2 carriers vs 1, RIDICULOUS

[Hans_the_Hawk]

Just was in a game with my Independence, I have 2 fighter squadrons and 1 bomber, (best set up for air defence)

So I get in game vs 2 Ryujo both with 5 squadrons of bombers (6 torps and 4 dive).

 

I get attacked by all at the start and even though I intercept both groups its all over in seconds.

 

WG sort this out, its F******G stupid.

 

No exp for me even if team wins.

 

[Seinta]

4.1 will fix this, until then play smart.

You got Clevelands and at that tier and you are fast enough to stay around them.

[viceadmiral123]

 play smart.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Major__Klutz]

Aaaah....who would have guessed that this could happen in a Beta test....

 

Never mind, you never ever saw this in the bottom right corner and have no clue at all what it means:

[warspite666]

I hope this issue is being addresed, nothing is more frustrating than seeing unbalanced carrier deployment on the match maker, I understand the MM has a limited resource pool to draw on but it should only deploy carriers on a parity basis, ie 0-0, 1-1, 2-2 etc.

[Barlion1]

Love when I see two enemy carriers against one on my team. I just sit next to my carrier in my Cleveland and watch the plane kills go off the charts. Please give me more of this.

[T3ddyBear]

Well I just started out on CV's and I must admit I'm not impressed so far.

 

3 games, every game I didn't last longer than 5 minutes, why? Simply because the other team had 2 CV's to me, ALL 3 times, 2 of the matches the CV's were higher tier than me.

 

Is this the experience WG wants to bring, FIX THE MM WG!!!

 

How difficult can it be to simply say EVEN numbers of CV's per team, if there is an odd number then make them WAIT.

 

I was annoyed at the imbalance before I started on the CV line but now, it's just torped to death and with 1 fighter squadron I cannot hold back 2 CV's worth of bombers and torp planes.

 

Great job WG.

 

Harrier.

[Hauptbahnhof]

 

Just was in a game with my Minekaze,

So I get in game vs 4 Clevelands

I get attacked by all at the start and they sunk me

 

WG sort this out, its F******G stupid.

 

No exp for me even if team wins.

 

 

 

 

See what I did there? It's intentional that sometimes you get match ups that are harder and some others that are easier.

 

It's part of what keeps the game unpredictable, fun and what gives you a challenge ( or you can go an whine on the forums and demand you should only be given easy matchups and that the MM is broken ).

 

[simonmd]

More planes to shoot down and 2 easy CVs to sink, works for me.

[Tugnut]

had two games on the trott on hotspots like this first game i die within 5 mins (my team sucked so hard i still came 3ed in the xp table due to assining planes a mission before death)  2nd game the 2 enemy cv left me alone.... but i went after both killing both :p we win the game.

[T3ddyBear]

Just was in a game with my Minekaze,

So I get in game vs 4 Clevelands

I get attacked by all at the start and they sunk me

 

WG sort this out, its F******G stupid.

 

No exp for me even if team wins.

 

 

 

 

See what I did there? It's intentional that sometimes you get match ups that are harder and some others that are easier.

 

It's part of what keeps the game unpredictable, fun and what gives you a challenge ( or you can go an whine on the forums and demand you should only be given easy matchups and that the MM is broken ).i

 

 

 Seriously, that's what you have to add to the discussion, like I said the "apologists" flock in droves.

 

I have no issue with a challenge, what I dislike is getting attacked by 6 squadrons with only 1 fighter squadron to defend with.

 

Why do people come on here and say "everything is fine" when many, many people are saying the same things, things aren't fine, it's beta and things will be changed, I'm hoping this is one of them.

 

Harrier.

[Hauptbahnhof]

 

 Seriously, that's what you have to add to the discussion, like I said the "apologists" flock in droves.

 

I have no issue with a challenge, what I dislike is getting attacked by 6 squadrons with only 1 fighter squadron to defend with.

 

Why do people come on here and say "everything is fine" when many, many people are saying the same things, things aren't fine, it's beta and things will be changed, I'm hoping this is one of them.

 

 

There is no discussion here only whining....

 

 

It's not possible to divide 3 CVs so that 1.5 of them end up on each team no matter how hard you try, and on tier 6 there are in most games plenty of ships with 30 or more AA rating and that can launch fighter planes.

 

What this means is that if you work as a team your team can slaughter an incoming airstrike and shoot down every airplane before they launch a single torpedo. Even more so if the team have a US Carrier with 2 fighter squads.

 

 

But I hope you will be happy with wargamings solution, what they will do is force every deck to have fighters such that you now will have 1 fighters squad to defend with and it will be jumped by 2 enemy CV fighter squads pinning it down instead when there is 2vs1 CV situation.

 

 

 

I survived plenty of 2vs1 CV games when both their CVs try to nuke me, and that in a IJN CV that has worse AA, one fighter squad instead of 2 and that is a bigger longer target then the US CVs as well. It's not impossible to do if you play your cards right and have semi-decent team mates or even just a Cleveland fairly nearby that you can follow and hug.

[ironhammer500]

 

There is no discussion here only whining....

 

 

It's not possible to divide 3 CVs so that 1.5 of them end up on each team no matter how hard you try, and on tier 6 there are in most games plenty of ships with 30 or more AA rating and that can launch fighter planes.

 

What this means is that if you work as a team your team can slaughter an incoming airstrike and shoot down every airplane before they launch a single torpedo. Even more so if the team have a US Carrier with 2 fighter squads.

 

 

But I hope you will be happy with wargamings solution, what they will do is force every deck to have fighters such that you now will have 1 fighters squad to defend with and it will be jumped by 2 enemy CV fighter squads pinning it down instead when there is 2vs1 CV situation.

 

 

 

I survived plenty of 2vs1 CV games when both their CVs try to nuke me, and that in a IJN CV that has worse AA, one fighter squad instead of 2 and that is a bigger longer target then the US CVs as well. It's not impossible to do if you play your cards right and have semi-decent team mates or even just a Cleveland fairly nearby that you can follow and hug.

 

Or 1 CV can wait till another one pops up in que till there is 1 v 1 Cv games or  2 v 2 games, not 1 v 2..

[Philipp_ab_exterminatore]

i have been the lone CV vs 2 and survived and won as top XP on team plenty of times. Play smart and bait the enemy fighters to a side while your main attack force goes the other ;)

[Deckeru_Maiku]

i have been the lone CV vs 2 and survived and won as top XP on team plenty of times. Play smart and bait the enemy fighters to a side while your main attack force goes the other ;)

 

And never ever try to "hide" behind an island in the back... Go with the fleet!

[simonmd]

 

There is no discussion here only whining....

 

 

It's not possible to divide 3 CVs so that 1.5 of them end up on each team no matter how hard you try, and on tier 6 there are in most games plenty of ships with 30 or more AA rating and that can launch fighter planes.

Great quote!

 

Sometimes the MM can certainly be totaly stupid, only the other day I was one of 5 T3 ships against a team that only had 3 T3s and the rest matched our higher ranks. However, time and time again the most POWERFUL weapons are not BBs, are not torpedoes and are not CVs, the most powerful weapon that is undeniably 'OP' is a TEAM working together. A team that leaves its CVs to fend for itself will suffer once they have no air coverage, just as a CV that prioritizes the biggest threat, NOT the easiest target is the most useful. 

 

What happened to that unbalance match I mentioned? We pulled together and kicked their [edited]!!

[Dominico]

In my experience this situation you will winin the team with 1 carrier. As c player bide your time. Support your team and take opportunity hits on enemies when the other players are occupied. 

 

Look at it this way. They are 1 warship down. Also it's a challenge which is fun. I prefer being the underdog to the team with 2 carriers. 

[Klanghin]

 

There is no discussion here only whining....

 

 

It's not possible to divide 3 CVs so that 1.5 of them end up on each team no matter how hard you try, and on tier 6 there are in most games plenty of ships with 30 or more AA rating and that can launch fighter planes.

 

What this means is that if you work as a team your team can slaughter an incoming airstrike and shoot down every airplane before they launch a single torpedo. Even more so if the team have a US Carrier with 2 fighter squads.

 

 

But I hope you will be happy with wargamings solution, what they will do is force every deck to have fighters such that you now will have 1 fighters squad to defend with and it will be jumped by 2 enemy CV fighter squads pinning it down instead when there is 2vs1 CV situation.

 

 

 

I survived plenty of 2vs1 CV games when both their CVs try to nuke me, and that in a IJN CV that has worse AA, one fighter squad instead of 2 and that is a bigger longer target then the US CVs as well. It's not impossible to do if you play your cards right and have semi-decent team mates or even just a Cleveland fairly nearby that you can follow and hug.

 

If 2 IJN CV go after you, both with strike setup and you even having 2 fighter squads, there is nothing you can do but pray. If you are lucky you may get AA support, but let's face it, meeting someone who is up to some teamwork is very rare.

[Valkyrie_7]

Just was in a game with my Independence, I have 2 fighter squadrons and 1 bomber, (best set up for air defence)

So I get in game vs 2 Ryujo both with 5 squadrons of bombers (6 torps and 4 dive).

 

While I admit this is not foolproof, even far from it, if you ever get yourself in that situation (and it's important to spot it before the battle starts), then you are possibly in a very nice spot. Especially here, with fighter setup. Enemies will hardly have fighters. You just immediately ask someone to give you AA cover. I rarely got no response when I did. Someone always offered to stay with me. Then you scout for enemy planes. Quite possibly going in bulk near some border to avoid detection. Then you intercept them and count the kills. Focus torp bombers, dive ones do minimal damage in comparison. Especially when they go near - attack two different squadrons for the accuracy decrease effect (does it even work on IJN planes?). Either way multiple torp squads of 1-2 planes are less likely to hit you than full spreads of 4. Also stay in motion when enemy planes are approaching. Being a sitting duck is bad for business.

 

Still, the key is to locate enemy planes before they locate you. If you don't see anything in the middle of the map, then they are going around the whole thing to attack from behind. It takes time and you know it's coming. Send scouts to find them and then murder them. Especially with fighter setup.

[Darky_007]

Just was in a game with my Independence, I have 2 fighter squadrons and 1 bomber, (best set up for air defence)

So I get in game vs 2 Ryujo both with 5 squadrons of bombers (6 torps and 4 dive).

I get attacked by all at the start and even though I intercept both groups its all over in seconds.

WG sort this out, its F******G stupid.

No exp for me even if team wins.

 

 

when you have 1 vs 2 CV, then ask team for help

Cleveland and Pensacola captains will always happy for turkey shot 

[Bergwolf]

Great quote!

 

Sometimes the MM can certainly be totaly stupid, only the other day I was one of 5 T3 ships against a team that only had 3 T3s and the rest matched our higher ranks. However, time and time again the most POWERFUL weapons are not BBs, are not torpedoes and are not CVs, the most powerful weapon that is undeniably 'OP' is a TEAM working together. A team that leaves its CVs to fend for itself will suffer once they have no air coverage, just as a CV that prioritizes the biggest threat, NOT the easiest target is the most useful. 

 

What happened to that unbalance match I mentioned? We pulled together and kicked their [edited]!!

 

Implying that it is only ever "1" of 2 teams playing together.

[Sir_Armand]

I agree that CV¨'s hould be balanced in number. Or at least if there is 1 CV vs.2, that the lone CV is a tier higher.

[jedispam]

Its not always this clear cut though, i see a lot 2 lower tier carriers vs 1 higher. And about teamwork, in multiple games now have i have seen our carrier get nuked and not once did they ask for help until after when the bitching started. A few of these have been where the team moved in 1 direction and the carrier didnt even move from their spawn position. Basically me and im sure other players would be more than willing to help with some AA if anyone bothered to ask for it.

[Sir_Armand]

I would love to see some more communication about where ships are headed. Just knowing that a CV intends to support those two BB's moving west would decide a lot for me if I'm in a cruiser.

Now, that would require that the BB's stated their intention to move west, so the CV would know that it has a close support option there, and that all these players communicatedtheir intentions in chat and actually READ the chat.

 

I have seen it in a few games, but not many.

[Hannibalurg]

As a Hakuryu owner i often meet 2 v 1 CV, hardly ever a problem.

Only thing you need to do is to follow the fleet and ask for CA protection and just nuke on of the other CV's.