I think i'm getting the hang of CVs!

[simonmd]

Chuffed to bits after last game, had to share it with you, 

 

 

Was using 1x Torp and 2x dive bombers, my tactic was to drop one load of bombs on them to cause a fire, then send in 2nd bombers and the torpedos to hopefully cause fire and flooding after they had just used their repair ability, seemed to work reasonably well! I did get sunk in the end, a plucky little T3 St Louis of all things but I didnt even mind as he had the good grace to go on chat and say 'good game' just before they finally lost.

 

Credit to the other CV in this game, he got 2 sinkings himself and also shot down 20 planes which really helped me get through. It's the first game i've ever seen where the Carriers got more kills than the surface ships, I wonder if these new floating airstrip things will catch on? ;)

[simonmd]

Edit: I find it amusing that right after I post this thread, someone else starts another thread screaming about being blown up by a CVs planes after he sank them! Strange how the same circumstances can have two totaly different reactions!!

[ironhammer500]

Edit: I find it amusing that right after I post this thread, someone else starts another thread screaming about being blown up by a CVs planes after he sank them! Strange how the same circumstances can have two totaly different reactions!!

 

Because a CV requires no real skill or even form of tactics to play well, hell i can even do well in my langley and i suck with CVs.

[II_Nemesis_II]

 

Because a CV requires no real skill or even form of tactics to play well, hell i can even do well in my langley and i suck with CVs.

 

Exactly. That's why you have 1/7 of average dmg on Langley compared to mine. Cause you know, CVs require no skill.

[ironhammer500]

 

Exactly. That's why you have 1/7 of average dmg on Langley compared to mine. Cause you know, CVs require no skill.

 

Odd your stats for it don't add up, because its showing very little battles. I did play the langley in CBT but tbh look at the other CVs you have compare it to your other classes.

[II_Nemesis_II]

 

Odd your stats for it don't add up, because its showing very little battles. I did play the langley in CBT but tbh look at the other CVs you have compare it to your other classes.

 

As long as there will be lot of players (including you) with horrible CV stats, and those with excellent CV stats, it is more than enough to conclude your statement about CVs requiring no skill as completely false one. If CVs would not require skill, everyone would have more than average results with them, but you don't even have a mediocre results.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

 

Because a CV requires no real skill or even form of tactics to play well, hell i can even do well in my langley and i suck with CVs.

 

5 Games in the Langley

63.302 TOTAL  (!) damage done (30.777 of it in one battle) that's 12.666 per battle

2 (!) Ships sunk and 42 Planes shot down.. total... that's 0.40 Ships sunk and 8.4 planes shot down per battle

 

sounds not that impressive..

In fact, in my Clemson - T4 US DD - I do nearly double the damage and sunken ships... but I get beaten at shooting down planes...

In all three T4 Cruisers I've played, I did way more damage and sunk way more ships per battle than you did in the Langley

And the same holds true for the T4 Battleships I've played.

And with my Langley - well, I consider myself only a mediocre CV player, but compared to my results with it, Your's are... well... very bad.

 

So, if you consider THAT as "doing well"... well, it isn't.. compared to your stats with other classes. With most of those you're "doing well". Not great, but well...

 

So, before deciding how much "skill" it takes, to use a CV, you might want to do some more learning about how to use a CV. 'Cause your stats show, you do it wrong.

 

[ironhammer500]

 

As long as there will be lot of players (including you) with horrible CV stats, and those with excellent CV stats, it is more than enough to conclude your statement about CVs requiring no skill as completely false one. If CVs would not require skill, everyone would have more than average results with them, but you don't even have a mediocre results.

 

Or matchmaking is making higher tier CVs fight lowers, how many times has ur langley been against a tier 6? Hard to fight a carrier who has 3x more plane then you do..only 12 reserves in the langley Also  did you free exp ur upgrades?

[Ishiro32]

 

Or matchmaking is making higher tier CVs fight lowers, how many times has ur langley been against a tier 6? Hard to fight a carrier who has 3x more plane then you do..only 12 reserves in the langley Also  did you free exp ur upgrades?

 

30k max damage is just simply not good. You can get more damage from one 6/6 drop on BB and really any tier IV should have higher scores than 30k max damage.

[simonmd]

 

Because a CV requires no real skill or even form of tactics to play well, hell i can even do well in my langley and i suck with CVs.

 

So you say it requires no skill and yet YOU SUCK AT IT??? Wow, quite an admission!! 

 

Tell me Mr Knowitall, WHY if its so easy do the CVs not DOMINATE the game like they did in real life in the later part of WW2? Because they DO take skill, you have so juggle several things at once, even just on Tier 5 I have to watch my ship and three separate sdns of aircraft, constantly looking for targets and threats around them. Once a target has been found, the correct attack has to be worked out, will he turn? Is it better to wait until he's boxed in by an island? etc. Your statement makes you look like a fool, nicely done.

[MilkPowder]

Carrier gameplay is brainless. Once you know about the alt key its pretty easy

[ironhammer500]

 

30k max damage is just simply not good. You can get more damage from one 6/6 drop on BB and really any tier IV should have higher scores than 30k max damage.

 

Hmm i only hit 4 torps max they spread to much...they also only do about 5k to a BBs side torp belt...

[ironhammer500]

 

So you say it requires no skill and yet YOU SUCK AT IT??? Wow, quite an admission!! 

 

Tell me Mr Knowitall, WHY if its so easy do the CVs not DOMINATE the game like they did in real life in the later part of WW2? Because they DO take skill, you have so juggle several things at once, even just on Tier 5 I have to watch my ship and three separate sdns of aircraft, constantly looking for targets and threats around them. Once a target has been found, the correct attack has to be worked out, will he turn? Is it better to wait until he's boxed in by an island? etc. Your statement makes you look like a fool, nicely done.

 

But it doesnt...you do not need to know where to aim, or how to angle armour only send plane drop torps...done.

 

Edit: I always get tunnel vision teams to, who always leave the carriers and let a DD come kill me...

[Deckeru_Maiku]

 

But it doesnt...you do not need to know where to aim, or how to angle armour only send plane drop torps...done.

 

 

That's not true... you need to know when or when not to use auto- oder manual drop... and you need to know not to torp a ship from bow or stern, unless you want to "hammer and anvil" a DD... you also got to know the abilities of your planes and the enemy's AA else you lose them... and the abilities of eventual enemy CVs and their abilities...

especially when playing against a team with a fighter loadout CV the game often evolves into an interesting dance of all those planes, with bombers trying to slip through to still cause some damage...

 

As a BB you only have to drive in a straight line for 90% of the game and shoot... (atleast, that's how 90% of the BB players seem to play...) - now that's no skill needed in my book.

[Kenliero]

I'm playing IJN BB line and both carrier lines and in my opinion carrier play requires much more skill than BB. Doing multitasking effectively is nit easy. Everyone can play average carrier play, but not great games. The higher tier you go, the more fleets you have to control at the same time. Distractiontactics and ALSO dodging torps, spotting destroyers etc... BB is soooo easy class... carrier is NOT arty

[ironhammer500]

 

That's not true... you need to know when or when not to use auto- oder manual drop... and you need to know not to torp a ship from bow or stern, unless you want to "hammer and anvil" a DD... you also got to know the abilities of your planes and the enemy's AA else you lose them... and the abilities of eventual enemy CVs and their abilities...

especially when playing against a team with a fighter loadout CV the game often evolves into an interesting dance of all those planes, with bombers trying to slip through to still cause some damage...

 

As a BB you only have to drive in a straight line for 90% of the game and shoot... (atleast, that's how 90% of the BB players seem to play...) - now that's no skill needed in my book.

 

Lol got to love how you say you only need to go straight in a BB, much more to it then that you need to know where DDs will go, their torp ranges, their torp amounts, when brawling with cruisers you need to know which ones have torps which ones will deal tons of fire damage cleveland is a prime one...then on to BBs you need to know their ranges how fast they are which is important because IJN ships have all sorts of speeds...how big the guns are that are going to hit you and most importantly...you need to know effective angling and positioning, dodge torps effectively...all while aiming at key targets.. much more then simply sail straight....like most CV players do or hide behind an island which every one hides behind.

 

Also if you good at RTS game or play them, CV play is simply enough to pick up, i just feel IJN CVs are much better tier 4-5

[Aerroon]

Also if you good at RTS game or play them, CV play is simply enough to pick up, i just feel IJN CVs are much better tier 4-5

Okay this "RTS play" stuff is getting a bit ridiculous. Let me ask you this: if you're decent at RTS games does that also make you decent at Dota or LoL? No, no it doesn't, so why the hell would it make you decent with CVs?

 

Just because it has a familiar control scheme doesn't mean it plays in any way like that. How often do you have to do setups like torpedo bomber drops in RTS games? What about units even having momentum? There's almost no momentum on units in starcraft 2, everything literally turns on the spot. What about manually being able to dodge shots by using WASD? How often do you see that in your RTS games?

 

Seriously, one aspect of the control scheme being similar doesn't really mean anything.

[Ishiro32]

 

Hmm i only hit 4 torps max they spread to much...they also only do about 5k to a BBs side torp belt...

 

waaaait, they spread out?

ALT key. Use it while having selected bomber wing. Tight spread which does not spread in water.

[ironhammer500]

 

waaaait, they spread out?

ALT key. Use it while having selected bomber wing. Tight spread which does not spread in water.

 

They still spread when under AA fire. Also there are smart BB players who Dodge torps.. i know its a miracle...

[Vulgarny]

Why aa fire or bbs that dodge should matter if there is no skill involved?

[Pawndemonium]

Google Pi, and pick something else when the spread sucks.

SKILL

[DtXpwnz]

 

Or matchmaking is making higher tier CVs fight lowers, how many times has ur langley been against a tier 6? Hard to fight a carrier who has 3x more plane then you do..only 12 reserves in the langley Also  did you free exp ur upgrades?

 

you do ok-ish in every ship you play, but you do terrabad in Langley.. what does it say about carriers? Are they harder to play and require more skill? looks like it...

 

And langley vs tier 6 carrier is [edited], show me a screenshot / replay.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

And langley vs tier 6 carrier is [edited], show me a screenshot / replay.

 

That can happen with the current number of players in the MM.

Usually those +3 tier battles are the ones putting 2 CVs on each side, with one high tier and a low tier as addition. It gets awful, when there's also +3 Tier Cruisers and BBs in the enemy team... the things they do to your planes... and the ranges they have to do those dirty things...

[ironhammer500]

 

That can happen with the current number of players in the MM.

Usually those +3 tier battles are the ones putting 2 CVs on each side, with one high tier and a low tier as addition. It gets awful, when there's also +3 Tier Cruisers and BBs in the enemy team... the things they do to your planes... and the ranges they have to do those dirty things...

 

Forever against tier 5 CVs in my langley should of gone IJN..

[DtXpwnz]

That (T4 CV vs T6 CV) shouldn't happen unless that Langley is failplatooning.

 

From my total battlecount, I've played lot of battles on these lower tiers (many ships, many classes) and I have never seen solo (no platoon) T4 carrier matched against T6 carrier (Independence / Ryujo). These low tier carrier have more strict rules as far as I know.