[MIM] scousersuk Players 284 posts 18,455 battles Report post #1 Posted August 15, 2015 Getting 40 fps constant but then I drop to approx 9 for a second and back up to 40 does anybody know why?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KLUNJ] beercrazy [KLUNJ] Beta Tester 1,509 posts 11,905 battles Report post #2 Posted August 15, 2015 lag?, zooming in and out?, graphics card drivers need updating? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
m4inbrain Beta Tester 662 posts 525 battles Report post #3 Posted August 15, 2015 Sounds stupid, do you have a stream or video running in the background? Because that happens to me if i have a stream running in the background. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GR] Bassarnis Players 14 posts 11,751 battles Report post #4 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) For starters you need to provide all your computer specs (operating system version, cpu, ram, vga, hdd) and let us know if you have the latest drivers and windows updates for those, so we know with what kind of hardware we are dealing with. Things to try are the following: 1) Lower your graphics preset and resolution to minimum, also turn on the options as "vsync" and "tripple buffering". 2) Make sure there are no other programs running in the background. (disable antivirus temporarily , close browsers, skype etc.) 3) Open task manager, make sure there is very little cpu usage (1-10%) hard drive activity and that your ram isn't close to full while doing nothing on your pc before launching the game. Edited August 15, 2015 by Bassarnis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MIM] scousersuk Players 284 posts 18,455 battles Report post #5 Posted August 15, 2015 thanks for all the responses guys I will make sure to follow up on your input and see if I get improvements Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daftdrew Beta Tester 72 posts 895 battles Report post #6 Posted August 15, 2015 Sounds like you have a radeon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #7 Posted August 15, 2015 Flash has been known to mess with graphics drivers, so try closing your browser before launching the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SEN] SENAdmiral Players 333 posts Report post #8 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) For starters you need to provide all your computer specs (operating system version, cpu, ram, vga, hdd) and let us know if you have the latest drivers and windows updates for those, so we know with what kind of hardware what we are dealing with. Things to try are the following: 1) Lower your graphics preset and resolution to minimum, also turn on the options as "vsync" and "tripple buffering". 2) Make sure there are no other programs running in the background. (disable antivirus temporarily , close browsers, skype etc.) 3) Open task manager, make sure there is very little cpu usage (1-10%) hard drive activity and that your ram isn't close to full while doing nothing on your pc before launching the game. All true, but also I suggest to run the game windowed, AND install a soft to monitor CPU&GPU temperatures - high Cº = significant fall on performance; See also the net traffic - downloading & installing upgrades = not a nice gaming experience... And for those who talk down about Radeon - well, AMD its probably, arguably, the best GPU manufacturer on the market.... Edited August 15, 2015 by SENAdmiral Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
m4inbrain Beta Tester 662 posts 525 battles Report post #9 Posted August 15, 2015 Not according to any techsite. The radeon R9 280 is the only card that gets the cake in its price segment, all other segments radeons get outclassed by nvidia cards. Apart from obvious problems like support, Ark, Project CARS etc being a prime example at release. But that's not the argument here anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SEN] SENAdmiral Players 333 posts Report post #10 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Not according to any techsite. The radeon R9 280 is the only card that gets the cake in its price segment, all other segments radeons get outclassed by nvidia cards. Apart from obvious problems like support, Ark, Project CARS etc being a prime example at release. But that's not the argument here anyway. AMD its still better when it come to power consumption , miniaturization, and performance vs costs; NVidia always "forgot" to inform you the "power supply" detail, when after one buy a 500 bucks card needs to buy also an 150 bucks new power supply unit ... Since the AMD "melt" with Radeon, they outclass NVidia on miniaturization... What NVidia has its an much more aggressive marketing, thats true... But hen it come to Overclocking , GPU computing, Memory bandwitch.... AMD all day long .... And I usually trust the Tomshardware for years when it come to.... Edited August 15, 2015 by SENAdmiral Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GR] Bassarnis Players 14 posts 11,751 battles Report post #11 Posted August 15, 2015 All true, but also I suggest to run the game windowed Windowed mode doesn't help with performance in any sort of way if he runs the game at native resolution, given that he gets 40 fps currently. I would only recommend it with a modern pc , and only if you multitask while lets say wait for the battle to end after being killed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SEN] SENAdmiral Players 333 posts Report post #12 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Windowed mode doesn't help with performance in any sort of way if he runs the game at native resolution, given that he gets 40 fps currently. I would only recommend it with a modern pc , and only if you multitask while lets say wait for the battle to end after being killed. windowed its NOT for gaming performance increased, you understand wrong, its for a much accurate temperature monitoring... You can play AND on the same time, without stopping, read the Cº.... Edited August 15, 2015 by SENAdmiral Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GR] Bassarnis Players 14 posts 11,751 battles Report post #13 Posted August 15, 2015 windowed its NOT for gaming performance increased, you understand wrong, its for a much accurate temperature monitoring... You can play AND on the same time, without stopping, read the Cº.... My bad, i misread your post. Even in that case though, he can simply install a temperature monitoring software (msi afterburner, gpu-z, HWiNFO) and have it mark the max temperatures during the gaming session so he can review the results later without having the extra performance hit by running the game in windowed mode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SEN] SENAdmiral Players 333 posts Report post #14 Posted August 15, 2015 My bad, i misread your post. Even in that case though, he can simply install a temperature monitoring software (msi afterburner, gpu-z, HWiNFO) and have it mark the max temperatures during the gaming session so he can review the results later without having the extra performance hit by running the game in windowed mode. indeed, but I will say its a bit more relevant to see some things, on real time, when you play: for example, strange and a bit ridiculous, I register MORE stress on GPU when I am on port then in a real battle... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BNBS] Sybeck Players 466 posts 11,502 battles Report post #15 Posted August 15, 2015 AMD its still better when it come to power consumption , miniaturization, and performance vs costs; NVidia always "forgot" to inform you the "power supply" detail, when after one buy a 500 bucks card needs to buy also an 150 bucks new power supply unit ... Since the AMD "melt" with Radeon, they outclass NVidia on miniaturization... What NVidia has its an much more aggressive marketing, thats true... But hen it come to Overclocking , GPU computing, Memory bandwitch.... AMD all day long .... And I usually trust the Tomshardware for years when it come to.... tl;dr Cannot afford a bitchin nVidia card END OF Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #16 Posted August 15, 2015 AMD its still better when it come to power consumption , miniaturization, and performance vs costs; NVidia always "forgot" to inform you the "power supply" detail, when after one buy a 500 bucks card needs to buy also an 150 bucks new power supply unit ... Since the AMD "melt" with Radeon, they outclass NVidia on miniaturization... What NVidia has its an much more aggressive marketing, thats true... But hen it come to Overclocking , GPU computing, Memory bandwitch.... AMD all day long .... And I usually trust the Tomshardware for years when it come to.... I haven't had to get a new power supply in forever. So unless you've been only running AMD or it's your first computer you shouldn't have to get a new PSU. I barely remember back when Nvidia released their first power hogging GPU (back in the 4-digit era) and I had to get an extra beefy PSU. Since then I've only swapped once when I wanted a modular one that delivered a more stable voltage. AMD in my opinion is only preferable if you are really trying to cut every possible corner cost-wise when building a new PC. That or you're building a non-ATX solution and have limited PSU and cooling options. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GR] Bassarnis Players 14 posts 11,751 battles Report post #17 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) I register MORE stress on GPU when I am on port then in a real battle... That's because less computational power is needed. Therefore the gpu lowers its clockspeed and raises the usage for thermal/power reasons. When you enter the battle the gpu "kicks in high gear" and lowers its overal usage (depending on gpu). For example my gtx 770 sits at 90% usage and 400 out of 1300mHz while in menu, and jumps to 50-60% usage and 800-1300mhz depending on the complexity of the scene. Its completely normal behavior unless specified otherwise from the driver. Another reason as to why this happens, is a cpu bottleneck. With many planes/torpedoes/shells flying around, cpu is stressed to the point of creating a bottleneck your gpu. Varies from case to case depending on the hardware. Edited August 15, 2015 by Bassarnis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #18 Posted August 15, 2015 That's because less computational power is needed. Therefore the gpu lowers its clockspeed and raises the usage for thermal/power reasons. When you enter the battle the gpu "kicks in high gear" and lowers its overal usage (depending on gpu). For example my gtx 770 sits at 90% usage and 400 out of 1300mHz while in menu, and jumps to 50-60% usage and 800-1300mhz depending on the complexity of the scene. Its completely normal behavior unless specified otherwise from the driver. Another reason as to why this happens, is a cpu bottleneck. With many planes/torpedoes/shells flying around, cpu is stressed to the point of creating a bottleneck your gpu. Varies from case to case depending on the hardware. It's also the fact that the default "dock" is horribly optimized. If you mod it into something like just open sea you get much better performance and almost no load times when entering your dock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SEN] SENAdmiral Players 333 posts Report post #19 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) I haven't had to get a new power supply in forever. So unless you've been only running AMD or it's your first computer you shouldn't have to get a new PSU. I barely remember back when Nvidia released their first power hogging GPU (back in the 4-digit era) and I had to get an extra beefy PSU. Since then I've only swapped once when I wanted a modular one that delivered a more stable voltage. AMD in my opinion is only preferable if you are really trying to cut every possible corner cost-wise when building a new PC. That or you're building a non-ATX solution and have limited PSU and cooling options. you are a kid probably, I am a bit older and some 6-7 years when I give-up on NVidia was when I bought the first 9850 GTX at over 600 euro (some 750 S) and I was thinking its worth the money; Until I realize my 600 PSU was not enough, and this "you've been only running AMD" its just childish from your part, performance require always extra power, no matter AMD or Intel, or AMD / NVidia. http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-9800-gtx/specifications A card who needs 140 W its not one who run on any computer; Especially if you are an over-clocking fan. After that (last one, for me) NVidia, I switch for AMD and I was more then satisfied over the years. Notice I am 47 old and I run a small computer repair shop, and enough hardware pass trough my hands over the years... What I do learn over 20 years on activity, its max top performance its nice, but usually you get 99% or 98% of that for 25% LESS (at least) if you buy the SECOND best GPU... And I do know a good machine its a cold one. NVidia its not famous for that, and sadly, either the last top creations of AMD... AMD - If you allow me remember that - was the one who bought some years ago the Radeon, on 2006, and right after was an "boom" on the market with the new chips born from AMD miniaturization experience (CPU-manufacturer) and the Radeon graph chip. They take the lead a time, with miniaturization ahead of NVidia, and in consequence, less power consumption = less heat. and here was a time, several years ago, when it appeared AMD was the absolute price-performance victor. Even now, on single card solutions, I think R9-295x2 its ahead of Nvidia GTX Titan-Z - and, funny, Nvidia cost ALMOST DOUBLE. Fact is, from all I see on last years, AMD offer better solutions for "what you pay & what you get". (R9 295 go for 1500, Titan Z for almost 3000...) To conclude, the marked its subjective, and best thing its to compare 2 products from the same generation: right now, for example, NVidia start to lead over AMD on power consumption & heat, a place where AMD rule a couple of years ago; Some argue thats because AMD offer the overclocking capability, but the results will be always more heat on the computer case and the heat its the enemy of top performance... If we look at strictly present times, true are AMD its on decline, with less & less sales , and NVidia its consolidating the lead position - they become better on power consumption and better on heat dispersion. Hell, are even voiceswho says AMD its doomed ... But, with only a dominant product on the market, that will be the worst thing for you, for me and any other gamer / costumer... No concurrence means no real prices... I can only end with a review from Tomshardware site: "The important thing for the consumer to know in that environment is that who has a better product at a given moment in time and price point may shift to either side of the line, and holding on to a company based recommendation may not result in you getting the best available product at the moment you make your purchase. " Edited August 15, 2015 by SENAdmiral Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aldramelech Beta Tester 1,753 posts Report post #20 Posted August 15, 2015 SENAAdmiral you seem quite knowledgeable on the subject, which gaming laptop for under £1000 would you recommend, I've been looking at an MSI but am unsure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MIM] scousersuk Players 284 posts 18,455 battles Report post #21 Posted August 15, 2015 thanks guys for all the tips I will look into a pc upgrade for my old girl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] black_falcon120 Beta Tester 1,693 posts 4,658 battles Report post #22 Posted August 15, 2015 If the framerate is dropping intermittently, it's likely either the psu or the drivers. Download CPUID, and use it to check your power usage and temperature(s) before you start investing in expensive PSUs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SEN] SENAdmiral Players 333 posts Report post #23 Posted August 15, 2015 SENAAdmiral you seem quite knowledgeable on the subject, which gaming laptop for under £1000 would you recommend, I've been looking at an MSI but am unsure. my friend, allow me a couple of hours to search a bit ... things change by days on the market, you know... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pallie_the_artillerist Players 11 posts 531 battles Report post #24 Posted August 15, 2015 My FPS slows to a crawl when I'm downloading something onto the HD that has WOWS on it while I play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
m4inbrain Beta Tester 662 posts 525 battles Report post #25 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) But, with only a dominant product on the market, that will be the worst thing for you, for me and any other gamer / costumer... No concurrence means no real prices... Monopolies are never a good thing, but that wasn't really the argument. Everybody knows that. But arguing that they're/were inefficient, and therefore the worse GPU is simply wrong. Yes they used more power, but honestly? It's not like you point it out in terms of power consumption. I just got a platoon invite for World of Tanks, i'll add a picture later of the racing rig of a clanmate of mine from pCars. And i promise you, if you understand what you see there, you might understand why i think that AMD is not enough. edit: hm.. can't find it right now, have to check later - he's running a triple monitor setup as most of us, difference being that he's using 3x 4k Monitors. In native resolution. So, that guy has four Titans to actually be able to run pCars smooth. ^^ Edited August 15, 2015 by m4inbrain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites