Any news on when the skillships will be nerfed? (CVs)

[Spellfire40]

IMHO Pape's division is the worse example you can give since most of the players tat division with him are just leeching from his talent.

 

Well he wouldt have leveled as fast without his Pet CA providing cover till the enemy CV is killed. He is good no doubt but in the one case i Meet him it was kind of it's was kind of going overboard with boarderkiting and CA cover so he dont got his paint scratched, -))

 

Cya

Spellfire40 

[Iron_Gekko]

CV's are getting nerfed at mid tiers, we all know this and we all agree this, this primary focuses on removing the much hated 3rd TB from the Jap strike line that obviously makes them god like.

 

Why on earth do you guys keep on going with you're scream posts when this is going to be fixed already?

 

The only part that isn't going to change is T9-T10 and I am sorry, but if you die consistently against carriers at this level, then you properly deserve it. Why? Because CV's at level T9-T10 normally have the same strike power as CV's on T6. Meaning that you got the short stick of evolution, stats for the high level's are pointless because not enough people are at that level for it to hold any scientific ground.

 

When the new patch comes out (very soon) all you're referrals to these sheets that seem to form the only base of most of you're arguments will be worthless as they will be pointing to older/outdated game-play mechanics.

[mtm78]

 

My choice not to expose people who aren't debating in this thread is decensy, not a flaw, or wait maybe decensy is considered a flaw where you are from.

You are a sealclubber, your stat indicate so. But then again feel free to try and convince others of anything else.

Third point is just nonsense.

 

If only you had as many matches as you got posts would show you could back up what you say, but then again we now from your posts/ matches where you prefer to fight your "battles"

 

Have a great weekend

 

 

Just for persistency off course. 

[Krogort]

The only part that isn't going to change is T9-T10 and I am sorry, but if you die consistently against carriers at this level, then you properly deserve it. Why? Because CV's at level T9-T10 normally have the same strike power as CV's on T6. Meaning that you got the short stick of evolution, stats for the high level's are pointless because not enough people are at that level for it to hold any scientific ground.

US Carrier effectively double their firepower at T9-10.

Midway crisscross attack is very lethal with those tight spread.

[DtXpwnz]

In the end, I don't even know why we have this discussion, we all agree that strike decks from T5-T8 have to go and they are going away in 4.1. What I don't like is the fact that they are making multiple changes at the same time. Instead of doing one change, evaluating results and doing another change. This is how they were changing CVs in CBT and it worked well, why now all of sudden they have to completely change fighters, loadouts, servicing times, torpedo arm distance and so on? And what happened to their famous national differences, USN CVs being air-dominance oriented CVs? That suddenly completely changed? CV captains were asking them to get reasonable fighters to IJN CVs... no no no, we have national differences. And now IJN CVs got fighter decks? wtf?

 

 

 

[Kenliero]

In the end, I don't even know why we have this discussion, we all agree that strike decks from T5-T8 have to go and they are going away in 4.1. What I don't like is the fact that they are making multiple changes at the same time. Instead of doing one change, evaluating results and doing another change. This is how they were changing CVs in CBT and it worked well, why now all of sudden they have to completely change fighters, loadouts, servicing times, torpedo arm distance and so on? And what happened to their famous national differences, USN CVs being air-dominance oriented CVs? That suddenly completely changed? CV captains were asking them to get reasonable fighters to IJN CVs... no no no, we have national differences. And now IJN CVs got fighter decks? wtf?

 

 

 

 

I agree. This is totally going to mess up the IJN CV's instead of bringing balance. I agree that removing strike decks is good idea, but nerfing them in all other ways as well is just stupid. They will be completely useless. Everyone is going to absolutely hate playing tier 7 carrier, because it is quite challenging even now, WITH strike setups. Not because they have fighter, but because they are never going to hit anything, ever... spread is already bad and they make it even worse. USN CV's are a way to go, since you can still hit enemies with them. Too many nerfs, too fast. Also I disagree about destroyer nerfs. Destroyers are easiest class to kill, even for carrier and now they nerf them? lol. I feel pity. Glad I stopped in Minekaze long time ago. Next nerf will be US Cruisers, then battleships again, then... it will be a cycle of bad decisions, when all you really needed was removing strike setups and more xp from killing planes, and no touching to destroyers. I would even say buff high tier destroyers.

[Sharana]

They will be completely useless.

Don't be so sure, the same was said after the CBT nerfs, yet they are more then fine. IJN 5-8 clearly overperformed (as expected, they didn't remove the strike deck for OBT like they did with 9-10 tier CVs) in hands of the avarage Joe so something has to be done. The "alpha period" solution with high skill floor so you need more skill to actually play them on avarage level was rather bad as almost no one actually played them, they were "too complex". Now they have low skill floor so even avarage Joe can play good (tier 4-7/8) and they are more popular (still far behind others), so the only solution is to nerf them so that they are still easy to play, but don't bring such good rewards for the avarage Joe - they will be down to the Bobs sailing BBs.

 

I don't see it as making them "completely useless".

[Krogort]

How about removing the different decks and having 1 defined loadout per carrier ?

Seeing the trouble that carrier are for balance, it would make the job easier.

 

Just add the XP to the hull or plane upgrade.

[lebed0s]

Problem is that people dont understand data they see. Why dmg/win ratio/xp is higher on CV then other ships. Only thing they see is that 5>3 but cant understand reasons behind it.

Lets counter your obvious lies again with making it easy for even a rat´s brain to get it right.  

 

3 basic numbers (statistics) represent reward to player for his skill/effort and make player happy/unhappy about any game. No matter how much bullcrap you will wrap it in and whatever mechanics are behind these numbers because it doesnt matter. At all.

 

XP+credits - direct reward based on players performance, enables him progress in the game and measures his direct success in the game. Motivates him to progress further.

WR - everyone wants to win and not to lose, your contribution to victory and platooning reflects in your WR. More wins than losses makes you feel good about the game.  

K/D ratio - nobody likes to die in a computer game and also makes him happy to "kill the other guy" on opposite team This is overlooked statistics but very imporant one to every player´s happiness with his performance in the game. Undirectly keeps him motivated to play the game when K/D ratio is in positive numbers. 

 

We can put the actual average damage aside as % of damaged ship are more important and are indirectly counted in all of those numbers I have stated above. 

 

Well. CVs have all three parameters significantly higher than all other classes. Therefore "happiness" of average CV player is much higher, performance much better and reward much bigger than of other players. Difference in performance between top players of each classes is even higher than of average Joes.

 

Now the definition of the word "overpowered"

overpowered

Adjective 

1. Smtn. that obtained more power than needed 

2. Smtn. possessing too much power

 

Result: CVs are overpowered because they perform much better than other classes and reward CV players with more happiness and faster ingame progress than other players. 

 

 

 

[Luckyio]

Having the best games today. 2v2 carriers. Rest ten of the each team might as well not even be there. Hardcore seal clubbing that ends in a draw for a singular reason - DPM of god awful carriers who keep making terrible drops is not quite enough to terminate entire enemy team before 20 minutes marker.

 

Ah, the joy of T8. If this is the vaunted "high tier gameplay that rewards skill and teamplay" that our resident "CVs are not OP, really" supertesters keep hitting us on our collective heads with, well. It's really no wonder this game is already down to less than half the users it had at open beta launch. I'd be shocked if more people who reached this level of gameplay hoping to play ship based shooter rather than what is the worst RTS if our time didn't just quit then and there. There is literally no gameplay here for ships other than CVs. Only being XP pinatas.

 

Best part? You get to pay about a third of your income in repairs because hand of god keeps slapping you from the sky with damage when it doesn't manage to stumble and fall on its sword, while they are getting no repairs and slightly elevated service costs themselves, all while earning far more income.

 

I almost feel I shouldn't even complain. Being a in a T6 cruiser I died among the last ships before timer expired to a draw, so my repair bills must've not been even half as soul crushing as those of my T8 comrades and opponents who got sunk at the beginning as hands of god decided they were worth more coins so they got clubbed first on both sides.

 

P.S. In before animu pictures and standard "it's not that our ships are OP, it's that we're just that good" CV supertesters.

[Hummus]

Step 1) get yourself a US cruiser of tier 6 or higher. (or an Atlanta )

Step 2) get some AA captain skills or equipment (the +20% extra AA range is a fun one)

Step 3) Laugh at planes.

 

 

[mtm78]

Aww stuff it, he has never said CV's didn't need readjustment you're just trying to twist his words to make it look that way. First everyone attacks Sharana and now Ishiro32, 

 

Please quote him saying 'CV's are ok, I'm just that good'. If you can't....

 

 

 

[viceadmiral123]

When I play my t9 CV, a lot of players complain about match making and carriers being OP and the like. What I find is, most of the enemy ships are usually 1-2 tiers below me, enemy CV captains don't defend their team, and everyone generally plays solo.

I honestly expect CVs to keep getting nerfed until it is no longer required to team play against them.

[mtm78]

When I play my t9 CV, a lot of players complain about match making and carriers being OP and the like. What I find is, most of the enemy ships are usually 1-2 tiers below me, enemy CV captains don't defend their team, and everyone generally plays solo.

I honestly expect CVs to keep getting nerfed until it is no longer required to team play against them.

 

Sadly this is what some people want, remove the team play aspect carriers enforce so they can rambo play like CoD/Unreal Tournament. But I got faith in WG, they don't want that meta at all ;)

[Ragoutrabbit]

HAHAHAHAHAHA my god what a broken class.

 

Got to the Ryujo last night there's basically nothing your target can do it's literally like stealing candy from a baby, only thing you have to fear is higher teir CV's.

 

Going to abuse the class until they fix it.

[mtm78]

HAHAHAHAHAHA my god what a broken class.

 

Got to the Ryujo last night there's basically nothing your target can do it's literally like stealing candy from a baby, only thing you have to fear is higher teir CV's.

 

Going to abuse the class until they fix it.

 

The player stats page for me has always been up to date, for you it says you got 0 carrier games in PVE and PVP.

 

[Luckyio]

Aww stuff it, he has never said CV's didn't need readjustment you're just trying to twist his words to make it look that way. First everyone attacks Sharana and now Ishiro32,

 

Don't worry about it. You are the part of the Three CV Supertester Stooges in our eyes. You're just slightly less trolly then they are. Not nearly enough to not count in their little clique however.

 

And every dark comedy trope needs that one guy who's at least marginally reasonable. You're pulling that job quite well.

[mtm78]

I don't worry, you can't give quotes of things which haven't been said so it's just a bit sad to read and realize so many people have such personal issues they have to resort to lies and insinuations to make up for them.

[Vulgarny]

blablablbalba

 

 

And you still write here your blablabla?

[Hummus]

Funny though ... normally an overpowered class or ships gets over represented in the MM, because everybody is playing it.

But I very rarely see a game with 4 CV... Half the games I play don't have a single CV in them ! (which makes my Atlanta very sad)

 

But if I look at the number of Clevelands I meet (just an example ... The Cleveland is perfectly balanced and doesn't need any tweaking WG) They seem to be half the tier 6 population

[Naskoni]

 

The player stats page for me has always been up to date, for you it says you got 0 carrier games in PVE and PVP.

 

 

 

Just like your number of battles in the Yamato, eh?

[mtm78]

 

 

Just like your number of battles in the Yamato, eh?

 

CBT stats...

 

Yes I never had a Yamato

 

 

[Naskoni]

 

CBT stats...

 

Yes I never had a Yamato

 

 

 

 

 

CBT stats? Where?

 

 

You wouldn't happen to be desperate enough to post PST game screenshots, would you? Also, very intelligent to post screenshots with your pr0n torrent client visible on them

[Unintentional_submarine]

 

 

 

CBT stats? Where?

 

 

You wouldn't happen to be desperate enough to post PST game screenshots, would you? Also, very intelligent to post screenshots with your pr0n torrent client visible on them

 

You can see by how the screen is shown that it is a CBT screenshot. Don't be daft please.

[mtm78]

KptStryzga isn't ST sorry 

 

Btw who uses torrents for pr0n..