Interdiction Beta Tester 274 posts 13,524 battles Report post #1 Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) How do the CVs disappear .....Me in a Kongo coming up to one of them within 10 km range then poof gone ...I can only see the planes .....Is this a glitch that can be reproduced as its not the first time I have seen this ....Seen it in a fair amount of games now ... Tis a kind of magic ... Edited August 16, 2015 by Interdiction 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philipp_ab_exterminatore Alpha Tester 1,191 posts 8,097 battles Report post #2 Posted August 16, 2015 was it a jap CV by any chance? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAFT] viceadmiral123 Players 1,221 posts 29,485 battles Report post #3 Posted August 16, 2015 Advanced cloaking device. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NIKE] Xevious_Red Beta Tester 3,412 posts 7,888 battles Report post #4 Posted August 16, 2015 Which one was it? Since some (hosho, zuiho) have low detection ranges. Hosho's is 7.9km surface detection. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ironhammer500 Beta Tester 1,111 posts 5,268 battles Report post #5 Posted August 17, 2015 Which one was it? Since some (hosho, zuiho) have low detection ranges. Hosho's is 7.9km surface detection. I know its "balance" but those CVs are bigger then a Cruiser yet have less Detection range... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOGS] Hogwild_Gankhammer [HOGS] Players 30 posts 11,555 battles Report post #6 Posted August 17, 2015 This happened to me as well with a Japanese carrier and I was all like 'WTF! O.O'....Then I did some research on the detection ranges 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SVE] DaWyrm [SVE] Players 242 posts 2,933 battles Report post #7 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Because CV's are not very tall, so they are harder to spot than a cruiser despite being larger. Height is the most important aspect for what distance you are spottable at sea. Edited August 17, 2015 by DaWyrm 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Interdiction Beta Tester 274 posts 13,524 battles Report post #8 Posted August 17, 2015 was it a jap CV by any chance? yes Which one was it? Since some (hosho, zuiho) have low detection ranges. Hosho's is 7.9km surface detection. and yes Never knew about the low range spotting of them ..... Thanks for that people ....Seems weird for such a large vessel but hey ho 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,195 battles Report post #9 Posted August 17, 2015 yes and yes Never knew about the low range spotting of them ..... Thanks for that people ....Seems weird for such a large vessel but hey ho Notice that in general, because of their low height, their detection range in sea level is low, but they can be spotted early from the air, due their large size from air perspective. So, it actually makes sense, doesnät it? It is not the cloaking device we use, or our "faint into the shadows"-thief skill, which is best kept secret among carrier players. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ironhammer500 Beta Tester 1,111 posts 5,268 battles Report post #10 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Because CV's are not very tall, so they are harder to spot than a cruiser despite being larger. Height is the most important aspect for what distance you are spottable at sea. Have you placed a Cruiser side by side with a CV, the Towers are both the same heights in game. Edited August 17, 2015 by ironhammer500 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LetsRockAndRoll Players 720 posts 9,732 battles Report post #11 Posted August 17, 2015 How do the CVs disappear .....Me in a Kongo coming up to one of them within 10 km range then poof gone ...I can only see the planes .....Is this a glitch that can be reproduced as its not the first time I have seen this ....Seen it in a fair amount of games now ... Tis a kind of magic ... Kongo chasing a CV???? Sounds like one of my teams from last night. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[F_D] Adwaenyth Alpha Tester 1,194 posts 6,218 battles Report post #12 Posted August 17, 2015 Because CV's are not very tall, so they are harder to spot than a cruiser despite being larger. Height is the most important aspect for what distance you are spottable at sea. Also we are talking about distances where you'd actually see the curvature of earth coming into play already. At 10 km distance, the sea in between the ships is actually already 8m higher, thus a carrier with a height of 20m, a third is already invisible due to the sea in between the two ships being higher. Then the carrier is painted in a colour that makes it hard to actually spot. Especially if the sky, the sea and the ship have rather similar colours, it gets very difficult to correctly identify a target (which is equal to spotting a ship in WoWs). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreevson Players 580 posts 1,135 battles Report post #13 Posted August 17, 2015 Notice that in general, because of their low height, their detection range in sea level is low, but they can be spotted early from the air, due their large size from air perspective. So, it actually makes sense, doesnät it? It is not the cloaking device we use, or our "faint into the shadows"-thief skill, which is best kept secret among carrier players. CV's are not tall? Are you on drugs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TakeOff13 Players 86 posts 1,595 battles Report post #14 Posted August 17, 2015 How do the CVs disappear .....Me in a Kongo coming up to one of them within 10 km range then poof gone ...I can only see the planes .....Is this a glitch that can be reproduced as its not the first time I have seen this ....Seen it in a fair amount of games now ... Tis a kind of magic ... Many times happend to me, CV invisible stealth... just disappear when aproaching to CV... and guess what? next time when i see appear CV is at 2-3 Km distance... bug or what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #15 Posted August 17, 2015 CV's are not tall? Are you on drugs? You have actually seen IJN? They either have no or a tiny comand structures up to T8. Cya Spellfire40 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ironhammer500 Beta Tester 1,111 posts 5,268 battles Report post #16 Posted August 17, 2015 I have just posted a picture of a Bogue and a Wyom both as close together in a public game as possible, notice how the towers and radio masts are both the same size yet one has about 5-6 km less detection range. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreevson Players 580 posts 1,135 battles Report post #17 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) You have actually seen IJN? They either have no or a tiny comand structures up to T8. Cya Spellfire40 Ryujo is as tall as a command structure in its entirety. Because the WHOLE SHIP is one big command structure, you can see the bridge in the front. Edited August 17, 2015 by Andreevson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[F_D] Adwaenyth Alpha Tester 1,194 posts 6,218 battles Report post #18 Posted August 17, 2015 Ryujo is as tall as a command structure in its entirety. Because the WHOLE SHIP is one big command structure, you can see the bridge in the front. The flight deck of any CV is about 20m above the water line. That is because most waves even in heavy weather are about 15m high, and you don't want the waves to wash over the flight deck more than necessary. The flight deck usually isn't much higher above the water, because the ships sides would act as a giant sail and the whole ship would become unstable due to a high centre of gravity. The command structure and funnel of US CVs is above the flight deck while on most japanese CVs it is below the flight deck. Thus the US carriers are usually 50m and taller while the japanese are only about 20m tall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ragnarox Beta Tester 115 posts 1,738 battles Report post #19 Posted August 17, 2015 Yea but CV tends to go to klingon stealth mode <10km with your recon plane buzzing around. Alliance forces have radar, japan have stealth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #20 Posted August 18, 2015 Well for spoting things most IJN just look like a block on the water (some early US too) wich is much harder to detect than ships that have things like smokestacks, Comand structures and rangefinder breaking out over the horizon wich kakes the siolett much more easyly detectable. In WoWS its game balance.. Low level maps are quite small. DDs with speedboost can cross them rather quickly if CV would be detected at low Tir around 15km plus they would be in range for IJN BB guns in very early. cya Spellfire40 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Figment Beta Tester 3,801 posts 10,499 battles Report post #21 Posted August 18, 2015 Probably to do with them trying to promote short range fleet support from CVs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ironhammer500 Beta Tester 1,111 posts 5,268 battles Report post #22 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Well for spoting things most IJN just look like a block on the water (some early US too) wich is much harder to detect than ships that have things like smokestacks, Comand structures and rangefinder breaking out over the horizon wich kakes the siolett much more easyly detectable. In WoWS its game balance.. Low level maps are quite small. DDs with speedboost can cross them rather quickly if CV would be detected at low Tir around 15km plus they would be in range for IJN BB guns in very early. cya Spellfire40 Actually Battleships in this game should have the highest rangefinder detection due to how the Earth curves and how Height increases your horizon, So a Battleship should be able to spot ships further away then a Destroyer. The Earth curves roughly at 8 inches per mile ( sorry its imperial but that is how the maths was worked out) So thats around 6 feet per 9 miles, or 2 metres Per 14.4 km for the Metrics, so in a total game we have the maps seems about 40 km in total. which is about 4-5m of horizon drop...you would see the 20m tall carrier.. Edited August 18, 2015 by ironhammer500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Figment Beta Tester 3,801 posts 10,499 battles Report post #23 Posted August 18, 2015 Actually Battleships in this game should have the highest rangefinder detection due to how the Earth curves and how Height increases your horizon, So a Battleship should be able to spot ships further away then a Destroyer. The Earth curves roughly at 8 inches per mile ( sorry its imperial but that is how the maths was worked out) So thats around 6 feet per 9 miles, or 2 metres Per 14.4 km for the Metrics, so in a total game we have the maps seems about 40 km in total. which is about 3m of horizon drop...you would see the 20m tall carrier.. They do have the furthest view range actually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ironhammer500 Beta Tester 1,111 posts 5,268 battles Report post #24 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) They do have the furthest view range actually. So in this game a Carrier should be just as spot able as a a battleship. they are both similar in heights, infact carriers tend to be alot higher as someone said to protect the flight deck from waves. But instead they have DD level of stealth, for the early tiers which is unfair to DDs.. Edited August 18, 2015 by ironhammer500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Figment Beta Tester 3,801 posts 10,499 battles Report post #25 Posted August 18, 2015 So in this game a Carrier should be just as spot able as a a battleship. they are both similar in heights, infact carriers tend to be alot higher as someone said to protect the flight deck from waves. But instead they have DD level of stealth, for the early tiers which is unfair to DDs.. Considering though that these engagement ranges do not conform to protocol for carriers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
