What's the deal with cruiser gameplay on higher tiers?

[OVanBruce]

Cruiser gameplay on the higher tiers has considerably gotten worse since OBT, or at least that's the impression I've gotten from the matches I've done in my Mogami.

 

- Cruiser vs cruiser encounters have considerably being dumbed down to an HE fest in which AP only has its place when the enemy is dumb enough to show its broadside. Long are gone the days when a patient player could deal lots of damage in a single salvo because nowadays it will be mauled down by HE before it even has the chance to do so. Even if you decide to swith to AP in the middle of a fight, the reload times will most likely miss the oportunity so why switch?

- What's the point of 203 mm Mogami? Really, I love the idea of packing a big punch with my guns but i have to do it from a long distance otherwise I won't be able to survive long thanks to the HE storm. I've installed the concealment mod to make my job easier but if I'm unlucky enough to find an Atlanta or Mogami with 155 mm close enough I'll be dead in seconds thanks to completely unskilled HE spam. And even if I managge to keep my distance, enemy manouvering will negate my damage.This is what hurts me the most since HE spam works in every situation against any kind of player when it's the shell that requires less skill to shoot effectively.

- Fighting against a battleship is impossible. HE damage has been reduced by a great margin combined with the huge damage 406 mm does to cruisers, even when they simply hit the ship in non citadel places (frontal citadels with 20k damage from the front are not unusual) has made fighting against a battleship a non profitable move. Simply put, it has finally become what a lot of people desired: cruisers are simply food for BBs. I'll not comment on the accuracy of the guns simply because I can't know how many of those players are using aim cheat or not.

- With the nerf of AA if a cruiser is alone it will also become food for CVs, nuff said.

- And finally, the most important issue:The new maps offer no places to play as a cruiser. Two brothers is comprised of two big shooting galleries in which everything is decided by the BBs or the CVs. Cruisers are just there to cover from planes the BBs and the CVs. Hot spot has 3 places with islands in which a cruiser can play but 2 of then are very irrelevant to the outcome of the match (the groups of islands north and south) and the other doesn't have space for manouvering as a cruiser (the group of islands east). Compared to older maps like Islands of Ice, New Dawn, North, etc. All of those have great spots, relevant to the outcome of the match in which cruisers are important and can use their strenghts effectively to tip the balance of the encounter in their favour against any adversary.

 

All in all, it's becoming a core playing a cruiser, with great matches in which I can do lots of stuff and others in which an Amagi or a North Carolina shoots in my direction and takes halve of my health by hitting me in the bow or stern.

 

Playing a cruiser is suffering, not as much as a DD, I know, but it's suffering nonetheless.

[Vanhal]

 I'll not comment on the accuracy of the guns simply because I can't know how many of those players are using aim cheat or not.

 

Wat

[Flavio1997]

So...in one point you say that he spam  is too powerfull, while in the 2nd you say that is ineffective against  bbs...Clear your mind.

Bbs are your hardcounter, live with that, but if you team up a bit, you will see that every b  will burn down.

Aa nerf on cruiser? Wtf are you saying?  Cruiser from cbt to obt hadn't  any nerf in aa power, and with the aa skill and  fighter plane if you sink you have  been outplayed, or you have been  very stupid.

And ofc, if Bbs at tier 8 are accurate is because  they use aim bot...bha you are funny.

Huge damage of bbs? Hell, they are firing little car's  size  shells, they should do a lot of damage, also considering the 30 sec reload time

[viceadmiral123]

Set stuff on fire with low-caliber HE. Give AA support and scout for BBs. Destroy out of position CVs and DDs. Play smart.

 

If you choose high-caliber upgrade, it is complete change of play style that will favor AP and citadel hits against enemy cruisers.. If you are just used to short reload time and fire spams, don't take it.

[Atris2nd]

When I played the Mogami, I -wanted- those 203s. I got them. And then I felt like something was off. Never have I underperformed so much with Mogami. I used to be much better in CBT with her... But something's off now. I pinned it on the fact most higher tier ships reloaded faster than me and fired HE instead of AP with their main guns cause I was going at a good angle - understandable. But there were also cases when a Des Moines and Baltimore were full broadside onto me and I still didn't get citadel hits. The shells did around 8k damage total with 8 hits, but not a single citadel penetration... Somehow. 

 

So in the end, I did what everyone suggested and swapped back to the 155s. The results are noticable as I spam away with HE and people burn to a crisp. It's not a fun way to play, really. If I wanted spambot americans, I would've bought a Cleveland. Mogami now sits there unplayed for awhile now. Would like to play her but I'd like the 203s to be viable first.

 

406mms absolutely wreck, that much is true. Ibuki was trying to escape one of our BBs in one game. She turned stern to him while her broadside was to me. Either she was gonna take a broadside from an Iowa and die or a broadside from a Nagato. Me being the Nagato, I fired and well...Kill an Ibuki on 2/3rds of it's hp with 2 citadels at around 8km. Wouldn't say it was fair. It was satisfying but it was definitely not fair.

[22cm]

 

Playing a cruiser is suffering, not as much as a DD, I know, but it's suffering nonetheless.

 

CV>BB>CA>CL>DD.

[OVanBruce]

 

Wat

 

Didn't you know? There are already 3 working cheat programs that directly change binary code in your RAM which lets you have aim assistance, know where are all enemy ships on map, among other stuff.

 

So...in one point you say that he spam  is too powerfull, while in the 2nd you say that is ineffective against  bbs...Clear your mind.

 

HE damage depends on the armor of the subject. Naturally, cruisers receive more damage since they have less armor.

 

 

a nerf on cruiser? Wtf are you saying?  Cruiser from cbt to obt hadn't  any nerf in aa power, and with the aa skill and  fighter plane if you sink you have  been outplayed, or you have been  very stupid.

 

Your only defence is your AA barrage skill but once it is in cooldown a Taiho will sink or heavility damage you no matter how well you manouver. This is specially true in IJN CAs which have poor AA for its tier.

 

 

 

And ofc, if Bbs at tier 8 are accurate is because  they use aim bot...bha you are funny.

 

Never said this. I just have doubts, that's all. BB drivers are the more prone to get this kind of cheats.

[Userext]

 

Didn't you know? There are already 3 working cheat programs that directly change binary code in your RAM which lets you have aim assistance, know where are all enemy ships on map, among other stuff.

There is no existing and working cheat. Even if somehow it works(which cant) they will ban all mods from game with file encrypting(?). It wouldnt work because they broke the aim assist for game. You cant dwonload a new one. Do you know how games work? Thye bind everything to eachother so if you change something or add something not allowed it will break the game.

 

HE damage depends on the armor of the subject. Naturally, cruisers receive more damage since they have less armor.

Cruisers receive more HE damage from eachother yes but they also have more armour than their ancestors.

 

 

Your only defence is your AA barrage skill but once it is in cooldown a Taiho will sink or heavility damage you no matter how well you manouver. This is specially true in IJN CAs which have poor AA for its tier.

They didnt nerf IJNCAs but it is true they have less AA power. But thats why you need to stay closer to your team.

 

 

Never said this. I just have doubts, that's all. BB drivers are the more prone to get this kind of cheats.

And saying this again. Dont believe the newbie group. They will call everything cheat because simply they dont know how to play yet.(A lot of them are highly arrogant they just cant accept the fact they suck at a new game they started) Anyway world of games series cant have cheat codes on them. The simple cheats form other games is caused by owners of game giving players server files. If you change those you can still get in the game. But if you dont give your players server files they can only fill the wholes you left open. They cant make a new house on top of your game's house. They left the aim assist out but modders somehow found a way to bring it back to life. Then they broke the code completly. Now modders cant fix it because there isnt enough stone to cover the wall. 

 

[OVanBruce]

Userext, even if the files are encripted in the hard drive they are unencripted in the RAM. A program can modify the files loaded to the RAM and bypass any kind of encrypting the game has. A lot of stuff is handled client side in WG titles, this is why WoT is full of cheats and unfair mods. So please, open your eyes, there are working cheats for this game and there will be more until WG invest in a proper anticheat system. Right now this forum is in absolute damage control state where any mention of specific cheats are forbidden. And WG wants this to be as less known as possible because last time we had a shitfest with the aim mod they had to do something to save face. Right now, if another shitstorm about this cheats happen it won't be as simple as encrypting the scripts but having to make a proper anticheat system which would cost a very big sum of money, which WG doesn't want to pay unless, as I mentioned, the cheat stuff gets out of hand.

[Userext]

Userext, even if the files are encripted in the hard drive they are unencripted in the RAM. A program can modify the files loaded to the RAM and bypass any kind of encrypting the game has. A lot of stuff is handled client side in WG titles, this is why WoT is full of cheats and unfair mods. So please, open your eyes, there are working cheats for this game and there will be more until WG invest in a proper anticheat system. Right now this forum is in absolute damage control state where any mention of specific cheats are forbidden. And WG wants this to be as less known as possible because last time we had a shitfest with the aim mod they had to do something to save face. Right now, if another shitstorm about this cheats happen it won't be as simple as encrypting the scripts but having to make a proper anticheat system which would cost a very big sum of money, which WG doesn't want to pay unless, as I mentioned, the cheat stuff gets out of hand.

 

Wot is full of cheats. Tahts true but the cheat comes out from mods. Right now? there possibly can be some cheats in wows. Because WG will be changing their file encrypting. I dont exactly know how to do these stuff so i cant go deep in. But i know for fact that some games can block modding fully. Those cheats wouldnt come up if modding would be blocked. I had a friend that is in a big computer company in my country. He mentioned about WoT's protection over cheats. He said files cant be changed into the way modders want. Which is why there is no wall hack or anything here. Players receive most important files from game during battles. The only thing they can change is auto aim and thats due to wows team leaving the system in game. They broke it but they didnt delete it. 

[Sharana]

You tried the cheats yourself or you will speak out of "common knowledge"? Few days ago one of the russians devs said that they keep and eye on such things and up to that point there are no such working "cheats". But everyone is free to waste his money and "buy" them based on youtube videos and "comments from players who use them and they work".

[Bl4ckh0g]

Weren't cruisers like always bad against battleships?

As far as I remember the only occasions when I could kill a battleship without engaging in a 5 minute slugfest or losing 70% of my HP was when I could do a torpedo run on It with an IJN CA.

I barely played since OBT, but there wasn't really any nerf that would change the way cruisers play, or was there?

 

[Userext]

Weren't cruisers like always bad against battleships?

As far as I remember the only occasions when I could kill a battleship without engaging in a 5 minute slugfest or losing 70% of my HP was when I could do a torpedo run on It with an IJN CA.

I barely played since OBT, but there wasn't really any nerf that would change the way cruisers play, or was there?

 

 

no there wasnt 

[Sub_Eleven]

[AgarwaenME]

HE is OP when used against me (and seriously, if you get killed by an atlanta before you can wreck it, you should maybe just give up now) but UP when I use it against others... 

 

 

Also, everyone else is using cheats!! 

[Bl4ckh0g]

Hmmm

I do not know about the current HE-AP balance

Well, I know some but that was from CBT and since then They changed a few things

And in tier 1-4 battles HE and AP is barely matters, when ships have at most 60 mm armor, though I remember getting burned down by a Hashimashi in the Kawachi

 

Is there really that much of a difference?

Because like AP does not do bad damage even without citadel hits, isn't perhaps fire damage bit over the top instead of HE damage?

 

[ttchip]

Weren't cruisers like always bad against battleships?

As far as I remember the only occasions when I could kill a battleship without engaging in a 5 minute slugfest or losing 70% of my HP was when I could do a torpedo run on It with an IJN CA.

I barely played since OBT, but there wasn't really any nerf that would change the way cruisers play, or was there?

 

 

In low tiers you have enough newbies that either spam HE and/or can't aim for crap, meaning that you can actually beat BBs in CLs. In higher tiers, that's not really possible anymore unless you yolo-torp a BB with your IJN CA.

 

You tried the cheats yourself or you will speak out of "common knowledge"? Few days ago one of the russians devs said that they keep and eye on such things and up to that point there are no such working "cheats". But everyone is free to waste his money and "buy" them based on youtube videos and "comments from players who use them and they work".

 

To be fair, what did you expect him to say? "There's all kinds of cheats out there and we're too lazy to do anything about them."?

[Interdiction]

I have been torped by a team mate when I was in my Kongo ....Reason. ....I was going way too fast ....There is no way a Kongo can go 30 knots .......So he killed a cheater ( in his eyes ) 

 

I like to get up close and personal with the Kongo and to this day I have never suffered any Rng ....I always manage to pound them .....Lucky me 

[Pawndemonium]

That's probably the most useless topic you've created so far, and that means something...

 

- Cruiser battles require both ammo types, with a few exceptions, like the Atlanta. It just depends on the angle and the distance what to use.

 

- You fit 203mm guns for a long range boost. The firing arc is way easier to handle at greater distances. If you have issues in a Mogami versus an Atlanta you probably should uninstall the game. Lower calibre shells are way harder to handle at longer distances.

 

- Fighting BBs is mostly about HE spam, cruisers are in a support role here. While many people cry about fires, they apparently ignore all the tools they have to make them an insignificant nuissance at best. Group up and bully the bully... that's how it works. BBs are a soft counter to CAs, be glad that most captains don't think that way, and just exploit their ignorance, to make them create topics about RNG

 

- What AA nerf?

 

- The maps are sort of boring, as their numbers are limited (and Hot Spot needs to be removed, the concept sucks and it's unoptimized as hell)... but far from being a shooting gallery, just be annoying to everything you face, that's the main reason why you should play a cruiser to begin with. Don't expect to be the boss who facerolls everything, just have a basic sense of team spirit and adapt to the situation.

[daki]

 

Didn't you know? There are already 3 working cheat programs that directly change binary code in your RAM which lets you have aim assistance, know where are all enemy ships on map, among other stuff.

 

 

Of course the only problem with your statement is that you have absolutely no proof of that (e.g. link to a fresh video).

I prefer the approach "seeing is believing" than your "its theoretically possible so it must exist".

Also I just love how when you have issues fighting BBs, the blame goes to those omnipresent but never actually seen "cheats"...

I guess its because you think you are so skilled in cruisers that it is absolutely impossible to be related to your gameplay

At least you are the clear winner of my -1 of the day

 

 

 

[mtm78]

You tried the cheats yourself or you will speak out of "common knowledge"? Few days ago one of the russians devs said that they keep and eye on such things and up to that point there are no such working "cheats". But everyone is free to waste his money and "buy" them based on youtube videos and "comments from players who use them and they work".

 

I tried arguing with him about this in another thread today, it ended like this..

 

[AnuSuaraj]

Cruiser gameplay on the higher tiers has considerably gotten worse since OBT, or at least that's the impression I've gotten from the matches I've done in my Mogami.

 

- Cruiser vs cruiser encounters have considerably being dumbed down to an HE fest in which AP only has its place when the enemy is dumb enough to show its broadside. Long are gone the days when a patient player could deal lots of damage in a single salvo because nowadays it will be mauled down by HE before it even has the chance to do so. Even if you decide to swith to AP in the middle of a fight, the reload times will most likely miss the oportunity so why switch?

- What's the point of 203 mm Mogami? Really, I love the idea of packing a big punch with my guns but i have to do it from a long distance otherwise I won't be able to survive long thanks to the HE storm. I've installed the concealment mod to make my job easier but if I'm unlucky enough to find an Atlanta or Mogami with 155 mm close enough I'll be dead in seconds thanks to completely unskilled HE spam. And even if I managge to keep my distance, enemy manouvering will negate my damage.This is what hurts me the most since HE spam works in every situation against any kind of player when it's the shell that requires less skill to shoot effectively.

- Fighting against a battleship is impossible. HE damage has been reduced by a great margin combined with the huge damage 406 mm does to cruisers, even when they simply hit the ship in non citadel places (frontal citadels with 20k damage from the front are not unusual) has made fighting against a battleship a non profitable move. Simply put, it has finally become what a lot of people desired: cruisers are simply food for BBs. I'll not comment on the accuracy of the guns simply because I can't know how many of those players are using aim cheat or not.

- With the nerf of AA if a cruiser is alone it will also become food for CVs, nuff said.

- And finally, the most important issue:The new maps offer no places to play as a cruiser. Two brothers is comprised of two big shooting galleries in which everything is decided by the BBs or the CVs. Cruisers are just there to cover from planes the BBs and the CVs. Hot spot has 3 places with islands in which a cruiser can play but 2 of then are very irrelevant to the outcome of the match (the groups of islands north and south) and the other doesn't have space for manouvering as a cruiser (the group of islands east). Compared to older maps like Islands of Ice, New Dawn, North, etc. All of those have great spots, relevant to the outcome of the match in which cruisers are important and can use their strenghts effectively to tip the balance of the encounter in their favour against any adversary.

 

All in all, it's becoming a core playing a cruiser, with great matches in which I can do lots of stuff and others in which an Amagi or a North Carolina shoots in my direction and takes halve of my health by hitting me in the bow or stern.

 

Playing a cruiser is suffering, not as much as a DD, I know, but it's suffering nonetheless.

 

Firstly, I neg-repped you right at the start for being one of those dweebs that really needs to learn to keep his useless anime crap (that nobody fu*king cares about and is quite annoying - no you didn't spam this garbage in this thread but you did in other threads) off of the Forum.

 

Secondly, if higher tier CAs are such a pain on the higher tiers then why is it also the most played class in those same tiers?

 

Thridly, aim mod? Really? Let me guess, you no like get citadeled? Grow up please.

 

Fourthly, I really need more neg reps. One per day is just not enough.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

You tried the cheats yourself or you will speak out of "common knowledge"? Few days ago one of the russians devs said that they keep and eye on such things and up to that point there are no such working "cheats". But everyone is free to waste his money and "buy" them based on youtube videos and "comments from players who use them and they work".

 

WG claimed the same thing for W.o.T so we can't use WG developers as agents of truth, however I have no reason to believe that cheats or hacks exists in WoWS at this moment but over time true aimbots and other types of bot probably will.

[mtm78]

 

WG claimed the same thing for W.o.T so we can't use WG developers as agents of truth, however I have no reason to believe that cheats or hacks exists in WoWS at this moment but over time true aimbots and other types of bot probably will.

 

Link to a WG employee which states there are no cheats/hacks/illegal mods for WoT? I don't think you'll find one, and if you do I don't think he will be an employee for long since his believability just went down the drain 

[Woel]

 

Didn't you know? There are already 3 working cheat programs that directly change binary code in your RAM which lets you have aim assistance, know where are all enemy ships on map, among other stuff.

 

Upvoted because you write hilarious stuff. Best comment yet today, 10/10.