The Bismarck is..................Disappointing as a Tier VIII Battleship

[armholeeio]

To be honest your forgetting one important thing gunnery skills, a large amount of the time Bismarck was locked down in a fjord. Pre war the crew would have trained and would have great gunnery skills but they fade very rapidly if your sat there in a fjord or a harbour blockaded yes you can run through drills but it's time on range where the skills are honed . RN have always been proud of its gunnery skills as they were drilled and drilled till they could do it in their sleep. Yes technology boasts gunnery skills but if you haven't done it for real in a good while you become rusty, while I was army the same approach applies. I could strip an gmpg or a sa80a2 and run through the drills like a boss it got to the point because of reduced budgets for support arms to go onto ranges and marksman principles became rusty as we only got to the range 3 times a year if we were lucky. Same applies to the floaty boat lot, while on a war footing and on sea patrols a captain would do action station drills and live fire practice as often as they could, if your kreigsmarine and sat in a harbour you can't shoot at a moving target while moving as most of the German navy did your going to struggle hitting a target. Most action the kreigsmarine had was with its E boats and u boats

[Machine_Cookie]

a large amount of the time Bismarck was locked down in a fjord.

 

Don't you mean Tirpitz?

[Lance_Horne]

 

There you are missing his point or rather put words into his mouth. He only said "the British ships struggle to effectively engage her whilst they themselves would've been under accurate long range fire" Where is that a predictament of an autcome? Where did he say one side would win easily, or at all? He said they would have problems. While Bismarck would not have been that sitting duck that she was. That's all he said and that's a simply fact. You acted very defensively there, that let me guess you are emotionally involved, while he stated an objective fact.

 

No i am not emotionally involved, I find that remark quite funny, I was replying to Tirpitzs post as I have done many times, you also are missing the point I am trying to put across as well, it did not matter how technically superior Bismark may or may not have been to the British ships, once she had lost her fire control system which any inferior ship could have done to her, Bismarks gunnery fell apart, like Hood she had her weak spots and Rodney and King George V found them and of cause Fairy Swordfish biplanes which Bismarks so called superb gunnery could not shoot down! She was a great ship, but  her myth is greater than the reality.

You may not like it, but the truth is, nearly all the Kriegsmarines superships were destroyed by the Royal Navy and Royal Airforce......that is a fact, not a bunch of paper statistics.

Also why shouldn't I defend the Royal Navy, not that they need me to defend them, their record speaks for itself.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

 

You are missing the point completly, no one can predict the outcome of a naval battle between two ships, in the first battle Bismark came out on top because one of her salvoes blew Hood up, in the second her FC director was damaged so she could not aim properly and consequently she lost, straddling may be fine but Rodney and King George V hit Bismark and wrecked her.

You say the British would have had difficulty in hitting her, Prince of Wales did not, and she was firing with malfunctioning turrets, the Royal Navy was also perfectly capable of hitting ships at long range.

Bismark was a fine ship as were Rodney and King George V and even if Bismark was undamaged, neither you or I could predict the outcome, no matter how many statistics you post, the battle  could go either way.

Take the Graph Spee, driven into Motevideo harbour by 3 cruisers who she easily outgunned and should have destroyed, but eventually defeated by guile and cunning, the superior ship does not always win.

 

With regards to Graf Spee even if that ship had stayed and fought the remaining british cruiser it would most likely have lost due ammunition shortage after spending about 2/3rds of the ammunition with no loss of the british ships in return and would in most likelyhood not been able to overcome the 3 cruisers so even if the victory has been attributed to a british bluff in reality the Graf Spee stood little chance to succeed if it had tried to run the blockade the 3 british cruiser had put up outside Montevideo and Captain Langsdorff made the best decsion by saving his crew instead of letting them die in a futile gesture of bravery.

[Drunken_Jedi]

I too am surprised by the stats for this, in WoT german accuracy is their "thing" I though the same would happen in WoWS but that dispersion is pretty awful. She's a brawler alright, which suits me since I play Warspite exclusively for BB's. I only got so far down the US and IJN BB's to unlock the CV's.

[Lance_Horne]

 

With regards to Graf Spee even if that ship had stayed and fought the remaining british cruiser it would most likely have lost due ammunition shortage after spending about 2/3rds of the ammunition with no loss of the british ships in return and would in most likelyhood not been able to overcome the 3 cruisers so even if the victory has been attributed to a british bluff in reality the Graf Spee stood little chance to succeed if it had tried to run the blockade the 3 british cruiser had put up outside Montevideo and Captain Langsdorff made the best decsion by saving his crew instead of letting them die in a futile gesture of bravery.

 

I agree, the decision to scuttle her was correct, Langsdorff was a gentleman and his actions saved a lot of mens lives on both sides.

[KMS_Tirpitz]

 

No i am not emotionally involved, I find that remark quite funny, I was replying to Tirpitzs post as I have done many times, you also are missing the point I am trying to put across as well, it did not matter how technically superior Bismark may or may not have been to the British ships, once she had lost her fire control system which any inferior ship could have done to her, Bismarks gunnery fell apart, like Hood she had her weak spots and Rodney and King George V found them and of cause Fairy Swordfish biplanes which Bismarks so called superb gunnery could not shoot down! She was a great ship, but  her myth is greater than the reality.

You may not like it, but the truth is, nearly all the Kriegsmarines superships were destroyed by the Royal Navy and Royal Airforce......that is a fact, not a bunch of paper statistics.

Also why shouldn't I defend the Royal Navy, not that they need me to defend them, their record speaks for itself.

 

Thing is this would've happened to ANY battleship Lance, as the fire control system was/is the weak spot on any BB if damaged. But also here the Bismarck was infact better prepared for this than many others due having no less than three directors, 1) the main director [on top] 2) the fore director [front] and 3) the aft director [rear]. Standard procedure was to use the main director until something happened to it, then they would switch to the others. The disadvantage of the fore & aft directors was their limited viewing arc.

 

As for Bismarck in her final battle, what happened was that as her main director was hit and taken out, her fore director was then tasked with taking over, but just as the fore director obtained the range to Rodney it was also knocked out. This left the Bismarck without director fire control due to the aft director not being able to get Rodney within its viewing arc before the entire ship was ablaze. Again remember that the Bismarck was at this point being bombarded by 15+ main caliber guns in addition to the fire from several cruisers & destroyers, all of which were free to maneuver and go as fast as they wished. By comparison Bismarck was a sitting duck going 7 knots in a constant circle, making her an easy target even for a WW1 battleship.

 

In short the Bismarck was faced only with evasive fast moving targets whilst the British were faced with one easy slow moving one unable to maneuver. So that the Bismarck was the first to straddle is a rather striking testament to her superior fire control system.

[armholeeio]

 

Don't you mean Tirpitz?

My bad getting the sister ships mixed. Interesting note in the ships while a good gun platform it struggled design wise which became a fatal flaw, The sea trials had shown that in a event of a steering failure the ability to do reduced course corrections with just the use of the screws was nigh on impossible 

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

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[KMS_Tirpitz]

Posting pictures of post game stats is rather pointless, I've had 5000+ xp games in the Nagato by comparison. It all comes down to circumstance. Either way they should model the Bismarck class with her historical strengths & weaknesses, not fictionalize them.

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

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[HawkEyes__]

They are looking like premium because they are limited. Bismarck was supposed to be premium at first but they decided it to be free. It will be tier 8 BB on the line and tripitz will be tier 8 premium battleship

 

Weird enough though at quickybaby's stream bismarck and tripitz both have torpedoes

 

Edit: Bismarck and rest of german ships will be added at october but the premium Tripitz will probably be added close enough. 2 weeks maybe

 

You are wrong! The Tirpitz have torpedos but not the Bismarck.

[KMS_Tirpitz]

 

It's not. Congrats, but many people are interested in income of premiums and the amount of hits etc. points to how - in your words - "average" you have to drive them in order to gain x amount of credits. XP for itself ist also pointless, since it's related to the multiplicator and a win or loss too.

 

What needs to be looked at are the average statistics, not screenshots of single post battle results as everyone can have a lucky match. Plus you can modify these stats with flags and premium account, so such screenshots really mean nothing.

[banjoman150]

 

So tomorrow should have been patch day but due to technical issues the realese has been pushed back.

The Tirpitz was to be released at the same time but due to the pushed back patch its going to be reased tomorrow alone.

Be ready to empty your pockets and prepare for 5x Tirpitz vs 6xTirpitz

 

Ive heared this info on a german youtubers stream. This person is friends with EiKarrAmba german community contributor amongst other things

EiKarrAmba himself has multiple videos of him driving the Tirpitz.

so i really think this info is legit... otherwise i wouldnt post it

 

GN8 fellas and really REALLY sorry if this probes to be false ...

 

 

[KMS_Tirpitz]

 

So tomorrow should have been patch day but due to technical issues the realese has been pushed back.

The Tirpitz was to be released at the same time but due to the pushed back patch its going to be reased tomorrow alone.

Be ready to empty your pockets and prepare for 5x Tirpitz vs 6xTirpitz

 

 

Ive heared this info on a german youtubers stream. This person is friends with EiKarrAmba german community contributor amongst other things

EiKarrAmba himself has multiple videos of him driving the Tirpitz.

so i really think this info is legit... otherwise i wouldnt post it

 

 

GN8 fellas and really REALLY sorry if this probes to be false ...

 

 

 

 

 

Why waste money on something that can't hit straight ingame?

[deathrow222]

 

So tomorrow should have been patch day but due to technical issues the realese has been pushed back.

The Tirpitz was to be released at the same time but due to the pushed back patch its going to be reased tomorrow alone.

Be ready to empty your pockets and prepare for 5x Tirpitz vs 6xTirpitz

 

 

Ive heared this info on a german youtubers stream. This person is friends with EiKarrAmba german community contributor amongst other things

EiKarrAmba himself has multiple videos of him driving the Tirpitz.

so i really think this info is legit... otherwise i wouldnt post it

 

 

GN8 fellas and really REALLY sorry if this probes to be false ...

 

 

 

 

 

i dont see the tirpitz in the shop

[Lance_Horne]

 

Thing is this would've happened to ANY battleship Lance, as the fire control system was/is the weak spot on any BB if damaged. But also here the Bismarck was infact better prepared for this than many others due having no less than three directors, 1) the main director [on top] 2) the fore director [front] and 3) the aft director [rear]. Standard procedure was to use the main director until something happened to it, then they would switch to the others. The disadvantage of the fore & aft directors was their limited viewing arc.

 

As for Bismarck in her final battle, what happened was that as her main director was hit and taken out, her fore director was then tasked with taking over, but just as the fore director obtained the range to Rodney it was also knocked out. This left the Bismarck without director fire control due to the aft director not being able to get Rodney within its viewing arc before the entire ship was ablaze. Again remember that the Bismarck was at this point being bombarded by 15+ main caliber guns in addition to the fire from several cruisers & destroyers, all of which were free to maneuver and go as fast as they wished. By comparison Bismarck was a sitting duck going 7 knots in a constant circle, making her an easy target even for a WW1 battleship.

 

In short the Bismarck was faced only with evasive fast moving targets whilst the British were faced with one easy slow moving one unable to maneuver. So that the Bismarck was the first to straddle is a rather striking testament to her superior fire control system.

 

The general consensus is that Bismark was the most accurate ship and I certainly wont argue against that and in her last battle there was only going to be one result, but it must still be dissapointing that she never hit one of the British ships.

 

 

[Thoddyx]

no hit but Rodney received splinter damage from the 20m near straddle this indicates that Bismarck was using HE shells at this time.

[KMS_Tirpitz]

 

The general consensus is that Bismark was the most accurate ship and I certainly wont argue against that and in her last battle there was only going to be one result, but it must still be dissapointing that she never hit one of the British ships.

 

 

 

Seriously, it was way more than what could be expected. Bismarck was a sitting duck, and the British weren't shabby gunners themselves, thus it was only ever going to end one way. It's completely incredible Bismarck even managed to hurt the opposition before she was set ablaze, I doubt any other ship could've managed that, it just goes to prove how state of the art her FCS really was.

[Lance_Horne]

 

Seriously, it was way more than what could be expected. Bismarck was a sitting duck, and the British weren't shabby gunners themselves, thus it was only ever going to end one way. It's completely incredible Bismarck even managed to hurt the opposition before she was set ablaze, I doubt any other ship could've managed that, it just goes to prove how state of the art her FCS really was.

 

You will defend Bismark to the end Tirpitz, and why not she was a great ship...........will you buy the Tirpitz?

[KMS_Tirpitz]

 

You will defend Bismark to the end Tirpitz, and why not she was a great ship...........will you buy the Tirpitz?

 

I am not defending it anymore than you are the Royal Navy Lance  No I don't think I will buy it Lance, not until they fix the dispersion issue, as I don't want to support such a gross misrepresentation. Esp. as I know that if I did buy it I would then mostly just be to looking at it in port as I wouldnt want to play with something that broken. I simply don't see any point in playing a ship with the worst K/D ratio ingame, there's no profit in that. Thus I see no reason to buy it.

 

 

 

[MA89]

Tirpitz has been released..... but it's a bundle and I don't have the money to buy it  lets hope it will be released into the game as a standalone ship and not a bundle but until then I will be going back to the NA server to play with my tier 3 shotgun BB.

[KMS_Tirpitz]

Her price tag is insane alright, esp. considering her ingame capabilities. But even for a Yamato 60 some euros is a crazy price IMHO. Not a particularly considerate of WG.

 

[Lance_Horne]

Her price tag is insane alright, esp. considering her ingame capabilities. But even for a Yamato 60 some euros is a crazy price IMHO. Not a particularly considerate of WG.

 

 

Folks will buy her because of the legend, I thought about it, but I already have the North Carolina which in game I believe is better, or at least Tirpirtz's equal and 60 euro's is expensive,  although I dont blame Wargaming for pricing her that way, because a lot of people are willing to pay the price, after all they are a business.

[Mancek50]

Bought it today, 1 battle.

 

for me its a very well rounded battleship, with reasonably accurate guns, ok maneuvarability, and the ability to act as the warspite does ( i.e. very good for sub 10km brawling).

 

below 15ks it seems to get a lot of citadel hits. above it has a bit of a wide spread for its main guns. the torps are very handy close in. its resilient and doesn't flambe like a warspite does when being hit by HE shells.