Balance between Carriers

[Klaskovilte]

I think there is an actual balance issue between the US and JPN starter Carriers.

 

The US Carrier Langley can only send out 2 squadrons of planes. 1 torpedo bomber and 1 fighter. Where as the Hosho has more squadrons.

 

This alone makes for a massive power difference in the two starter Carriers thats just hard to overlook.

 

Either make it so Langleys can only be grouped with and against other Langleys. Or just outright buff them

[Mindfulcrane07]

they have the same amount of planes in the air so why should Langley get a buff?

[N00b32]

I'm not a fan of the Langley, however the problem is more the speed of the carrier and not the fighter setup. Langley will win air supremancy. 

[Klaskovilte]

they have the same amount of planes in the air so why should Langley get a buff?

 

I'm pretty sure i've seen the hosho with more then 2 squadrons

[N00b32]

 

I'm pretty sure i've seen the hosho with more then 2 squadrons

 

It has 3, but with less planes. Hosho fighter and torpedo bomber squadrons only have 4 planes each. 

[_Agent_]

obviously you have not been shut down by a us fighter squadron while playing the hosho. they will eat your fighters and then it is just time on their side while you try to get some torps into a ship and if you are a corner camping carrier you are screwed ( always follow the fleet) as the Fighters can just wait out of AA range for your planes to launch. Also the us torp attack is a tighter spread with 6 fish in the water you should get more hits from a well placed drop

[Klaskovilte]

obviously you have not been shut down by a us fighter squadron while playing the hosho. they will eat your fighters and then it is just time on their side while you try to get some torps into a ship and if you are a corner camping carrier you are screwed ( always follow the fleet) as the Fighters can just wait out of AA range for your planes to launch. Also the us torp attack is a tighter spread with 6 fish in the water you should get more hits from a well placed drop

 

Just do 2x fighter squadron on the hosho and eat the american one?

[Mindfulcrane07]

 

Just do 2x fighter squadron on the hosho and eat the american one?

 

but you cant....

and as said before Langley have more planes per squad 2x6=12  Hosho 3x4=12 so same amount of planes in total.

[DtXpwnz]

I think there is an actual balance issue between the US and JPN starter Carriers.

 

The US Carrier Langley can only send out 2 squadrons of planes. 1 torpedo bomber and 1 fighter. Where as the Hosho has more squadrons.

 

This alone makes for a massive power difference in the two starter Carriers thats just hard to overlook.

 

Either make it so Langleys can only be grouped with and against other Langleys. Or just outright buff them

 

Langley's fighters can kill fighter group from Hosho, wait for it to "respawn", kill it again and then kill one bomber group before they run out of ammo. That's how ridiculously stronger fighters from Langley are...  IJN CVs are oriented at dealing damage, USN CVs have much better fighters and can also deal decent dmg... Don't try to fit "balance" them in each category.

[_Agent_]

They seem well balanced to me The US will shut down your planes if you cant lure him into fighting over a CA with AA and their single torp squad is more accurate due to tighter spread and the six torps( jap squad is 4 torps in the same area as far as I can tell.

 

As to speed you should hit max and follow the fleet from the outset turning where needed and running attacks close to your CV for quicker more frequent drops

 

[_Agent_]

Admittedly i only have a few games in the Hosho but i see so many CV fails because they forgot they have an engine and just sit still while the enemy DDs follow their planes to the "hidden" CV behind the island.

[22cm]

Hosho has 8 TBs in the air, Langley only 6. Also Hosho can do a cross drop, Langley not.

[_Agent_]

Hosho has 8 TBs in the air, Langley only 6. Also Hosho can do a cross drop, Langley not.

 

Yes it was already said Hosho is more damage focused but a langley should shut a hosho down without a problem

[Velvet_Underground]

I dont want to spoil your fun but one fightersquad of my zuiho (tier 5 ijn cv) lost against a fightersquad of a langley even though my fighters where upgraded (with equipment too!!!!!).

 

 

I think there is an actual balance issue between the US and JPN starter Carriers.

Did you look at all stats between both cv lines? I bet you dont (no offense though).

 

 

The US Carrier Langley can only send out 2 squadrons of planes. 1 torpedo bomber and 1 fighter. Where as the Hosho has more squadrons.

Yes, the US ones are bigger and the hosho has one squad more (as already said).

 

 

This alone makes for a massive power difference in the two starter Carriers thats just hard to overlook.

That's simply wrong. A japanes TB squad will drop 4 torps while an american one will drop 6 with same or even better accuracy (didnt test it yet). That means: if you use your torps smart and aim yourself you'll get more hits per torp run.

 

 

Either make it so Langleys can only be grouped with and against other Langleys. Or just outright buff them

Wtf dude? A langley can kill EVERY damn plane on my zuiho (they might have to reload once or twice) with it's fighters. Do you think that's balanced? Even now, when being matched against a bogue or something like that, while my fighters can sing the following song while keeping US fighters busy (so that my torp bombers can do their work):

 

 

Oh and btw, american CVs can fight against japanese ones even when they are one tier lower. Try that the other way around pls...

 

 

[Rambe]

Hosho has 8 TBs in the air, Langley only 6. Also Hosho can do a cross drop, Langley not.

 

Langley get 4/5 hit per drop, Hosho get 2x2 (3x2 if enemy is kind enought and manage to do perfect turn to catch third torp), and Langleys torps do more damage. So Langley is better against anything else than DD.

[Klaskovilte]

 

Langley get 4/5 hit per drop, Hosho get 2x2 (3x2 if enemy is kind enought and manage to do perfect turn to catch third torp), and Langleys torps do more damage. So Langley is better against anything else than DD.

 

if you hit 4-5 per drop you are [edited]epic. Unless you are targetting a battleship.

 

Its easier to hit with th JPN one since you have 2 squadrons and can hit from 2 angles

[Flavio1997]

Yes guys, but if you use your brain you will  get  that the 2 power of the  osho isn't  ths cross torps drop.

LAgley: torpedo drop on bb, 4/5 hits (it's  hard to hit with more because tier 4 bbs are short) 24k of damage, 2 floodings: he repair and heal 18k of damage, total damage 6k

Hosho: 1squadron drop on bbs 2/3 hits 1-2 floodings 14k of damage:  he repair and heal 11k of damage, THEN you attack with 2nd drop, another 2-3 hits, 15 k of damage + 11k of damage by floading ( 25% of enemy hp, 0.3%×85secs) he sunk or is fucked, total damage per run 29k...

Difference of real damage per run: 23k of damage

[ShockPirat]

Hosho can hit with one torp spread, let the enemy flood, and when they finally repair torp them again. There lies the true power of Hosho. I've sank Langleys in one run like that.

As for lower tier IJN vs higher US... Sink them in one run it is totally doable vs anything lower than Lexington. And the best/worst thing is US CV simply CAN'T survive without cruiser escort unless he's running fighter loadout.

[Mindfulcrane07]

 

if you hit 4-5 per drop you are [edited]epic. Unless you are targetting a battleship.

 

Its easier to hit with th JPN one since you have 2 squadrons and can hit from 2 angles

 

slry hitting with 4 torps from US CV is really easy actualy 5 is very doable even 6 sometimes and you can not hit the same ship with more than 3 torps from Jap Torp bombers most of the time only 2

[Klaskovilte]

 

slry hitting with 4 torps from US CV is really easy actualy 5 is very doable even 6 sometimes and you can not hit the same ship with more than 3 torps from Jap Torp bombers most of the time only 2

 

This is the worlds biggest exageration AND understatement at the same time.

 

Congrats

[Mindfulcrane07]

 

This is the worlds biggest exageration AND understatement at the same time.

 

Congrats

 

no i dont think so.

[Vulgarny]

He is ST so I shouldnt agree with him., but sadly I am.

[Mindfulcrane07]

He is ST so I shouldnt agree with him., but sadly I am.

 

please tell me what does being a ST have to do with anything?

[Rambe]

Yes guys, but if you use your brain you will  get  that the 2 power of the  osho isn't  ths cross torps drop.

LAgley: torpedo drop on bb, 4/5 hits (it's  hard to hit with more because tier 4 bbs are short) 24k of damage, 2 floodings: he repair and heal 18k of damage, total damage 6k

Hosho: 1squadron drop on bbs 2/3 hits 1-2 floodings 14k of damage:  he repair and heal 11k of damage, THEN you attack with 2nd drop, another 2-3 hits, 15 k of damage + 11k of damage by floading ( 25% of enemy hp, 0.3%×85secs) he sunk or is fucked, total damage per run 29k...

Difference of real damage per run: 23k of damage

 

Yeas, Hosho is godly if you have free reingn and can exploit flooding, but your Repai Party numbers are way of, first Repair Party fix max 14% of max hp per use (and I think I remember that III-IV tier BBs Repair Party run less than 28s, healing is 0.5%/s) and second is that torps do (almost exlussively) heavy damage so you can only repair ~10% of that damage you take, flooding exluded (that one is light damage and almost fully repairable).

[BigBadB]

Hosho has 8 TBs in the air, Langley only 6. Also Hosho can do a cross drop, Langley not.

 

Makes no difference if the Langley shoots them all down. Langley's 6 fighters are almost impossible to beat with the Hosho's 4, even if you fight over a friendly CA, as most Tier III and IV CAs have crappy AA.

 

And even if you can keep them alive, Japanese torpedo bombers have a very wide spread, making it very hard to hit with more than 1, maybe 2 from each drop even against a BB.

 

I'm seriously considering switching to US carriers, as it's so easy for them to achieve air superiority against their Japanese equivalents, not to mention their torpedo bombers drop a very tight pattern with little spread, making it so much easier to achieve multiple hits.