Aircraft Carriers-2 vs 1

[anonym_u5USg8CcK96I]

MM should make it 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2 only. Being the lone CV against 2 others means you cannot do anything for your team and are guaranteed to be dead within 5 mins if the other 2 know what they are doing. For example I just had a game in my Langley against to Hosho carriers. Tell me WG what do you expect my squadron of fighters to do against 2 fighter squadrons and 4 torpedo bomber squadrons?

Exit to port because you're as good as dead. The 2 fighters tied up mine and then anvil attacked me with 4 TB squads, I managed to evade some of the torps and escaped with about 3% health. The fighters then stayed near to my carrier to stop me launching any aircraft while they re-armed the TBs and came at me with another 4 squad attack. So I though f*** this I'm not going to give them the pleasure, quickly launched my TB squadron and killed myself with my own torp bombers.That was the most satisfying experience in the whole match.

[mtm78]

MM should make it 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2 only. Being the lone CV against 2 others means you cannot do anything for your team and are guaranteed to be dead within 5 mins if the other 2 know what they are doing. For example I just had a game in my Langley against to Hosho carriers. Tell me WG what do you expect my squadron of fighters to do against 2 fighter squadrons and 4 torpedo bomber squadrons?

Exit to port because you're as good as dead. The 2 fighters tied up mine and then anvil attacked me with 4 TB squads, I managed to evade some of the torps and escaped with about 3% health. The fighters then stayed near to my carrier to stop me launching any aircraft while they re-armed the TBs and came at me with another 4 squad attack. So I though f*** this I'm not going to give them the pleasure, quickly launched my TB squadron and killed myself with my own torp bombers.That was the most satisfying experience in the whole match.

 

Announced mirror matchmaking for carriers in next big patch, thread is redundant ;)

[anonym_u5USg8CcK96I]

 

Announced mirror matchmaking for carriers in next big patch, thread is redundant ;)

 

That is good to know I guess I can stop raging now ;)

[Deckeru_Maiku]

 

That is good to know I guess I can stop raging now ;)

 

It's also redundant because it was utter crap. A good CV player can find ways around two opposing CVs. Although some combinations might be easier to play against than others...

[DtXpwnz]

 

It's also redundant because it was utter crap. A good CV player can find ways around two opposing CVs. Although some combinations might be easier to play against than others...

 

right now most CV players at low tiers are very inexperienced. They usually don't know about the carrier "kill or be killed" meta, they will not be looking for your planes, they will not be warned by the fact that your planes are missing for 4 minutes... And they almost definately don't know about getting planes out of map border. Yesterday I was even able to surprise Taiho (just flew around map edge, he had his fighter in the middle, trying to do god knows what, wasn't suspicious about my missing planes at all... and ofcourse he repaired immediately after taking torpedoes and I am pretty sure he didn't have skills and equipment to diminish fire and flooding dmg). This is state of carrier gameplay, you can outplay most of enemy carriers...

 

I got bored of Shokaku (third carrier in a row that is pretty much the same... ugh) and started Langley grind... so I will be reporting soon how it goes :-)

[anonym_u5USg8CcK96I]

 

It's also redundant because it was utter crap. A good CV player can find ways around two opposing CVs. Although some combinations might be easier to play against than others...

 

No mate you are full of crap. The scenario was a Langley (1 fighter, 1 torpedo bomber) against 2 Hosho (2 fighter and 4 torpedo bombers).

 

 Explain to me how you would defeat them because you are clearly a self-proclaimed "good CV player".

 

 

Please, go ahead.

[DtXpwnz]

 

No mate you are full of crap. The scenario was a Langley (1 fighter, 1 torpedo bomber) against 2 Hosho (2 fighter and 4 torpedo bombers).

 

 Explain to me how you would defeat them because you are clearly a self-proclaimed "good CV player".

 

 

Please, go ahead.

1 Langley vs. 2 Hosho... You are screwed if they decide to coordinate strike against you. But if they misplay, you can still do alright. Langley has superior fighters, you can take out both of their fighters one by one and still have some ammo left to attack TBs. Just try to avoid 2v1 fights. But I would say that in most cases they will not attack you (because public...) And you can play your game

[anonym_u5USg8CcK96I]

1 Langley vs. 2 Hosho... You are screwed if they decide to coordinate strike against you. But if they misplay, you can still do alright. Langley has superior fighters, you can take out both of their fighters one by one and still have some ammo left to attack TBs. Just try to avoid 2v1 fights. But I would say that in most cases they will not attack you (because public...) And you can play your game

 

That is the whole point the attack was completely coordinated at me right from the start. It was just them against me, they didn't attack anyone else.

[DtXpwnz]

I think I might have been in that battle :-) let me check the replay folder tomorrow. If they play it well, you are screwed. What you can do though... Hug the map edge, most of current low tier CV captains don't know how to deal with that properly. And use your fighter to panic their TBs. And use premium repair consumable and -fire, flooding duration captain skill, that could help you survive and maybe they would give up eventually

[anonym_u5USg8CcK96I]

I think I might have been in that battle :-) let me check the replay folder tomorrow. If they play it well, you are screwed. What you can do though... Hug the map edge, most of current low tier CV captains don't know how to deal with that properly. And use your fighter to panic their TBs. And use premium repair consumable and -fire, flooding duration captain skill, that could help you survive and maybe they would give up eventually

 

Let me know if you were lol;) I did manage to sneak a TB squadron through when they were re-arming and got about 3-4 hits on one of them but the rest of the game I was entirely on the defensive. Every time their  TBs came for me they had fighter escort so when I tried to engage their fighters would pounce on mine so they got tied up in a dogfight and the TBs could attack me unhindered.I'm a pretty capable CV player but I still can't avoid a 4 squadron TB attack. I got rage at the end and killed myself but it was a good Midway-style carrier on carrier battle, even though it was frustrating for me.

[goodman528]

 

right now most CV players at low tiers are very inexperienced. They usually don't know about the carrier "kill or be killed" meta, they will not be looking for your planes, they will not be warned by the fact that your planes are missing for 4 minutes... And they almost definately don't know about getting planes out of map border. Yesterday I was even able to surprise Taiho (just flew around map edge, he had his fighter in the middle, trying to do god knows what, wasn't suspicious about my missing planes at all... and ofcourse he repaired immediately after taking torpedoes and I am pretty sure he didn't have skills and equipment to diminish fire and flooding dmg). This is state of carrier gameplay, you can outplay most of enemy carriers...

 

I got bored of Shokaku (third carrier in a row that is pretty much the same... ugh) and started Langley grind... so I will be reporting soon how it goes :-)

 

I'm half way through Hiryu, and I think the kill or be killed CV meta is very unhealthy. It's not fun for whoever gets killed after 5mins, and quite often you both loose a lot of planes trying to kill each other. Especially in tier 7+ games, where every carrier has at least 1 fighter squad, the fight can get quite drawn out, and you both end up not having a good game. I prefer to just live and let live, and just leave each other alone, high caliber is a lot better than clear sky. However, there is always the occasional US CV running full fighters load out who is just out to ruin your day, but how they managed to get past the Bogue grind I do not know.

[DaWyrm]

Well, being a lone jap CV vs 2 US CV you might as well just keep your planes on your flight deck..

[mtm78]

 

I'm half way through Hiryu, and I think the kill or be killed CV meta is very unhealthy. It's not fun for whoever gets killed after 5mins, and quite often you both loose a lot of planes trying to kill each other. Especially in tier 7+ games, where every carrier has at least 1 fighter squad, the fight can get quite drawn out, and you both end up not having a good game. I prefer to just live and let live, and just leave each other alone, high caliber is a lot better than clear sky. However, there is always the occasional US CV running full fighters load out who is just out to ruin your day, but how they managed to get past the Bogue grind I do not know.

 

As a non carrier captain I must protest, all the time you're fighting the enemy carrier is time you're not torpedo bombing me in my CA/BB/DD and thus greatly adds to the enjoyment of the game. I would say you're doing a great job carrier hunting 

 

[DtXpwnz]

 

I'm half way through Hiryu, and I think the kill or be killed CV meta is very unhealthy. It's not fun for whoever gets killed after 5mins, and quite often you both loose a lot of planes trying to kill each other. Especially in tier 7+ games, where every carrier has at least 1 fighter squad, the fight can get quite drawn out, and you both end up not having a good game. I prefer to just live and let live, and just leave each other alone, high caliber is a lot better than clear sky. However, there is always the occasional US CV running full fighters load out who is just out to ruin your day, but how they managed to get past the Bogue grind I do not know.

 

I agree that it is unhealthy... But I call it "kill or be killed" for a reason... if you don't send first attack against him, there is a good chance that he is sending his planes against you - you might kill or damage some other ship, but you will die. This applies if it is IJN carrier, if he is using 2/2/2 setup, then you have to take him out, otherwise his fighters will be annoying - and if he is using fighters then he is not a very good CV player anyway and you should be able to kill him. If it is USN carrier, allways depend on map and situation, I generally go for carrier kill almost allways, because it improves chances of our team a lot. And this "meta" will exist as long as there are IJN carriers that can use pure strike deck.

[specialkha]

 

As a non carrier captain I must protest, all the time you're fighting the enemy carrier is time you're not torpedo bombing me in my CA/BB/DD and thus greatly adds to the enjoyment of the game. I would say you're doing a great job carrier hunting 

 

 

And once a team run out of CV, they are screwed as the remaining cv will roflstomp your team. Nice!

[mtm78]

 

And once a team run out of CV, they are screwed as the remaining cv will roflstomp your team. Nice!

 

Which is why you better either pray your CV is good, or you division up with one which you know if good. He/she doesn't need to win, but even surviving against carrier sniping means enemy carriers damage output is negated while he is still alive. Which btw emphasizes the importance of covering your team's carrier in early game, making sure he isn't surprise sniped.

[specialkha]

 

Which is why you better either pray your CV is good, or you division up with one which you know if good. He/she doesn't need to win, but even surviving against carrier sniping means enemy carriers damage output is negated while he is still alive. Which btw emphasizes the importance of covering your team's carrier in early game, making sure he isn't surprise sniped.

 

OR that means that the influence of CVs is far too great if you compare it to the others class, and thus need to be toned down.

[mtm78]

 

OR that means that the influence of CVs is far too great if you compare it to the others class, and thus need to be toned down.

 

Regardless, while this mechanic is still true, better screen your allied carrier and battle boats.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

[redsh1rt]

 

Announced mirror matchmaking for carriers in next big patch, thread is redundant ;)

 

No reason for it not to be implemented now.  It would take a programmer what.. less than half an hour to do?  

 

It wouldn't even need a client side patch!

[Iron_Gekko]

MM should make it 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2 only. Being the lone CV against 2 others means you cannot do anything for your team and are guaranteed to be dead within 5 mins if the other 2 know what they are doing. For example I just had a game in my Langley against to Hosho carriers. Tell me WG what do you expect my squadron of fighters to do against 2 fighter squadrons and 4 torpedo bomber squadrons?

Exit to port because you're as good as dead. The 2 fighters tied up mine and then anvil attacked me with 4 TB squads, I managed to evade some of the torps and escaped with about 3% health. The fighters then stayed near to my carrier to stop me launching any aircraft while they re-armed the TBs and came at me with another 4 squad attack. So I though f*** this I'm not going to give them the pleasure, quickly launched my TB squadron and killed myself with my own torp bombers.That was the most satisfying experience in the whole match.

 

This is actually a lot of fun if you're in a division, have a AA cruiser buddy next to you and watch them burn their first waves before ignoring you the rest of the game.

 

Most of my team "when I asked politely" normally club a bit around me, or I simply follow their group, this makes you extreamly costly to hit. Yes the plane to plane ratio will suck, but thats where you're personal skillz come into play

[viceadmiral123]

 

Announced mirror matchmaking for carriers in next big patch, thread is redundant ;)

 

Really? I thought 2v1 match-ups were the most strategic ones. I make my team win the game while being the underdog carrier.

[mtm78]

 

Really? I thought 2v1 match-ups were the most strategic ones. I make my team win the game while being the underdog carrier.

 

That really depends on which carriers you're talking about and their captains, the gap between some tiers is much larger in some cases than in others. All in all, this will lower the amount of one sided matches somewhat and thus lower the amount of MM complaints.

[Orree]

 

I'm half way through Hiryu, and I think the kill or be killed CV meta is very unhealthy. It's not fun for whoever gets killed after 5mins, and quite often you both loose a lot of planes trying to kill each other. Especially in tier 7+ games, where every carrier has at least 1 fighter squad, the fight can get quite drawn out, and you both end up not having a good game. I prefer to just live and let live, and just leave each other alone, high caliber is a lot better than clear sky. However, there is always the occasional US CV running full fighters load out who is just out to ruin your day, but how they managed to get past the Bogue grind I do not know.

 

As a non-CV driver, I tend to expect my CV(s) to deal with the other CV(s) where possible because, frankly...they are the only ones in a position to do so for a good portion of the battle.

 

"Live and let live" as a matter of course doesn't work for me and I suspect, a lot of people feel that way.  I get really annoyed when I see my CV(s) not going after the the enemy CV(s).  Sure, there are times wen it may not be that rewarding, but since the class already out-performs every other class in avg. XP and (I presume) credits, maybe CV drivers can spare it?   I totally get that some match-ups are pretty much impossible...but to the extent they aren't....

 

Of course, that kind of "team play" isn't rewarded sometimes (if you fail to win vs the other CV(s)) and people are usually gonna to do what works best for them (read: enriches them the most in terms of XP and credits), the needs/preferences of their team notwithstanding.  Just another way the current game fails to promote team play even tough the mechanics of the game demand it in some respects.

 

 

 

[Broevaharo]

Going for the other CV isn't always worth it, if the guy has a Pensacola or Cleveland escorting him you might as well throw rubber bands at him because the chances of getting a good launch on the CV is next to impossible so if I face that situation I just try to do more damage than the other guy