The main reason for toxic chat: the match maker

[AlwaysBadLuckWithTeams]

One can bring in lower tiers to games they clearly should not be in.

Or well coordinated clan premades that totally own the PUG game.

There is a ridiculous carrier balance like VIII vs VI (not grouped) or the usual +1 numbers for one side.

MM doesn't factor in the skill of the players or the perks of the captain.

MM doesn't look at the state of the ships (stock or fully upgraded).

And sometimes, even the default 3 tier difference is enough for people to lose it. Talk about psychology, if people feel useless from the start, they will be, often quitting right after loading.

 

If enough of these points hit the fan, games go very badly. Which results in name calling, racism, team kills/damage. How many team chat swearing have you read in games where you were on the "seal clubber" side ? And how much tolerance to subpar playing is left after a serious losing streak ? People feel betrayed by hard-to-follow team compositions and become aggressive. All too human.

 

But hey, keep blaming bad manners and age of the players. I blame the extreme circumstances people are put into.

[Admiral_noodle]

There's no excuse for toxic chat. It's a game for goodness sake.

 

However I get the distinct feeling MM is being "tested" at present...

[mtm78]

No no no, the main reason for toxic chat are carriers, because carriers OP. Then torpedo's because torpedo's OP. Then HE, because fire is OP, then DD's because they fire torpedo's which are OP and aren't even spotted when they do. 

 

In short, there is toxic chat because people see the game as imbalanced, or unfair. Mostly, this is due to players not being competent/aware of the things they should do to counter XYZ, partly it is due because the game is in beta and some things will require some fine tuning.

[Eternus_Damnatio]

I am guilty of what you call toxic chat at times unfortunately I have a low tolerance threshold for idiots and I have ADHD. The majority of the time however I do refrain from saying anything but on occasion it boils over and I can be a bit ott.

Idiots who pay no attention to what they are doing with torps and don't even have the courtesy to apologize. The guys who sit there doing nothing when there are only a couple of enemy ships in front and the other flank is falling because they do not have enough ships. And nine times out of ten these people start giving attitude when you point these things out,

Yes this is a game but I play to win I am not some bleeding heart liberal who thinks last pace deserves a big pat on the back. That is not to say I don't mind losing a game when it has been a good contest.

If anyone ever sees me losing my rag at someone just ask me to chill or something don't start getting on your high horse as that will only exasperate the situation I am only human. 

 

[Maj_Havoc]

It has nothing to do with the MM, if MM were fine the toxicity would be directed at something else. NO, it is because there is no paywall keeping players in line, they have nothing to lose if they are banned, they just roll another account. Show me a single free2play game where the community is not largely toxic and I will show you the exception to the rule.

[daki]

One can bring in lower tiers to games they clearly should not be in.

Or well coordinated clan premades that totally own the PUG game.

There is a ridiculous carrier balance like VIII vs VI (not grouped) or the usual +1 numbers for one side.

MM doesn't factor in the skill of the players or the perks of the captain.

MM doesn't look at the state of the ships (stock or fully upgraded).

And sometimes, even the default 3 tier difference is enough for people to lose it. Talk about psychology, if people feel useless from the start, they will be, often quitting right after loading.

 

If enough of these points hit the fan, games go very badly. Which results in name calling, racism, team kills/damage. How many team chat swearing have you read in games where you were on the "seal clubber" side ? And how much tolerance to subpar playing is left after a serious losing streak ? People feel betrayed by hard-to-follow team compositions and become aggressive. All too human.

 

But hey, keep blaming bad manners and age of the players. I blame the extreme circumstances people are put into.

 

No, the main reason for toxic chat are toxic players.

If there would be no useless and pointless whines and rages in the chat by players about MM, there would be less of a problem.

We have already enough topics on forums so everyone (incl. WG) is aware of the feelings of the part of population so no need for more toxic chat.

[simonmd]

No no no, the main reason for toxic chat are carriers, because carriers OP. Then torpedo's because torpedo's OP. Then HE, because fire is OP, then DD's because they fire torpedo's which are OP and aren't even spotted when they do. 

 

In short, there is toxic chat because people see the game as imbalanced, or unfair. Mostly, this is due to players not being competent/aware of the things they should do to counter XYZ, partly it is due because the game is in beta and some things will require some fine tuning.

Your status as a 'supertester' and the fact youve been a member here for over three years now is stopping me from just outright calling you a very, very rude name. Instead, I will take a deep intake of breath and try to show some respect, instead, asking you to justify what is to me, a ludicrous claim and answer to this thread. You a seriously saying that someone verbally attacking someone else is due to an OP Torpedo???????? Seriously, In your opinion, you REALLY think that the MAIN REASON (your words) for the state of chat right now is because of AIRCRAFT CARRIERS???? Jesus, words fail me.

 

To the original poster, you may indeed have a point, while overall I agree with the good Admiral above, I think the frustration element is indeed a big part of it. Certainly, the majority of people dont suddenly call each other names without provocation and the feeling of anger and frustration on being part of a 'team' that doesnt work is very real. However, I dont see what we can do to combat this, the game's developers don't seem to be that interested and without some kind of consequence for bad behavior, which can only be dealt by them, there is nothing to stop such a thing continuing. 

[Maj_Havoc]

Your status as a 'supertester' and the fact youve been a member here for over three years now is stopping me from just outright calling you a very, very rude name. Instead, I will take a deep intake of breath and try to show some respect, instead, asking you to justify what is to me, a ludicrous claim and answer to this thread. You a seriously saying that someone verbally attacking someone else is due to an OP Torpedo???????? Seriously, In your opinion, you REALLY think that the MAIN REASON (your words) for the state of chat right now is because of AIRCRAFT CARRIERS???? Jesus, words fail me.

 

To the original poster, you may indeed have a point, while overall I agree with the good Admiral above, I think the frustration element is indeed a big part of it. Certainly, the majority of people dont suddenly call each other names without provocation and the feeling of anger and frustration on being part of a 'team' that doesnt work is very real. However, I dont see what we can do to combat this, the game's developers don't seem to be that interested and without some kind of consequence for bad behavior, which can only be dealt by them, there is nothing to stop such a thing continuing. 

NM

[simonmd]

It has nothing to do with the MM, if MM were fine the toxicity would be directed at something else. NO, it is because there is no paywall keeping players in line, they have nothing to lose if they are banned, they just roll another account. Show me a single free2play game where the community is not largely toxic and I will show you the exception to the rule.

 

Robocraft is one I can name. The forums can be a bit vocal but on the whole, the in game chat is limited to small exchanges, most of which are just in game warnings or trying to be helpful. I dare say the games fast pace which means that you dont have time to type out a tirade of insults is a factor. Here, while observing after being sunk or even just steaming from one point to another, we do have time to type out various things and I think thats part of the problem.

 

Maybe the in game chat should scrapped, with an improved team pointer / notification system put in place instead. Then you can suggest waypoints, warn of attack, call for help, etc. but not actually engage in a verbal conversation. Chat could be retained for members of a Division maybe, i'm not sure how practical that would be.

[mtm78]

Your status as a 'supertester' and the fact youve been a member here for over three years now is stopping me from just outright calling you a very, very rude name. Instead, I will take a deep intake of breath and try to show some respect, instead, asking you to justify what is to me, a ludicrous claim and answer to this thread. You a seriously saying that someone verbally attacking someone else is due to an OP Torpedo???????? Seriously, In your opinion, you REALLY think that the MAIN REASON (your words) for the state of chat right now is because of AIRCRAFT CARRIERS???? Jesus, words fail me.

 

To the original poster, you may indeed have a point, while overall I agree with the good Admiral above, I think the frustration element is indeed a big part of it. Certainly, the majority of people dont suddenly call each other names without provocation and the feeling of anger and frustration on being part of a 'team' that doesnt work is very real. However, I dont see what we can do to combat this, the game's developers don't seem to be that interested and without some kind of consequence for bad behavior, which can only be dealt by them, there is nothing to stop such a thing continuing. 

 

No no no, the main reason for toxic chat are carriers, because carriers OP. Then torpedo's because torpedo's OP. Then HE, because fire is OP, then DD's because they fire torpedo's which are OP and aren't even spotted when they do. 

 

In short, there is toxic chat because people see the game as imbalanced, or unfair. Mostly, this is due to players not being competent/aware of the things they should do to counter XYZ, partly it is due because the game is in beta and some things will require some fine tuning.

 

Read it again please, this time don't forget this is the internet and you're on the WoWs forum 

 

edit: If you're taking the first line as true, shame on me for not adding this to it ->  Even the second line isn't devoid of some sarcasm. I am not claiming people are toxic because they are incompetent, the main reason for toxic chat is this ->

 

No, the main reason for toxic chat are toxic players.

 

Is there really ever any doubt about this? Now, toxicity can be fueled, and this fuel can be incompetence, or thinking something is unfair/imbalanced ( which often can correlate with incompetence of the observer but that is not the point ). 

 

edit2:

 

@Simonmd -> http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/18204-carriers-are-op-battleships-are-op-cruisers-are-op-destroyers-are-op/

 

Take note of the thread title, and the first sentence in the opening post

[Admiral_noodle]

 

Yea sarcasm

Toxic chat is caused by people having poor emotional control and a keyboard...

 

To Eternus_Damnatio -> would recommend politely attempting to give orders in a timely manner eg: "cruiser x, we could do with you engaging y" - or pinging the map - if it's me and the suggestion appears sound I will usually follow...

 

Try thinking of "idiots" as raw recruits - or maybe they are absorbed in a fight and haven't noticed the "obvious". Try to suggest politely. With urgency but no insults. I find it has positive outcomes

[Maj_Havoc]

 

Robocraft is one I can name. The forums can be a bit vocal but on the whole, the in game chat is limited to small exchanges, most of which are just in game warnings or trying to be helpful. I dare say the games fast pace which means that you dont have time to type out a tirade of insults is a factor. Here, while observing after being sunk or even just steaming from one point to another, we do have time to type out various things and I think thats part of the problem.

 

Maybe the in game chat should scrapped, with an improved team pointer / notification system put in place instead. Then you can suggest waypoints, warn of attack, call for help, etc. but not actually engage in a verbal conversation. Chat could be retained for members of a Division maybe, i'm not sure how practical that would be.

Robocraft, really? You do read the posts from that community over in the steam forums, or do you just ignore that part of the community and dismiss their comments.

[beani5003]

at the end of the day, people are people, you put them in a competative environment, and they will slit each others throats to win. some people are better at keeping it to themselves than others. There is nothing you can do about it, other than going to play single player games (even then you come across it, as YOU want to win).

 

The real question you have to be asking yourselves is, why are you getting upset, or emotional, or even bothered, by some text on a screen, written by someone you dont know, that lives hundreds, if not thousands of miles away? seriously, grow up.

[Eternus_Damnatio]

 

Yea sarcasm

 

Toxic chat is caused by people having poor emotional control and a keyboard...

 

To Eternus_Damnatio -> would recommend politely attempting to give orders in a timely manner eg: "cruiser x, we could do with you engaging y" - or pinging the map - if it's me and the suggestion appears sound I will usually follow...

 

Try thinking of "idiots" as raw recruits - or maybe they are absorbed in a fight and haven't noticed the "obvious". Try to suggest politely. With urgency but no insults. I find it has positive outcomes

I do 90% of the time just trying to raise that % and keep my anger/frustration in check.

Can be easy to forget at times that some people may be new to this kind of gaming or young.

[Admiral_noodle]

Well yea. Even I lose it sometimes but not long enough to type it in chat usually

 

[Eternus_Damnatio]

at the end of the day, people are people, you put them in a competative environment, and they will slit each others throats to win. some people are better at keeping it to themselves than others. There is nothing you can do about it, other than going to play single player games (even then you come across it, as YOU want to win).

 

The real question you have to be asking yourselves is, why are you getting upset, or emotional, or even bothered, by some text on a screen, written by someone you dont know, that lives hundreds, if not thousands of miles away? seriously, grow up.

 

I agree however sometimes that red mist descends and all logic and reason go out the window for 5 minutes.

[Venatacia]

One can bring in lower tiers to games they clearly should not be in.

Or well coordinated clan premades that totally own the PUG game.

There is a ridiculous carrier balance like VIII vs VI (not grouped) or the usual +1 numbers for one side.

MM doesn't factor in the skill of the players or the perks of the captain.

MM doesn't look at the state of the ships (stock or fully upgraded).

And sometimes, even the default 3 tier difference is enough for people to lose it. Talk about psychology, if people feel useless from the start, they will be, often quitting right after loading.

 

If enough of these points hit the fan, games go very badly. Which results in name calling, racism, team kills/damage. How many team chat swearing have you read in games where you were on the "seal clubber" side ? And how much tolerance to subpar playing is left after a serious losing streak ? People feel betrayed by hard-to-follow team compositions and become aggressive. All too human.

 

But hey, keep blaming bad manners and age of the players. I blame the extreme circumstances people are put into.

 

I agree with you. WG are very good at what I call "winding you up" . One of the main reasons why I left WoT and was hoping it would be better in this game but nope!.

 

 

 

Before to day my win rate (another rage inducing stat) dropped from 62% to 58% over a week and man the frustration. Being in teams you know you have lost before it starts. All because of the reasons you stated and more. It's why I don't take anyone seriously when they rage, most of the time you can understand why they do. Though it's also why I stayed away from PvP games for 10 years, swore I would never play one again but man, here I am being suckered in again.

[simonmd]

Robocraft, really? You do read the posts from that community over in the steam forums, or do you just ignore that part of the community and dismiss their comments.

 

Yes, really. You asked for an example, THERE IT IS. I have played Robocraft for ages, certainly got a few hundred hours in it and I have NEVER seen such toxic, insulting and downright scary behavior as I have seen here. I was so shocked, you may remember I even started a thread about it myself asking what on earth was going on and if the dev's did anything about it. On the forums, like I said, there can be quite a few heated debates but I have NEVER seen anyone say to another player things like "go die and kill your family too.." or indeed, had personal threats made against me like I have in the WoWs game chat. 

 

Again, you asked, I answered.

[xsmilingbanditx]

Nah...for the most part, it's because

 

a) People think they are the centre of the universe and thus, other players have to adhere their wisdom

b) The overall game mechanics of WoWS (like WoT) are so simple, everybody thinks he's an expert gamer

 

and that's about it. I certainly fell to a) sometimes when i don't join the lemming train but try to cover the abandoned flank, ending up dead and watching the team getting sandwiched

[simonmd]

Nah...for the most part, it's because

 

a) People think they are the centre of the universe and thus, other players have to adhere their wisdom

 

You mean, i'm not the only one? 

[Ammboz]

I am guilty of what you call toxic chat at times unfortunately I have a low tolerance threshold for idiots and I have ADHD. The majority of the time however I do refrain from saying anything but on occasion it boils over and I can be a bit ott.

Idiots who pay no attention to what they are doing with torps and don't even have the courtesy to apologize. The guys who sit there doing nothing when there are only a couple of enemy ships in front and the other flank is falling because they do not have enough ships. And nine times out of ten these people start giving attitude when you point these things out,

Yes this is a game but I play to win I am not some bleeding heart liberal who thinks last pace deserves a big pat on the back. That is not to say I don't mind losing a game when it has been a good contest.

If anyone ever sees me losing my rag at someone just ask me to chill or something don't start getting on your high horse as that will only exasperate the situation I am only human. 

 

 

So are the other players.

[22cm]

I am slowly turning toxic myself.

 

[YukiEiriKun]

Only reason for toxic chat sits right there, between your chair and keyboard.

I actually was wondering how many BetaTesters have become a horrid crybabies after the start of the OBT. :-/

 

I try to keep my whine at the game and forums on minimal because it just feeds itself.

One guy whines about MM, another joins in and soon we have a huge circle-thingamabob where everyon just screams how bad the MM is.

 

Latest example was this Gamescom whine.

I saw .. one or two Gamescom accounts during the whole time. And admit they did not do any good, but they did not do any bad either. (well, I am at tier 6 so it really had no affect it had on higer tiers, but still)

 

Personally I'm still having fun. I am doing OK stats-wise. I try to be supportive at the game chat, giving compliments to good salvos, enemy and own alike. It keeps my mood better and thus I perform better.

 

But if you are fueled by your hatered or incapable of self controll ... well ... GG?

[Admiral_noodle]

I often start with a gl hf all because it makes toxicity harder to initiate. Not totally but anything I can do to make it a happier place...

[the_dude33]

I often start with a gl hf all because it makes toxicity harder to initiate. Not totally but anything I can do to make it a happier place...

 

I think that's a very good thing to do. Reduces anger levels from the beginning. Good karma, too.

 

Now, I actually don't think that the vast majority of people are inherently toxic, as others have been saying. They become toxic out of frustration, a result of being torn between a very attractive game and the considerable problems it still has. And I think it is the roots of this frustration that need to be addressed. Yes, I'm talking to you, WG.