult class in the game, just saying

But sure all 60+% winrate players are terrible players, whatever makes you happy (talking about trolling)

[DtXpwnz]

DDs are imo extremely weak. They are noob-bashing class. And even the biggest noobs are now realizing that turning little bit once every two minutes is a good idea. You will never sink a good player with a DD, unless he really screws up. So all you can do are area denial and smoke team protection shenenigans.. great. And you are exp pinata for everyone, since DDs are juicy exp. And now compare that with the fact that it is the most boring ship class to play...

[Hedzik]

 

You have 29 battles in a Minekaze m8, your average damage won't last at 76K trust me on that one and neither will your 76% winrate in it, if you have a 67% + winrate in it after 195 battles and your average damage is still at 76K we'll talk again.

 

Trool or stupid?

 

Who wants to play soo many games on totaly imbalanced ship?

[Broevaharo]

DDs are imo extremely weak. They are noob-bashing class. And even the biggest noobs are now realizing that turning little bit once every two minutes is a good idea. You will never sink a good player with a DD, unless he really screws up. So all you can do are area denial and smoke team protection shenenigans.. great. And you are exp pinata for everyone, since DDs are juicy exp. And now compare that with the fact that it is the most boring ship class to play...

 

I don't think they are boring but they aren't as much fun as they were in Alpha or CBT for sure, in Alpha and CBT I played 70% of my battles in DD's now it's at 29% and I doubt it will get higher anytime soon, maybe when the ranked battles get introduced but not sooner.

[Broevaharo]

 

Trool or stupid?

 

Who want to play soo many games on imba ship.

 

I guess I would say you are the stupid one, now go ahead and play 68,73% of your games in DD's and pull of the same stats in the case of Compobob or 88,3% of your games in DD's like Anu and pull of the same stats and we'll talk again, just because you have played a whopping 29 games better in the Minekaze proves zippo, your stats in the Fletcher and the Mahan suck bigtime if you'll ask me if you want to play that card.

[dumbo11]

for a dd player it exactly more the dmg which should be high, as your priority targets are supposed to be BB's

and i still think the minekaze to be extremly overrated, a Kongo or New York is much better at its tier (at least for me)

for me, the minekaze right now is the only somehow balanced DD for IJN, but will be nerfed due to whiners and BB pilots who don't know yet how to evade

I think it varies based on playstyle, but the Minekaze is statistically one of the best ships in the game (excluding carriers).  A strange fact of DD-play is that a surprisingly large percentage of your battles are actually against enemy DDs, so they tend to deal less damage but get comparable kills/match to other ships.

 

However, beyond T5 the game kindof breaks for IJN DDs - AFAICT the torpedoes don't improve much, the targets become faster and you get spotted by aircraft everywhere.

[Hedzik]

 

 your stats in the Fletcher and the Mahan suck bigtime if you'll ask me if you want to play that card.

 

Exactly, because most of my games were on stock fletcher. (my dmg will probably go to 60-70 k and no more) Mahan... hmm first play it next talk about it. Together with farragut those are worst dd's in game. But back to topic. Try to do 100-130k dmg on other tier 5 ships.(without jap CV's) Minekaze is totally op that's why she will get nerf and ppl who have average or good stats on her are below average on other ships.

For me doing on her more battles than you need to research Mutsuki its pure stats padding and nothing more.

 

To conclusion: DD's need huge boost on tiers 6-10 and Minekaze need nerf.

 

Ps: Us dd's line in hardest to play in this game.

 

 

[Keulz]

For me doing on her more battles than you need to research Mutsuki its pure stats padding and nothing more.

 

Try 'having fun'.

 

Sorry but they are not. 50 k dmg on op Minekaze is really low.

Check my dd's stats and compare them to other classes of ships.

 

You want a medal ? What an attention whore...

[Hedzik]

 

Try 'having fun'.

 

 

You want a medal ? What an attention whore...

 

 

ohh next retard.

Check topic name before writing something.

 

ps:You can always use your hand to have some fun and that way you don't have to break fun of other players abusing imbalances in game.

[Broevaharo]

 

Exactly, because most of my games were on stock fletcher. (my dmg will probably go to 60-70 k and no more) Mahan... hmm first play it next talk about it. Together with farragut those are worst dd's in game. But back to topic. Try to do 100-130k dmg on other tier 5 ships.(without jap CV's) Minekaze is totally op that's why she will get nerf and ppl who have average or good stats on her are below average on other ships.

For me doing on her more battles than you need to research Mutsuki its pure stats padding and nothing more.

 

To conclusion: DD's need huge boost on tiers 6-10 and Minekaze need nerf.

 

Ps: Us dd's line in hardest to play in this game.

 

 

 

Lol you don't have to tell me that, I suck bigtime in US DD's, I pretty much gave up on the Farragut and I'm not looking forward at all to play the Mahan, I just started to play the Fubuki which isn't bad at all as a DD but with the zillion planes in the air (and because you are favorite food for CV players) it's not easy to do something other than spotting for the team and maybe get lucky with a kill.

[m4inbrain]

 

ohh next retard.

Check topic name before writing something.

 

How about you do it? The question is, are DDs underperforming. Answer is: yes they are. Just because there's one ship in both lines combined(!) that isn't, doesn't mean that they're not underperforming. 

 

edit: wow, just saw this posting:

 

http://maplesyrup.sw...erage_ship.html

 

DD's are doing quite well, often even better then CV,BB,CA's at equal tier.

It's harder to play, more finesse, and require some skill. But i would't turn to this forum to find good DD advice, as i don't think any good DD drivers hangs around here.

 

 

I'm not sure if troll or stupid, to be honest - because the chart you linked pretty much tells the exact opposite story. In general, a DD does basically as good as a BB/CA of the tier BELOW it. 

 

See: Fuso avg Damage parsed 37k, Aoba 28k, Hatsuharu: 20k. In fact, even the Fubuki gets parsed with less than 25k. Meaning that the first IJN DD to do comparable damage (Minekaze excluded, since that actually is an op ship) to tier 6(!) BBs and CAs is the Kagero. It takes a tier 9 DD to do a little less damage per battle as the Fuso. 

 

Definately not underperforming, right.

 

[Keulz]

 

ohh next retard.

Check topic name before writing something.

 

?

What does it has to do with the fact that you just want to brag ?

Humility, dude.

 

And i think DD's starting at tier VI are UP and need a buff, if you want to know.

[Broevaharo]

 

How about you do it? The question is, are DDs underperforming. Answer is: yes they are. Just because there's one ship in both lines combined(!) that isn't, doesn't mean that they're not underperforming. 

 

edit: wow, just saw this posting:

 

 

I'm not sure if troll or stupid, to be honest - because the chart you linked pretty much tells the exact opposite story. In general, a DD does basically as good as a BB/CA of the tier BELOW it. 

 

See: Fuso avg Damage parsed 37k, Aoba 28k, Hatsuharu: 20k. In fact, even the Fubuki gets parsed with less than 25k. Meaning that the first IJN DD to do comparable damage (Minekaze excluded, since that actually is an op ship) to tier 6(!) BBs and CAs is the Kagero. It takes a tier 9 DD to do a little less damage per battle as the Fuso. 

 

Definately not underperforming, right.

 

 

Lol I do better (damage wise) in my Kongo,Murmansk, Cleveland, Aobe, Fuso, Myogi (well basically almost every ship) than the Hatsuharu even though I somehow managed to have a 60% winrate in it (God knows how).