Tier IV vs Tier VII and that is fair?

[warsinger2]

So hear I am joining a random battle and what do I see my fairly new Myogi gets to battle 4 Pensacolas, a Colorado and a New Mexico That is me in a T IV vs T VII. Fine my team also has like 4 Tier VII ships but the point is what am I doing there? 6 guns, bad spread, slow reload vs enemy cruisers that can just own me 1 vs 1 since their own hit points are not so far from mine. Plus 3x times the reload speed and probably way better throw weight. 

 

I realize the game is in beta but T IV vs T VII ? That does not sound too fair does it?

[Userext]

So hear I am joining a random battle and what do I see my fairly new Myogi gets to battle 4 Pensacolas, a Colorado and a New Mexico That is me in a T IV vs T VII. Fine my team also has like 4 Tier VII ships but the point is what am I doing there? 6 guns, bad spread, slow reload vs enemy cruisers that can just own me 1 vs 1 since their own hit points are not so far from mine. Plus 3x times the reload speed and probably way better throw weight. 

 

I realize the game is in beta but T IV vs T VII ? That does not sound too fair does it?

 

whats wrong with it? You arent supposed ot hunt the big boys on first hand if that was the thing on your mind

[mtm78]

So hear I am joining a random battle and what do I see my fairly new Myogi gets to battle 4 Pensacolas, a Colorado and a New Mexico That is me in a T IV vs T VII. Fine my team also has like 4 Tier VII ships but the point is what am I doing there? 6 guns, bad spread, slow reload vs enemy cruisers that can just own me 1 vs 1 since their own hit points are not so far from mine. Plus 3x times the reload speed and probably way better throw weight. 

 

I realize the game is in beta but T IV vs T VII ? That does not sound too fair does it?

 

Get some citadel hits on those CA's and they melt regardless. If you get in range that is. It's not as bad as in WoT. 

[Chuckabutty]

It evens out. Sometimes you're top tier, sometimes you're cannon fodder. If you are at the low end of the spread don't try to solo anything. Support other ships and make sure you aren't the first thing the opposing team spots.

[mtm78]

It evens out. Sometimes you're top tier, sometimes you're cannon fodder. If you are at the low end of the spread don't try to solo anything. Support other ships and make sure you aren't the first thing the opposing team spots.

 

Thinking about it, it's hard to play support ship in a lot of matches for low tier BB's due to their speed relative to opposing higher tier CA's. But overall it's not that bad, you should play more defensively ( use your team to take the grunt of the damage, let them tank first ). If you are the one ahead, you will be dead fast because you're the easiest kill ( I love meeting lower tier BB's in a group of CA's, they burn so good it's almost as good as a barbeque ). 

[warsinger2]

Well yeah I guess T IV vs T Vii is ok soon to come tier i vs X nothing to see here move along.....facepalm.

 

The game is terribly fun IF the tier spread is close if it is T IV vs VII it sucks! Especially if you are in a T iv newly undocked BB. 

This smells like navyfield 1 all over were any levels between 60-80 were just a crash curse in rear end molestation if you wanted to battle, but you could avoid that by playing AA boat. Not so much here from what I am getting....

[Userext]

Well yeah I guess T IV vs T Vii is ok soon to come tier i vs X nothing to see here move along.....facepalm.

 

The game is terribly fun IF the tier spread is close if it is T IV vs VII it sucks! Especially if you are in a T iv newly undocked BB. 

This smells like navyfield 1 all over were any levels between 60-80 were just a crash curse in rear end molestation if you wanted to battle, but you could avoid that by playing AA boat. Not so much here from what I am getting....

 

facepalm right back at ya

 

will you people stfu about other navy games already?

[simonmd]

Perfectly fair, ive never seen a post on here complaining about being able to kill a lower tier ship with a higher one. It's all swings and roundabouts. So long as the average of the entire team is about the same, there is no problem and personally, I have had some great wins in a T3 St Louis against much higher opponents. 

 

You need to fight smart, dont go charging in on your own, use your brain and look for better chances to get a hit or even a kill. Use islands as cover between shots, out turn them, and join up with other team mates to win TOGETHER. 

 

This post is a perfect example of whats wrong with this game, people who cant work out that playing alone is NOT the way to win. 

[ttchip]

I've posted these before but they seem to apply to this issue aswell:

 

 

It's not too bad. 356mms can easily dish out significant damage - even to higher tiered ships. Myogi has the advantage of being decently fast and having good range.

[Unintentional_submarine]

I've posted these before but they seem to apply to this issue aswell:

 

 

It's not too bad. 356mms can easily dish out significant damage - even to higher tiered ships. Myogi has the advantage of being decently fast and having good range.

 

I have to agree with this. Higher tier cruisers are no doubt more dangerous, but they tend to discard the notion that a lower tier battleship can really mess them up. But where battleships progress in toughness at a rather rapid pace for most tiers, cruisers don't. They get a bit more HP, but they mainly progress in firepower and relative toughness, to other cruisers. A battleship many tiers lower will still penetrate them like a hot knife through butter. OHKs are less likely due to more HP, but let's not forget that their citadels also increase in size.

[warsinger2]

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[ThatOneDidntGoIn]

If this was WoT or WoWp I would agree, three tier difference is too much, however, in WoWs it isn't that bad, except perhaps for battleships as a Tier 4 going toe to toe with a Tier 7 is a really tough ask, but a Phoenix vs a Pepsi, yeah that's doable. You could get one shot at any time but unlike WoT or WoWp, the chances are you'll still get a decent fight and with some skills make the win.

[beercrazy]

I feel through all the higher tier than my ship is matched that are seriously unfair is the kawachi

my god tier 6 in that is just a xp fest for the enemy

[simonmd]

 

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Tell me HOW this comment is justified and see if you can do it without feeling like a total jerk. We're talking about a GAME and I happened to ..... oh my goodness..... suggest WE WORK AS A TEAM and thats your reaction??? My God, you really need to take a long hard look at yourself man and seriously think before you speak. 

 

Please tell me youre a 12 year old and i'll let it pass, if youre any older then I hope one day you realise what an immature little person you really are for saying something so ridiculous just because someone didnt agree with your thread. Well BOO HOO, how the hell are you ever going to get on in life if thats your reaction to anyone who doesnt agree with you? I hope you enjoy being lonely. 

[TheJezna]

 

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WTF dude, here you come to the forum, which is a place to discuss. Then you get all salty when people give you hint's on how to resolve the situation and in the end resort to a horrible personal attack totally uncalled for. Enjoy your report.

[HaachamaShipping]

So hear I am joining a random battle and what do I see my fairly new Myogi gets to battle 4 Pensacolas, a Colorado and a New Mexico That is me in a T IV vs T VII. Fine my team also has like 4 Tier VII ships but the point is what am I doing there? 6 guns, bad spread, slow reload vs enemy cruisers that can just own me 1 vs 1 since their own hit points are not so far from mine. Plus 3x times the reload speed and probably way better throw weight. 

 

I realize the game is in beta but T IV vs T VII ? That does not sound too fair does it?

 

BB matchmaking goes up to 3 tiers higher (I think others are two tiers, CVs seem only ine tier, but don't quote me on that, it's based on experience and I know there are information on all this available). I would guess it is due to BBs being able to fire at ships that much higher and still do ok damage. Tier IV guns are still useful against these ships and their greatest asset is to spam you with HE, which for Myogi is just as much an issue in a fight against any cruiser from St Louis at tier III, Kuma and Phoenix at tier IV, Omaha and Furutaka at tier V (as well as Murmansk, which lulzily also outranges you for whatever reason), Aoba and especially Cleveland at tier VI and so on. Unless of course you are dumb enough to show your side armour, in which case heavy cruisers might decide to actually try penetrate with AP, because Myogi's armour is garbage.

 

I say, don't despair, use your ship as a support ship, with its decent quality (not quantity) guns, pretty good speed and ok armour (if angled!) where you may not slaughter a lot of things, but you can pick on similar tier ships and if you sneak some shots in on the tier VIIs, even only a little bit of damage can earn a lot, due to tier difference.

 

Not going to recommend it, but I wonder how it'd pay off to try run a Myogi full speed into a Nagato or Colorado. I'd guess if it works out (would most likely require enemy to be largely unsupported), it'd be more damage than you'd ever be able to do with your guns.

[TakeOff13]

It will be more balanced if max 1 tire higher... example: V with VI, VI with VII, VII with VIII etc... is frustrating to play tire V and to be just fresh cannon meat for VII or VIII...

Is a joke to say "play as suport"... suport what? becouse all higher tire will hunt you, will concentrate fire on you becouse you are an easy target for them, and tray to eliminate fast yours cannons... what alternative? stay away from battle?

[stealthed]

Tier 4 wyoming. Hit citadel on tier 6 ca that got overconfident. Good times.

 

Except for the speed difference t4 bb vis t6-7 is quite doable if you're smart about it.

[HaachamaShipping]

It will be more balanced if max 1 tire higher... example: V with VI, VI with VII, VII with VIII etc... is frustrating to play tire V and to be just fresh cannon meat for VII or VIII...

Is a joke to say "play as suport"... suport what? becouse all higher tire will hunt you, will concentrate fire on you becouse you are an easy target for them, and tray to eliminate fast yours cannons... what alternative? stay away from battle?

 

At least on Japanese side, the amount of help you can be still in a tier V ship is great:

• Minekaze as a stealth destroyer can still go and hunt higher tier ships from stealth. As long as you don't get the carrier keeping you spotted, you can harass and maybe sink a few ships with torpedos.
• Furutaka is already best to just try use those 203 mm guns on targets that already got other issues to deal with, nothing changes there. Furutaka reacts badly to multiple enemies at tier V, it reacts badly to the same at tier VII. It isn't a great ship to begin with.
• Kongo is just great and you have the range and speed to decide what to do. Stay with other BBs, let them engage enemy ships, stay in second line while bringing your guns to bear. Don't show side, and usually people will rather go for the more menacing and less hard to hit BB closer to them than that weaker BC in the background.

For Americans, well, the DD relies on not getting shot and on ambushing. Tier VII cruisers are actually easier to dodge, due to their less spammy guns. Omaha is a good little ship too, which can still be a menace to enemy destroyers and try put some fire in while dodging, the New York can do decent, as long as it doesn't show its citadel. As a US BB, it hasn't got the range of the Kongou, nor the speed, but it can survive some beating and its guns at the proper range (pretty comparable to cruisers you may meet) can wreck stuff still.

 

And you're only an easy target if you make yourself an easy target. Sure, you can't go all in guns blazing, because you are tier IV, but just apply your still considerable assets wherever they could be of use. Results will be mediocre, but rewards are better.

[TakeOff13]

 

And you're only an easy target if you make yourself an easy target. Sure, you can't go all in guns blazing, because you are tier IV, but just apply your still considerable assets wherever they could be of use. Results will be mediocre, but rewards are better.

 

Pls tell me how i can suport my team? if i stay away is cowardly... if i close enough for guns range i'm designed target...

[HaachamaShipping]

In cruisers, just use the maximum range of your guns and don't engage ships way higher in level that you have no reasonable chance of killing. In IJN BBs, you got range, in US BBs, you got armour. Use it properly and you can do wonders. And don't just go solo. That hard to understand from my longer post?.

[TakeOff13]

. And don't just go solo. That hard to understand from my longer post?.

 

Seems legit what u say... i never go solo, but even i have 2-3 team mates around, i'm priority target...

[simonmd]

Well what ship are you in and what are your team mates around you in?

[mtm78]

 

Seems legit what u say... i never go solo, but even i have 2-3 team mates around, i'm priority target...

 

In war it's prudent to take out enemy planes before they TakeOff, that's the problem there