Guarding your CVs

[Whichata_001]

One of those nice helpful hints and tips before the start of every game, prattles on about protecting your CVs. Yet when you do, you receive no XP, just an admonition that 'you haven't proved yourself'. C'mon developers, encourage 'proper' gameplay. Why would you protect your CV when you gain nothing for it.? No awards, XP, zip.

 

 

Whichata.001

[DtXpwnz]

CV shouldn't hide in the corner, it should follow the fleet. If he hides far behind your lines, he shouldn't expect cruisers to babysit him. (also keep in mind that protecting CV is mainly important during early stage of the battle, when carriers are trying to kill each other).

[ColonelPete]

If the carrier moves with fleet, it does not need babysitting.

[viceadmiral123]

Most maps are not suitable to "follow the main fleet", simply because you move yourself closer to the enemy carrier and he can circumvent the ships anyway. Furthermore, if you get detected, you will be taken down by the enemy battleships in 3-4 good salvos.

 

Exp reward and the feeling that you ruined the enemy CV's attack is a good reward for sitting in one spot for 5 minutes.

 

[_Agent_]

You can follow the fleet on all maps just not too closely and as they said it is early game that counts for this so if your CV is moving with the fleet it takes very little effort for a CA to come and help shoot down planes. As to the gain it is - the probability of winning increase if you can keep your carrier alive while destroying all of the planes of the enemy.

[Ascender]

CV shouldn't hide in the corner, it should follow the fleet. If he hides far behind your lines, he shouldn't expect cruisers to babysit him. (also keep in mind that protecting CV is mainly important during early stage of the battle, when carriers are trying to kill each other).

 

You do that in high tiers you get Citadelled by all the enemy battleships everytime you get spotted which you will deu to planes and DDs and the likes. They will prioritize a carrier because of the threat it poses plus the overall squishyness and size making it an important and easy target.

 

The proper solution would be to make fighter splits more appealing which would enable a carrier to defend oneself not requiring the aid of cruisers who can then go off and cover the battleships instead as they're supposed to. Instead all the carriers are being pushed towards group splits with as few fighters as possible resulting in them needing cruisers to save their life.

[Multispec]

 

You do that in high tiers you get Citadelled by all the enemy battleships everytime you get spotted which you will deu to planes and DDs and the likes. They will prioritize a carrier because of the threat it poses plus the overall squishyness and size making it an important and easy target.

 

The proper solution would be to make fighter splits more appealing which would enable a carrier to defend oneself not requiring the aid of cruisers who can then go off and cover the battleships instead as they're supposed to.

 

In most games with a pure strike loadout CV I simply refuse to defend him, especially if its a US CV. If he wants a cruiser to babysit him at least he should have fighters to cover the BBs who lost a cruiser.

[Yorkie_GBR]

Ironically I just came out a of 2 games where our CV were out numbered either by tier or actual numbers and I sent myself to CV guard duty as I do every now and then when I feel particularly benevolent. 

 

In both cases the CV player, neither acknowledged the fact they had an escort, neither kept with the fleet [on Ocean], that game after all the DD's were defeated and their CV posed no threat I abandond him, just so I could land 30 hits on a North Carolina so I did not waste the game. The other match I shot down 32 planes, but no hits on ships and came out with piss poor xp and credits. 

 

So I am now on the brink of not even bothering to escort/protect any CV. 

 

The lack of xp is bearable to a certain extent if you are acknowledged for your time so that the CV player can play their game, these people also need to realise I want to play my game too, but I also like teamwork, 

[m4inbrain]

I start wasting my time in my Atlanta escorting (again, did that, stopped it because of reasons), the second CV captains use their fighters to protect friendly BBs instead of their planes.

 

I'm sorry, but if i waste my time and game (because you do fuckall for XP), i expect the CVs to play teamoriented as well. And honestly, so far, it didn't happen once. Literally, without exaggeration.

[DtXpwnz]

Ironically I just came out a of 2 games where our CV were out numbered either by tier or actual numbers and I sent myself to CV guard duty as I do every now and then when I feel particularly benevolent. 

 

In both cases the CV player, neither acknowledged the fact they had an escort, neither kept with the fleet [on Ocean], that game after all the DD's were defeated and their CV posed no threat I abandond him, just so I could land 30 hits on a North Carolina so I did not waste the game. The other match I shot down 32 planes, but no hits on ships and came out with piss poor xp and credits. 

 

So I am now on the brink of not even bothering to escort/protect any CV. 

 

The lack of xp is bearable to a certain extent if you are acknowledged for your time so that the CV player can play their game, these people also need to realise I want to play my game too, but I also like teamwork, 

 

you can usually distiquish decent CV captain just by the fact that he communicates in the chat and arrange where you will go together...

[ColonelPete]

DtXpwnz, on 11 August 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

CV shouldn't hide in the corner, it should follow the fleet. If he hides far behind your lines, he shouldn't expect cruisers to babysit him. (also keep in mind that protecting CV is mainly important during early stage of the battle, when carriers are trying to kill each other).

 

You do that in high tiers you get Citadelled by all the enemy battleships everytime you get spotted which you will deu to planes and DDs and the likes. They will prioritize a carrier because of the threat it poses plus the overall squishyness and size making it an important and easy target.

 

The proper solution would be to make fighter splits more appealing which would enable a carrier to defend oneself not requiring the aid of cruisers who can then go off and cover the battleships instead as they're supposed to. Instead all the carriers are being pushed towards group splits with as few fighters as possible resulting in them needing cruisers to save their life.

Do I understand that correctly? You propose to go all offense with a carrier to "maximize" you income and require cruisers to take care of you defense? That they can "enjoy" their minimal XP for shooting down some plane.

 

[Ascender]

Do I understand that correctly? You propose to go all offense with a carrier to "maximize" you income and require cruisers to take care of you defense? That they can "enjoy" their minimal XP for shooting down some plane.

 

You understand correctly that a lot of carrier players are currently doing this - I am not proposing it, it's already happening since aircraft splits got reworked in early closed beta. I am/was not one of them, I like to be "in control of my own fate" as I like to describe it, though recently I have been unable to do this on tier 10 because of the crappy performance of the fighters in this particular tier and the strength of the torpedo bombers & bombers on this tier. But up to that point I was happily running 2-2-2 and 3-2-2 splits on tier 7-9 still dealing more than enough damage. But it's true a lot of people just forsake this for going full strike and I see a lot of them not even bothering to be creative with their planes and just flying them over and over and over into waves of fighters and anti-aircraft fire, it's cringeworthy.

[Tomerell]

 

you can usually distiquish decent CV captain just by the fact that he communicates in the chat and arrange where you will go together...

 

I usually ask from the team at the start where they are heading... and very rarely get any answers at all what others are planning to do, let alone getting a CA coverage.

But I always carry fighters on board, although I play IJN carriers, to protect my self and my planes. So I rarely rely on a CA support only...

[Sub_Eleven]

 

you can usually distiquish decent CV captain just by the fact that he communicates in the chat and arrange where you will go together...

 

^ That. As a cruiser drive ri stopped offering, they need to ask.

[DtXpwnz]

 

I usually ask from the team at the start where they are heading... and very rarely get any answers at all what others are planning to do, let alone getting a CA coverage.

But I always carry fighters on board, although I play IJN carriers, to protect my self and my planes. So I rarely rely on a CA support only...

 

If I feel like there is a threat that enemy CV will try to sink me, I allways ask for AA support from cruisers, eventually ask directly one player driving suitable cruiser around. And then communicate where to go. I remember only 1 game recently where no-one responded and was willing to help, map border that was... But that is exception, and it was weird game late in night, where I was in Shokaku and almost everyone else was T6-T7, this doesn't happen at higher tiers. This, on its own is a pretty good reason why play higher tiers, more teamwork. Even after the initial threat is gone, you should never be too far from your fleet.

[Dont_Care_2015]

Has a CL/CA player I don't care about CVs, they could all die in my team, why, no support the only thing they care about is making dmg/exp and screw the team play to win!

 

Even today asked a CV to spot so I could better protect him from 2 CA that were coming at him, didn't listen, this happens all the time!

 

Only a few play as an actually team!

 

So I'm done being the good guy!

 

[WhoCares01]

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The other match I shot down 32 planes, but no hits on ships and came out with piss poor xp and credits. 

...

 

I don't consider 110k for 32 planes a terribly bad result.

Granted, I did not defend our Midway but got focussed by the enemy Midway and Taiho right at the start of the round. Maybe the value is depending on the tier, and it helps that those were T9/10 planes?!

Well possible that I would have ended worse if I tried to slug it out with the enemy Yamato, Montana and/or Iowas.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

 

In most games with a pure strike loadout CV I simply refuse to defend him, especially if its a US CV. If he wants a cruiser to babysit him at least he should have fighters to cover the BBs who lost a cruiser.

 

I start wasting my time in my Atlanta escorting (again, did that, stopped it because of reasons), the second CV captains use their fighters to protect friendly BBs instead of their planes.

 

If the CV has Fighters, why would he need a cruiser for AA?

 

And about CV players at large:

 

Ever since the OBT opened there is a great number of CV players who don't have the foggiest idea what they have to do to help win a game. And you find these bad players in all Tiers (at least up to eight, 'cause that's what I have encountered myself).

Had one Tier 8 CV Captain today who spent nearly ten minutes searching for his Tier 10 opponent. And when he found him, he wasn't even able to sink him... and all the time the whole opposing team was free to act as they wanted..

 

Good CV players will know when to ask for help - bad ones will yell for it always...

 

[Seinta]

If a CV desides to hug a corner, he is not worth saving, as he will not contribute as much as a CV close to the fleet.

Especialy IJN CVs, there is no excuse to hugging a corner when you have epic stealth. Tailing the main force gives Cruisers the oportunity to get in the fight fast after succesfull defence and allows the CV to attack faster.

[Multispec]

If the CV has Fighters, why would he need a cruiser for AA?

 

As a cruiser I can be at 1 spot and can't intercept bombers as fast as fighters can, if fleet is split between 2-3 main groups and I happen to be at the group not being attacked. Also, I can intercept DDs and engage cruisers coming near the CV area. If he can't be arsed helping protect the team with fighters, I can't be arsed helping defend him. It is really very simple.-

 

 

[Riithi]

Enemy CVs can choose where and when to attack, so if you sit with your AA cruisers besides your own CV, expect a very boring and lonesome match, because the enemy carrier will just pick another juicier target.

 

Your guns are needed at the frontline...

 

This doesnt mean you should try to steer for an intercept on approaching enemy planes towards your CV... The best spot is between your and their CV.

[Battledragon]

One annoying round I had I spent 2 minutes running round and round my CV with hoards of enemy fighters for some reason flying over me, and having to run back to guard the cv when torpedo bombers showed up  then finding out I'd been guarding a ship that had been AFK THE ENTIRE TIME!    Oh well, at least I got about 17 AA kills with my Yubari, and kept an enemy CV busy for the first 2-3 minutes of the battle   But while this was going on the other enemy CV had sunk two of our battleships.

[Interdiction]

I have given up on asking or getting any help with aa for my CV ...I now only do a loadout of bombers and look after my own interests ...I will hug a CA but Its only to my advantage 

 

There is little to no team work in this game 

 

 

[Spellfire40]

For all those who want to meve the CV with your fleet:

 

You keeping it from being spoted?

Your will disengage when it get atacked to provide AA cover while your shoting up enemy BBs?

A spoted CV is a dead CV

A Strike CV dont needs AA cover for the whole game. It needs cover for it 1st strike because the team that dont cover its CV if both have strike ones usally will lose it and the team who loses its CV will have an uphill balltle ahead.

Dont get it wrong: Nobdy can force you to do anything. Play as you like. Just dont [edited] about it if 5 min of covering you CV can be the difference of a good and abymal one and then blame it on your CV.

cya

 

Spellfire40

[Tomerell]

If a CV desides to hug a corner, he is not worth saving, as he will not contribute as much as a CV close to the fleet.

Especialy IJN CVs, there is no excuse to hugging a corner when you have epic stealth. Tailing the main force gives Cruisers the oportunity to get in the fight fast after succesfull defence and allows the CV to attack faster.

 

Sorry for being a bit sarcastic, but epic stealth is huge overestimate....