Any news on when the skillships will be nerfed? (CVs)

[viceadmiral123]

This is worth a watch. 

 

The guy is anot epic [edited] and you need to turn down his voice but it is eye opening.

 

He isn't really that good. Lots of his drops are shocking and his ship positioning is terribad.  But still gets this result.

This is accidentally a player that has made lots of tutorials, mostly about CVs, and has great stats.

 

 

If you watch top player streams, you see CVs on top, universally. Reason is quite simple: to compensate for buffed AA, they get a swarm of plane squads and huge reserves that make it sensible to just leave aircraft above enemy after drop is executed for faster reload.

 

I.e. powerful AA actually works against you in many cases. It simply makes CV get his next attack going faster. I've seen mind games where folks would turn off their AA in premades after bombs are dropped to counter this.

 

This is a bread and butter tactic. I leave 1 plane standing when I attack enemy squads with my fighters. I hover over enemy ships when I only have 1 plane left in a squad and a long trip back.

How exactly is strong AA against you? Can't you click the planes you want to kill and turn it off afterwards? Do you just want to look through binocular and click-click-click while enemy CV is trying to position aircraft to attack you, but they just drop before they reach?

 

Have you tried playing t9 CV against t9-t10 cruisers and BBs? Do you know if enemy has 3 ships together, your planes can't reach alive in a straight line, let alone reposition for their evasive maneuvers? Not considering AA skill of cruisers or enemy fighters, just passive AA.

[Dominico]

Ugh. .. stats nerds.. my favourite basement dweller.

 

You check his other vids out you will see he cheats. He advocates off map play. And says since the developers haven't fixed it then they mean you to abuse off map mechanics. So although you may be excited by numbers and not reality I'm not. His play in this match is nothing special and as I was saying demonstrate how easy it is. Also his other videos demonstrate how his mind works (and many others sadly) when it comes to blatant cheating in a game for fun with other players. Namely that it's fine to cheat to win and ruin a pass time for others.  But I'm glad you are impressed by him.

[viceadmiral123]

Ugh. .. stats nerds.. my favourite basement dweller.

 

You check his other vids out you will see he cheats. He advocates off map play. And says since the developers haven't fixed it then they mean you to abuse off map mechanics. So although you may be excited by numbers and not reality I'm not. His play in this match is nothing special and as I was saying demonstrate how easy it is. Also his other videos demonstrate how his mind works (and many others sadly) when it comes to blatant cheating in a game for fun with other players. Namely that it's fine to cheat to win and ruin a pass time for others.  But I'm glad you are impressed by him.

I didn't say anything about the game exploits.

And your point about the balance of game is?

[DtXpwnz]

Ugh. .. stats nerds.. my favourite basement dweller.

 

You check his other vids out you will see he cheats. He advocates off map play. And says since the developers haven't fixed it then they mean you to abuse off map mechanics. So although you may be excited by numbers and not reality I'm not. His play in this match is nothing special and as I was saying demonstrate how easy it is. Also his other videos demonstrate how his mind works (and many others sadly) when it comes to blatant cheating in a game for fun with other players. Namely that it's fine to cheat to win and ruin a pass time for others.  But I'm glad you are impressed by him.

Gz, you just graduated to a position of troll not worth listening to.

[mtm78]

Ugh. .. stats nerds.. my favourite basement dweller.

 

You check his other vids out you will see he cheats. He advocates off map play. And says since the developers haven't fixed it then they mean you to abuse off map mechanics. So although you may be excited by numbers and not reality I'm not. His play in this match is nothing special and as I was saying demonstrate how easy it is. Also his other videos demonstrate how his mind works (and many others sadly) when it comes to blatant cheating in a game for fun with other players. Namely that it's fine to cheat to win and ruin a pass time for others.  But I'm glad you are impressed by him.

 

Accusing people of cheating who are using an ingame mechanic is slander. I would suggest you go read the forum rules a bit before continuing on this line of thought. 

[twdarkeh]

I don't think abusing a bug(at least, I hope it's a bug) to avoid spotting and AA fire is "slander". Sure, it's in the game, but that doesn't make exploiting it right or fair. Cheating? Maybe not, but certainly close.

[Kenliero]

Good CV player sets extra waypoint AFTER attack, to not reveal your carrier position... I do this s lot. Also I dont attack STRAIGHT. I send distraction planes with multiplewsypoints, whime doing main attack from completely different angle. All these little tricks you learn by playing CV. Something MOST average BB players know nothing about and are simply OUTSMARTED by CV player... thus the op whines...

[Sharana]

Good CV player sets extra waypoint AFTER attack, to not reveal your carrier position... I do this s lot. Also I dont attack STRAIGHT. I send distraction planes with multiplewsypoints, whime doing main attack from completely different angle. All these little tricks you learn by playing CV. Something MOST average BB players know nothing about and are simply OUTSMARTED by CV player... thus the op whines...

 

You lose so much dps and it's not worth it in 99% of the cases. So please don't sell it as "the good CVs do it"

[ironhammer500]

You can tell who was an Arty play in WoT they always slag off the next highest class in the game, imo Cruisers are the idiots..they dont even bother to dodge torps.

[Seinta]

Good CV player sets extra waypoint AFTER attack, to not reveal your carrier position... I do this s lot. Also I dont attack STRAIGHT. I send distraction planes with multiplewsypoints, whime doing main attack from completely different angle. All these little tricks you learn by playing CV. Something MOST average BB players know nothing about and are simply OUTSMARTED by CV player... thus the op whines...

 

As Sharana said, you are losing dps, because CVs can be only in 1 of 4 places:

1 - tailing the main force

2 - left corner

3 - right corner

4 - spawn

[Luckyio]

Clubbing adventures of "Zuiho in bikini" (fighters and TBs upgraded, no other upgrades yet) continue as she gets more and more clothes on. This time, I got a complete nightmare of a game, independence and zuiho on other team, and my team has a bogue with no fighter setup. [edited]me. No chance for drops ever without losing bombers to fighters, enemy fighters everywhere on the map. Surely I can't score well?

Well, Bogue did. I basically went for non-egoistic approach and kept saving his flights by harassing enemy and attacking enemy carriers forcing them to use their fighters to dance with me. He still didn't engage any of the enemy carriers in spite of my pleas and spent most of the game clubbing random targets in the midfield. Scored well though, with no real fighter harass on his side of the map. After my first foray into Independence, they devoted all their fighters to eliminating remains of my bombers. I ended up winning the game for us though, as we won by cap and I managed to keep skies clean above our single capping cruiser for almost a minute in spite of enemy trying to push their full bomber forces in while their fighters were still hunting the tattered remains of my bombers. Paid for it in fighters though.

Didn't help that I did panic twice when I saw the enemy fighter wing show up from wrong direction and just make a bad drop. Meh. That was just pure terrible play on my part.

 

So that's three days in a row. Only one game that wasn't full on seal clubbing, and that was because carriers I met outnumbered total amount of fighters on our team massively and I ate the brunt of it. Very much suboptimal and in some cases straight up bad play from me as well. Seals on the surface still felt it through, I did about as much damage as a decent game on another class in spite of being supposedly hard countered AND focused for the entire duration of the game AND sucking.

I wish I had anywhere near these numbers when I get this hard countered and play this badly on other classes.

 

Really not OP. At all . At this point, I have only one question left:

Just how much do I need to suck to fail carrier play and get a bad score?

 

 

Notably, that game had several Clevelands. One was torpedoed to death by both of us, and other was harassed by us both, forcing him to run into the bulk of our forces. Splat. So much for "overpowered Cleveland AA". Yeah, dive bombers don't do much, but torpedo bombers work wonders. Especially if he's near other ships, so you get two for the price of one with the spread he gives you.

[Luckyio]

 

As Sharana said, you are losing dps, because CVs can be only in 1 of 4 places:

1 - tailing the main force

2 - left corner

3 - right corner

4 - spawn

 

Really? I didn't know that, but thanks for sharing. Somehow I seem to spend most of my CV games early phase in cover behind islands that are in none of places you mentioned and then begin shifting positions between various islands on the map as game progresses to cut down plane travel time and avoid getting zeroed in. I tend to do really well.

 

What am I doing wrong?

[Luckyio]

 

You lose so much dps and it's not worth it in 99% of the cases. So please don't sell it as "the good CVs do it"

 

And this is why point out that sharana is really not a "good CV player" nor a good source for balance discussions on CVs when he comes to defend CVs and pops these "words of wisdom" doing it. This advice is directly comparable to "fire your BB main battery as fast as you can off every cooldown because you lose DPS and it's not worth waiting for a good shot 99% of the time". It's advice that would make sense to someone who understands basics and nothing but the basics and is a TERRIBLE advice for any kind of advanced level of play.

 

If you're playing against pure seals, or in a premade that will hold your hand? Sure, doesn't matter. Meet a competent player and fly your planes in a straight line? He will be able to erase your mother ship after 2 minutes because you gave him a free zero in after first drop.

 

As the old WoW saying went, "when maximizing DPS, keep in mind that dead people do zero DPS". The fact that current CV player base is so used to playing with feeling of such impunity that they do not worry about this scenario tells you just how overpowered the class is.

[Azrael_Ashemdion]

Cause right now they ruin the game for me, I do everything I can to dodge them and do everything I learned from pro youtubers. But yeah, theyre literally undodgeable.

Theyre like the noobtube of CoD, they have to be in game to give special people a place in the community, but to make Cvs THAT powerfull cmon? (talking about BB dodging btw)

 

Wow, it's like all the dipshits who whine about arty in WoT decided to ...oh wait, it's because they are just whiners. 

 

  Az

[Vanhal]

You lose so much dps and it's not worth it in 99% of the cases. So please don't sell it as "the good CVs do it"

 

Funny, BB (especially those with poor maneuverability and even worse turret traverse) also lose tons of dps (like 2-5 salvoes, depending on exact situation), when they start to react when TB are 8 km and closing. Even when they ultimately attack someone else. Yet you still tell them to do that as universal panaceum for TB attacks and it's suddenly ok (leaving aside success probability of such maneuvers, as it not the point here)?

 

But, by all means, i also like when people makes themselves easy targets by sailing in long straight lines, my 356mm guns and even bigger torps tremble with joy.

And what i like the most is when carrier makes straight attacks, especially on lower tiers (when CV's have very good detection values). He basically shouts "I AM HERE!!!". So much less trouble to find and do the disinfestation, especially in cruiser.

[mtm78]

 

And this is why point out that sharana is really not a "good CV player" nor a good source for balance discussions on CVs when he comes to defend CVs and pops these "words of wisdom" doing it. This advice is directly comparable to "fire your BB main battery as fast as you can off every cooldown because you lose DPS and it's not worth waiting for a good shot 99% of the time". It's advice that would make sense to someone who understands basics and nothing but the basics and is a TERRIBLE advice for any kind of advanced level of play.

 

If you're playing against pure seals, or in a premade that will hold your hand? Sure, doesn't matter. Meet a competent player and fly your planes in a straight line? He will be able to erase your mother ship after 2 minutes because you gave him a free zero in after first drop.

 

As the old WoW saying went, "when maximizing DPS, keep in mind that dead people do zero DPS". The fact that current CV player base is so used to playing with feeling of such impunity that they do not worry about this scenario tells you just how overpowered the class is.

 

Find me 5 players who have better damage/win rate then Sharana.

[Luckyio]

 

Find me 5 players who have better damage/win rate then Sharana.

 

Two words:

Premades. Carriers.

 

I enjoy it when people make my points for me. If someone who gives advice that bad gets score that good and then routinely defends one class that most people in the game know to be overpowered, you know where to look for balance problems. Former at least have been slightly nerfed. Did you know that they limit premade carrier number to one?

I wonder why?

[mtm78]

 

Two words:

Premades. Carriers.

 

I enjoy it when people make my points for me. If someone who gives advice that bad gets score that good and then routinely defends one class that most people in the game know to be overpowered, you know where to look for balance problems. Former at least have been slightly nerfed. Did you know that they limit premade carrier number to one?

I wonder why?

 

No that's what I meant, find me 5 carrier players who do better on average.

 

You claim sharana doesn't understand basic carrier gameplay, and therefore can not be relied upon when giving his opinion on things related. You should easily find me even 10 better carrier players then. 

[Luckyio]

 

No that's what I meant, find me 5 carrier players who do better on average.

 

You claim sharana doesn't understand basic carrier gameplay, and therefore can not be relied upon when giving his opinion on things related. You should easily find me even 10 better carrier players then. 

 

You appear to have missed the first word. It's not difficult to do huge amounts of damage on a carrier. It's even easier when you have a bunch of people that can hold you hand while you do it.

[Ishiro32]

 

Ok, i can't really take it with straight face.

Poor infamous newbie sealclubber carrier player sharana, map glitcher and reason why CVs are overperforming, as he was drinking with devs on siberia whole vacation. 

 

Luckyio, I think I might become one of your fans. I am waiting for tomorrow. 

 

Oh... and as for playing in division which protects you to get the damage done. I am playing solo 95% of the time and I do agree with Sharana that this trick while intresting, most of the time is a simple waste of time. There is some use to it, but it's purely situational. 

 

[DtXpwnz]

You can tell who was an Arty play in WoT they always slag off the next highest class in the game, imo Cruisers are the idiots..they dont even bother to dodge torps.

 

Im playing mostly carriers. Was I arty player according to your logic?

[mtm78]

 

You appear to have missed the first word. It's not difficult to do huge amounts of damage on a carrier. It's even easier when you have a bunch of people that can hold you hand while you do it.

 

Really....

 

Luckyio, on 09 August 2015 - 09:35 PM, said:

 

And this is why point out that sharana is really not a "good CV player" nor a good source for balance discussions on CVs when he comes to defend CVs and pops these "words of wisdom" doing it.

 

Find me those 10 better carrier players please. If you can't, would you please stop posting?

[Luckyio]

 

Really....

 

 

Find me those 10 better carrier players please. If you can't, would you please stop posting?

 

May I once again point you at the first word? You seem to keep ignoring it. It may come an utter shock to you, but a game with player base this small and this few players opting for the "seal clubbing class" because of just how boring it is to play, it's not awfully hard to get "good stats" on a CV. It's trivial. It's even more trivial if, you know, first word.

 

Now add the size of playerbase which is utterly tiny on top as you can see from player numbers shown in videos of people playing top tiers, and you get the inevitable and very obvious conclusion of value of those stats.

[mtm78]

 

May I once again point you at the first word? You seem to keep ignoring it. It may come an utter shock to you, but a game with player base this small and this few players opting for the "seal clubbing class" because of just how boring it is to play, it's not awfully hard to get "good stats" on a CV. It's trivial. It's even more trivial if, you know, first word.

 

Now add the size of playerbase which is utterly tiny on top as you can see from player numbers shown in videos of people playing top tiers, and you get the inevitable and very obvious conclusion of value of those stats.

 

Blahblah blah blah blah?

 

You said:

 

 And this is why point out that sharana is really not a "good CV player" nor a good source for balance discussions on CVs when he comes to defend CVs and pops these "words of wisdom" doing it.

 

So find me 10 players doing better or step away from the computer and take a break.

[DtXpwnz]

 

May I once again point you at the first word? You seem to keep ignoring it. It may come an utter shock to you, but a game with player base this small and this few players opting for the "seal clubbing class" because of just how boring it is to play, it's not awfully hard to get "good stats" on a CV. It's trivial. It's even more trivial if, you know, first word.

 

And that is a reason why you have 1/2 - 2/3 of good CV player's stats (you played only 2 carriers, that difference would be surely bigger if you actually got to carriers that are more challenging to play). Because it is so "trivial". So you are pretty much saying that you play like crap and know nothing about this game?