ammarmar Beta Tester 21 posts 152 battles Report post #1 Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Well, the subject basically tells it all. Why is there still a need for artificial "doubloons" instead of regular "gold" premium currency? Premium account is already shared. There are no future wipes planned. Premium shop is full of things you can buy. Whether you call it beta or not, the game is basically released, with unlimited access. WG, please simply merge the gold currency system with existing games (WoT, WoWs). I have a lot of gold and I would be really happy to start spending it in WoWs. Nuff said. Edited August 14, 2015 by ammarmar 24 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POP] YukiEiriKun [POP] Beta Tester 1,500 posts 5,749 battles Report post #2 Posted August 14, 2015 Hear, hear! I have some 20k+ gold sitting on my unused WoT account. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staarfury Beta Tester 90 posts 997 battles Report post #3 Posted August 14, 2015 Why don't you just spend some money now to buy dubloons and spend your existing gold later down the line? (or maybe never, after all you've already done the important part - give WG your money) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #4 Posted August 14, 2015 Why don't you just spend some money now to buy dubloons and spend your existing gold later down the line? (or maybe never, after all you've already done the important part - give WG your money) Because I have more gold on my WoT account then money to buy Dubloons for WoWs off course you silly boy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boevebeest Beta Tester 370 posts 999 battles Report post #5 Posted August 14, 2015 Why don't you just spend some money now to buy dubloons and spend your existing gold later down the line? (or maybe never, after all you've already done the important part - give WG your money) Because there where promises made, or at least insinuated, that gold could be used in WoWS just like it can in WoWP. With that in mind people might have bought in bulk to spend later. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staarfury Beta Tester 90 posts 997 battles Report post #6 Posted August 16, 2015 Because there where promises made, or at least insinuated, that gold could be used in WoWS just like it can in WoWP. With that in mind people might have bought in bulk to spend later. Oh, they'll do that, at some point. But in the meantime they'd be really happy if you could buy some more dubloons Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deathrow222 Beta Tester 177 posts 4,408 battles Report post #7 Posted August 16, 2015 yeah i also have like 25k+ gold on wot that i like to use in wows, like it is now i can only use it to buy prem time, but i need to loggin into wot to buy me prem time that i than can use in wows cuz i dont play wot anymore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #8 Posted August 16, 2015 Because there where promises made, or at least insinuated, that gold could be used in WoWS just like it can in WoWP. With that in mind people might have bought in bulk to spend later. WoWp didn't get gold until it went into release right? WoWs is not in release state but in open beta. Which means many balance changes can still be incoming, including to economy, so sharing gold between games isn't advisable yet. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ammarmar Beta Tester 21 posts 152 battles Report post #9 Posted August 17, 2015 WoWp didn't get gold until it went into release right? WoWs is not in release state but in open beta. Which means many balance changes can still be incoming, including to economy, so sharing gold between games isn't advisable yet. This game is released. There will be no more wipes. It is being sold. Everything else is just arguing about names. You can call it "open beta" or "soft release" - does it really matter? If economy model is not complete, is it "advisable" to sell doubloons for real money? If you spend them, there will be no refunds. The only difference right now is that there are a number of ways to get gold (buy it, earn it in WoT Clan Wars, ESL, contests, get a bonus code, do a mission etc) but there is only one way to get doubloons (buy them in premium shop). Do you see what am I hinting at? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai__ Alpha Tester 500 posts 1,728 battles Report post #10 Posted August 17, 2015 The game is not released, hence the name...OPEN BETA... The unification of WOT and WOP was several months after WOP launched fully, to ensure players did not use gold from WOT to just buy up the tiers, and WOWs unification will most likely follow the same mode. Patience young padawan 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarthMurloc Players 95 posts Report post #11 Posted August 18, 2015 I have a lot of gold and I would be really happy to start spending it in WoWs. Nuff said. Hear, hear! I have some 20k+ gold sitting on my unused WoT account. These are the reasons for WG to NOT to comply with OPs demand. From the economic POV. Why allow people to get things for "free" (aka using already earned/bought currency) to get new stuff/prime time on new game while WG can profit from selling those new stuff/prime time? You paid once and can benefit from it in two games while WG receives one payment. Delaying merger of economies ensures that people who desperately (or with deep pockets) want new stuff will simply buy it. Additional $. Just a thought. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WON] yaayifications Players 30 posts 1,857 battles Report post #12 Posted August 18, 2015 These are the reasons for WG to NOT to comply with OPs demand. From the economic POV. Why allow people to get things for "free" (aka using already earned/bought currency) to get new stuff/prime time on new game while WG can profit from selling those new stuff/prime time? You paid once and can benefit from it in two games while WG receives one payment. Delaying merger of economies ensures that people who desperately (or with deep pockets) want new stuff will simply buy it. Additional $. Just a thought. duh. This much is obvious to absolutely anyone who stops to think for a moment. That it's economically justifiable for WG doesn't mean customers are obliged to see it as reasonable. I'm honestly surprised we even got unity of premium accounts, given how WG resorted to using tokens and game-limited bundles for warplanes to stop tanks players from picking up discounts. Warships is effectively released and at this point we're more likely to see the idea quietly dropped I reckon. The only justification left from a customer perspective is that it's probably better to have players clumped in low-mid tiers until the population picks up than have tanks gold allowing people to spread themselves thin in the higher tiers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #13 Posted August 18, 2015 duh. This much is obvious to absolutely anyone who stops to think for a moment. That it's economically justifiable for WG doesn't mean customers are obliged to see it as reasonable. I'm honestly surprised we even got unity of premium accounts, given how WG resorted to using tokens and game-limited bundles for warplanes to stop tanks players from picking up discounts. Warships is effectively released and at this point we're more likely to see the idea quietly dropped I reckon. The only justification left from a customer perspective is that it's probably better to have players clumped in low-mid tiers until the population picks up than have tanks gold allowing people to spread themselves thin in the higher tiers. You can't read can you? The same happened with other WG games, gold will only be unified upon release, why you trying to get people to Rito? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WON] yaayifications Players 30 posts 1,857 battles Report post #14 Posted August 18, 2015 Progress is being kept and you can spend as much money as you like in the shop. The game is out. 'Open Beta' is an utterly meaningless term. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MXDoener Alpha Tester 42 posts 382 battles Report post #15 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Wait, what? No whipe when turning from Open Beta to Release? Since when does WG do that? I have a bet running with a mate that it will get whiped :/ WG pls whipe. K Thx Bye btw: The bet is about 50€! Edited August 18, 2015 by MXDoener Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WON] yaayifications Players 30 posts 1,857 battles Report post #16 Posted August 18, 2015 it's in one of the stickies, there won't be any more wipes. I mean for [edited]sake, world of tanks has been playable for five years old and it's still not at 1.0 yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MXDoener Alpha Tester 42 posts 382 battles Report post #17 Posted August 18, 2015 Well...Goodbye 50€ then! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[1UP] Ectar_ Alpha Tester, Players 676 posts 922 battles Report post #18 Posted August 18, 2015 Why is there still a need for artificial "doubloons" instead of regular "gold" premium currency? Gold/free exp merger has always been planned to happen round about the time OBT ends. This topic has been covered a few times already. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DUDS] Crooq_Lionfang Beta Tester 1,999 posts 6,434 battles Report post #19 Posted August 18, 2015 Wait, what? No whipe when turning from Open Beta to Release? Since when does WG do that? I have a bet running with a mate that it will get whiped :/ WG pls whipe. K Thx Bye btw: The bet is about 50€! WG officials have said since April on a dozen or more occasions that they don't plan a wipe after CBT ends, so you wasted 50 bones, sorry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Lightbaron Supertest Coordinator, Alpha Tester 1,807 posts 13,100 battles Report post #20 Posted August 18, 2015 it's in one of the stickies, there won't be any more wipes. I mean for [edited]sake, world of tanks has been playable for five years old and it's still not at 1.0 yet. "It is not planned to have any more wipes" is not the same as "there will not be any more wipes". In fact WG can still decide to do a wipe when something goes horribly wrong after one of the future big Open Beta patches and if that happens the whine in the forum by all the WoT wallet warriors will be real. "I already spent my WoT gold here, why wipe me again?" "WG scrubs, you siad there won't be another wipe that's why I spent all my gold" "The ship I bought with my WoT gold is totally useless now why don't just give me back the gold I already spent for your game" "There was a wipe now but I didn't get back my gold. I want to have it now or I will go to my lawyer!!1!" To give only some examples... For WG it's much easier to organize the dubloons alone and not mix in the gold from WoT at this stage of the game because the refund process could turn into a total mess in the later case. Keep in mind that we are still in the Beta! A Beta is not a released version and all the things you buy now in the premium shop are pre-release/early-purchase items. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] Kartoffelmos Alpha Tester 2,237 posts 8,884 battles Report post #21 Posted August 18, 2015 -snip- "I spent real money to get premium account!" "All my ships disappeared after all the time I put into grinding them. WG sux!" Etc. So no, there will be no more wipes, the unified premium account and the unlimited access to new players are solid evidences of this. Not using gold because it is easier to refund doubloons is also a silly argument, as the purchase history doesn't care whether the currency is called gold, doubloons or pink catzilla coins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Makoniel WG Staff 2,824 posts 13,949 battles Report post #22 Posted August 18, 2015 If a wild wipe was to appear, the Staff said the progresses made from OBT until the wipe would be refunded as free xp and gold if used. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[1UP] Ectar_ Alpha Tester, Players 676 posts 922 battles Report post #23 Posted August 18, 2015 "It is not planned to have any more wipes" is not the same as "there will not be any more wipes". In fact WG can still decide to do a wipe when something goes horribly wrong after one of the future big Open Beta patches and if that happens the whine in the forum by all the WoT wallet warriors will be real. To clarify. The reason we haven't said "100% there will be no wipes" is because it's impossible to predict the future. We want to have no more wipes, our plan is to have no more wipes. On the very very small chance there is some kind of catastrophic database failure, a wipe may be required. That would need to be a pretty massive boo boo however something where the server room looks like this: 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #24 Posted August 18, 2015 To clarify. The reason we haven't said "100% there will be no wipes" is because it's impossible to predict the future. We want to have no more wipes, our plan is to have no more wipes. On the very very small chance there is some kind of catastrophic database failure, a wipe may be required. That would need to be a pretty massive boo boo however something where the server room looks like this: You mean it don't look like that all the time? 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[D420] CaptMickDRD [D420] Weekend Tester 5 posts 3,294 battles Report post #25 Posted August 18, 2015 For some reasons I have my credit cards blocked. The only one way to buy gold in WoT is the SMS but this is not possible yet in WoWS and I'm wandering why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites