Any news on when the skillships will be nerfed? (CVs)

[Sharana]

Didnt causing damage to lower tir targets give you less exp? Also farming damage agist nibble CA and DD cause less damage and so exp than scoring Multi hits agist BBs? 

 

Damage vs lower tier target gives less exp and vs higher tier gives you more exp. "Farming damage" does not exist - you citadel the enemy cruiser for  50% of it's hp and you get you rewards. You spam the enemy BB for 5min taking 50% of his huge hp pool and you get absoluely the same reward (all ships are the same level). There are no bonuses for hitting harder targets or "multi hitting".

[Iron_Gekko]

So, we have not only the avg dmg as evidence that CVs are OP as [edited], but also XP. Nice to know.

 

 

Yeah, like it is only about the avg dmg of DDs, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I have to repeat me again:

 

The very best DD players dont reach more than 70k avg dmg per battle, while every half decent CV player laughs at those numbers. So, I ask again, where is the balance.

 

If you are that passionate about it and feel it so strongly I advise you to go to the development forums, then you can tell the WG team what a bunch of idiots they are and demand that they change the game mechanics.

[Krogort]

Damage vs lower tier target gives less exp and vs higher tier gives you more exp. "Farming damage" does not exist - you citadel the enemy cruiser for  50% of it's hp and you get you rewards. You spam the enemy BB for 5min taking 50% of his huge hp pool and you get absoluely the same reward (all ships are the same level). There are no bonuses for hitting harder targets or "multi hitting".

 

Obivously I have not played as much or as well as you but I've come to the same conclusion.

[Spellfire40]

Im not english speaker but even with my vulgarish I understood what Sharana wrote.

 

Well when I was writing the Post werent up,-))

 

Cya

 

Spellfire40 

 

 

[OVanBruce]

I don't get why some of the present aren't on the public test having a taste of the high tier ships. It's the perfect oportunity to know more about the issue at hand. Got Midway in abreeze and I'm a pretty average CV player.

[Hannibalurg]

I don't get why some of the present aren't on the public test having a taste of the high tier ships. It's the perfect oportunity to know more about the issue at hand. Got Midway in abreeze and I'm a pretty average CV player.

 

According to the Asian stats some of the people on this forum lives by, anyone above 41% winrate is above avg.

(Asian Midway winrate is 41%)

[Hannibalurg]

Also, Gearing has the best winrate on top 10%

 

Nerf DD's anyone?

[avenger121]

 

According to the Asian stats some of the people on this forum lives by, anyone above 41% winrate is above avg.

(Asian Midway winrate is 41%)

 

Small sample size.

 

 

(This is the 2nd or 3rd time I have to tell you this.)

[avenger121]

Also, Gearing has the best winrate on top 10%

 

Nerf DD's anyone?

 

I have counted it, this is the 4th time:

 

Small sample size!

[Hannibalurg]

 

Small sample size.

 

 

(This is the 3rd time I have to tell you this.)

 

Then why do you/or that specskla guy constantly refer to them?

 

The stats don't suits you guys anymore, therefore you find exuses not to use them. You told me to discredit his arguement, and so i did.

Now you provide a new argument of the pool beeing to small. Please make up your mind on what "facts" you will refer to.

[Hannibalurg]

 

I have counted it, this is the 4th time:

 

Small sample size!

 

Then stop [edited]refering to it!

[avenger121]

avenger121, on 14 August 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

Damage is nearly not affected from the small sample sizes, but you only take the winrate into account at this small sample size, while ignoring the horrific dmg.

[specialkha]

Also, Gearing has the best winrate on top 10%

 

Nerf DD's anyone?

 

Since only the Gearing is, it seems, over the top, let's nerf it. In that case, we can nerf the whole Cv line since the whole line has better win rate than everything else Tier wise.

[avenger121]

Guys! The sample size is far too small to say anything about the winrate, however, the actual damage done per match is barely influenced by the sample size listed.

[Hannibalurg]

 

Since only the Gearing is, it seems, over the top, let's nerf it. In that case, we can nerf the whole Cv line since the whole line has better win rate than everything else Tier wise.

 

Imagine if you did 1 game for each one of your posts, you would atleast be a better player.

Your low tier stats beat my lower tier stats, true enough. But then again you keep farming new players, i keep fighting experienced players. So im cool with it.

 

Looking forward until the day you make your way to the big boys

 

Guys! The sample size is far too small to say anything about the winrate, however, the actual damage done per match is barely influenced by the small sample size.

 

 

Then why do you ask me to answer posts related to them?

[mtm78]

 

Use this feature,

 

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/501112274-mtm78/#tab=pvp/account-tab-ships-pvp

 

And when you encounter good players, look them up and take notice of their nickname for later referance.

 

Ohh wait, you are also a babyseal clubber keep farming low tier against the new players, well then when you reach higher brackets you can find plenty of these examples for yourself

 

Enjoy watching this Des Moins in the meanwhile.

 

 

Lol you're a good debater... no really you would be my choice for debate team captain for sure!

 

Now link to accounts when you posted cropped screenshots and admit you're a bad player and the reason you don't have 70%+ in the over performing carriers is because you're terrible which can be seen from all your <50% other classes.

 

Btw that Des Moines has terrible dmg and to low amount of battles to account for anything. 

 

avenger121, on 14 August 2015 - 11:13 AM, said:

 

Answer this please, Hannibalurg. http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/24816-any-news-on-when-the-skillships-will-be-nerfed-cvs/page__st__620__pid__459385#entry459385

 

 

I will refrain from commenting on unofficial released numbers. For all i know that site can be fabricated, or unaccurate. It would not be able to give an educated response to those numbers. (That's why i use WG's stats page instead)

 

But il indulge for a quick comparrision.

 

Hakuryu Tier 10 IJN Air Craft Carrier with a 47.62% winrate.

Midway Tier 10 USN Aircraft Carrier with a 41.11% winrate

 

 

 

Most of the people who have really high win ratio on high tier BB/CA/DD also usually have a CV in their division. You can find literally dozens of people with rather average or even subpar stats on tier 9-10 because they team up with a CV players who is doing good thus achieving 70-90% win ratio merely just being AA pets (especially on higher tiers, where the MM usually has hard time finding proper enemies yet).

 

That is nothing more then an assumption. And uneducated at that. After i achived Hakuryu i am about 40% winrate vs Pape's premade divison, there is no such thing as 3 man carry at higher tiers.

 

 

Yes, let's not use numbers when they don't support your claims, shall we.

 

OVanBruce, on 14 August 2015 - 09:54 AM, said:

 

You still haven't provided the names asociated to those stats.

 

And i still won't drag people i play with/against on a daily basis into a retarded discussion like this without their consent.

 

In the meanwhile, enjoy this pepsicola.

 

 

 

Link to account not cropped images. Ow wait, we already asked for that but you're afraid to do that right.. And this guy is divisioning with a carrier for sure, giving escort for most of the battle as can be deducted from his low dmg and high wr. 

 

You, sir, are the most clear example of a forum troll regarding this subject I have seen. When everyone, and all facts, are quite clear in that CV's are overperforming, you're claiming they are fine for one reason only; to make it look like you're actually not that bad a player as your other classes would indicate. It's really sad to see you continue to do so, and accuse other people of trolling when they ask you to stop putting up hot air against solid hard arguments and just admit you don't want your epeen diminished by a less over performing carrier implementation. Well guess what, it's not working, at all. And in the same time, you're also losing any credibility you might once have had on this forum.

 

For that, you deserve a slow clap.. 

 

[Krogort]

 

Then stop [edited]refering to it!

 

Stats are not very reliable for T9 and 10 on most lines due to the small sample size.

 

Especialy the Gearing with only 7 people having unlocked it by the time those stats were pulled.

Gearing had only 131 battle played as opposed to Hakuryu 2477.

[Hannibalurg]

 

Lol you're a good debater... no really you would be my choice for debate team captain for sure!

 

Now link to accounts when you posted cropped screenshots and admit you're a bad player and the reason you don't have 70%+ in the over performing carriers is because you're terrible which can be seen from all your <50% other classes.

 

Btw that Des Moines has terrible dmg and to low amount of battles to account for anything. 

 

 

Yes, let's not use numbers when they don't support your claims, shall we.

 

 

Link to account not cropped images. Ow wait, we already asked for that but you're afraid to do that right.. And this guy is divisioning with a carrier for sure, giving escort for most of the battle as can be deducted from his low dmg and high wr. 

 

You, sir, are the most clear example of a forum troll regarding this subject I have seen. When everyone, and all facts, are quite clear in that CV's are overperforming, you're claiming they are fine for one reason only; to make it look like you're actually not that bad a player as your other classes would indicate. It's really sad to see you continue to do so, and accuse other people of trolling when they ask you to stop putting up hot air against solid hard arguments and just admit you don't want your epeen diminished by a less over performing carrier implementation. Well guess what, it's not working, at all. And in the same time, you're also losing any credibility you might once have had on this forum.

 

For that, you deserve a slow clap.. 

 

 

You are entitled to your opinion.

 

I was asked to provide ships with 70%+++ winrate. I delivered. I delivered on all classes, obviusly not from the same account. But nonetheless i won't drag people i play with/against everyday into a discussion of this low class. Pape is a streamer, therefore allready exposes himself, if you were to play on my tier you would have no issue of finding examples like this.

 

However my stomach remains quite firm, if you are personally displeased that i don't go around refering around to random people on the forum, that's ok. I will take that heat.

All i have said and posted has been documented, so to judge my credibility you would need to find flaws, lies, and incorrect issues, which you will not find.

 

So if you, personally don't find me credible, do not worry, i will sleep just as good tonight

You are nothing more than a seal clubber, your word carry light weight, but i do you the respect to answer your posts, because after all i am a decent guy.

 

 

[Hannibalurg]

And by the way mtm78

 

A tier 7 cruiser have almost the same dmg pr match, than what you have in a tier 8 Battleship. You talk big, preform very little, according to your own logic.

 

[OVanBruce]

IMHO Pape's division is the worse example you can give since most of the players tat division with him are just leeching from his talent.

[Hannibalurg]

IMHO Pape's division is the worse example you can give since most of the players tat division with him are just leeching from his talent.

 

I can assure you none of the above are from his division, i think his division mainly are BB's and they would have higher winrate than what i'v posted.

[specialkha]

 

Imagine if you did 1 game for each one of your posts, you would atleast be a better player.

Your low tier stats beat my lower tier stats, true enough. But then again you keep farming new players, i keep fighting experienced players. So im cool with it.

 

Looking forward until the day you make your way to the big boys

 

 

 

Then why do you ask me to answer posts related to them?

 

I do not farm them. You just play more, and yet, still a worst player than me. Meditate on that.

[mtm78]

You are nothing more than a seal clubber, your word carry light weight, but i do you the respect to answer your posts, because after all i am a decent guy.

 

I stopped my IJN DD on tier 5, when I could have gone higher a lot sooner. In that aspect you're right, I stopped to keep playing a lower tier DD. That that is because of the higher amount of planes in the air in higher tier games, the rof and stealth of Minekaze, or because I meet 'lower skilled' people in lower tiers, well you seem to have made your mind up already about that.

 

Fact is that most people who did not play carriers, saw no point in rushing to higher tiers ( only to get sunk by the CV rushing players because 'balance' ). I am playing my IJN CA line and am progressing as fast I can, but I have not been able to play as much as in CBT because my time is more limited now. Anyone who can do math, you can do math right, can see I'm not postponing going up in tier as my total xp on all ships indicates differently. But yes, I have an 'opinion' according you, something I wouldn't actually say that way as it's far more than just an opinion, and you don't like it so you try to character attack me and discredit my arguments in that way. Obviously, if you have to resort to those kind of arguments, you don't have anything more solid. But I give you style points for trying 

 

And by the way mtm78

 

A tier 7 cruiser have almost the same dmg pr match, than what you have in a tier 8 Battleship. You talk big, preform very little, according to your own logic.

 

 

How many BB games have I played since OBT started, I even told you earlier I don't play BB's much. And you want to compare my ONLY BB ( except Ark. Beta reward ) I got, with a captain with no useful skills ) and use that to claim I don't know what I am talking about when what I say has nothing to do with my performance in BB's. Again, I commend your efforts and give you points for style but fact remains you're totally ignorant of how badly people see you right now just because of how you're presenting yourself in this topic. 

 

Just to reiterate:

 

I so far have found

 

1.  lies -> mtm is a seal clubber / cv's are fine, it's all because of skillz
2. flaws -> failure to link to accounts but posting cropped images because you know the accounts would give indications on how those 'numbers' are obtained / linking to a Des Moines with terrible dmg but good wr because he divisions with a high tier carrier
3. incorrect issues -> thinking you are not so transparent that everyone knows you're just afraid that nerfing cv's would show how bad you are with your other classes. 

 

Again, you sir, deserve this fully;

 

 

 

[Hannibalurg]

I so far have found

 

1.  lies -> mtm is a seal clubber / cv's are fine, it's all because of skillz
2. flaws -> failure to link to accounts but posting cropped images because you know the accounts would give indications on how those 'numbers' are obtained / linking to a Des Moines with terrible dmg but good wr because he divisions with a high tier carrier
3. incorrect issues -> thinking you are not so transparent that everyone knows you're just afraid that nerfing cv's would show how bad you are with your other classes. 

 

My choice not to expose people who aren't debating in this thread is decensy, not a flaw, or wait maybe decensy is considered a flaw where you are from.

You are a sealclubber, your stat indicate so. But then again feel free to try and convince others of anything else.

Third point is just nonsense.

 

If only you had as many matches as you got posts would show you could back up what you say, but then again we now from your posts/ matches where you prefer to fight your "battles"

 

Have a great weekend

[Hannibalurg]

 

I do not farm them. You just play more, and yet, still a worst player than me. Meditate on that.

 

Come to higher tiers, and let's see if you can walk the talk you talk

 

Have a good weekend, specialkha. We will continue this discussion on monday.