Going off this game quickly.

[FredKarno]

I really want to like and enjoy this game but am finding it increasingly difficult to do so. Poor MM is one of the chief reasons, along with the Ocean 'map' and what seems to me to be a developing pay-to-win strategy. Flags and module upgrades give what seems to me to be a large advantage to the player with the open and capacious wallet. 

 

Since Beta went open the toxic nature of the chat is also very off-putting. "It's the internet" is no answer, there are games and communities that are not afflicted, albeit they are much smaller.

 

I have been forgiving of the poor MM due to low player numbers in closed Beta and the difficulty that Divisions must present it but it's wearing thin now. A team with no CVs against a team with, especially on Ocean is just no fun for the team without. 

 

I've spent some cash on it, which I don't mind, in reasonable amounts so am reluctant to walk away but I'm thinking of doing so.

 

Do the developers care about user feed-back? I suspect not, they can only care about profit, which I also understand and judging by the continuing success of WoT, they will make one despite concerns such as mine and losing players such as me.

 

Septic.

[delaci76]

Then surely just take a break and play something else?

 

Not to say you dont have a point though..

[simonmd]

You may have seen a thread recently about the toxic nature of the public chats sometimes. I even had someone PM me AFTER a match to threaten and insult me further once! A lot of people here seemed to condone it with the "it's the internet" reasoning you stated above but this only applies if nothing is done about it. 

 

Simple fact is, alot of people dont think they can do anything but a bit of advise for you all, you CAN. In game, press Ctrl and then right click on a player name, it will give you the option to report them. I have received feedback from the devs via email that told me a player is delt with according to how MANY complaints they get so please, if you see anything like this, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. When they start realising there ARE consequences, maybe, just maybe it will calm down and we can all go back to enjoy the game. I'm not talking about the average "hey, dont ram me you idiot..." type of comment, we'd all be reporting more than playing! However, those that get personal, insulting, threatening, racist, etc. please, please do make an effort to help stop this.

[onya999]

I am in the same boat , MM is so broke it is unbelievable, That along with 75% of  players with no basic understanding of team work is putting me off the game fast. I would rather be in queue for 1 or 2 mins to have a fairly matched game than enter a guaranteed loss.

[FredKarno]

Then surely just take a break and play something else?

 

Not to say you dont have a point though..

 

Thank-you for responding delaci76. This obvious remedy is of course what I am doing, but as I stated above, my dilemma is that I would dearly like to play this game and enjoy it but it's difficult to do so. I have enjoyed a few competitive and even cordially played games recently but they are increasingly few and far between.

 

Septic.

[bigdoguk]

Cant get a win today :/

[Hannibalurg]

MM is same for all. Instead of Complaining* about it i think it's more constructive to just accept it and enjoy the game.

Winning a game your team is the underdog gives a greater satisfaction. It's not like devs will listen to them 20-30 people who complain on forums when they have 30-40 000 unique players each evening.

[TheEinsteinCrew]

Wow.

 

I'll agree to the part about the mm, but that's it.

 

Why would you quit a game because of one map? Why is that map worse to you than anyone else? Do you go YOLO on it?

 

Flags don't give much of an advantage... and wow what do you know, you can earn them for free in game. Just play well. 

And as for the module upgrades: you buy them with in-game credits. Everyone do. Buy some yourself if you think that's gonna win you games 

 

Now, the chat is a little funny. Every now and then someone will be pissed because they f**ked up and try to blame someone else. Just ignore it. The WoWs chat is nothing compared to other MMOs.

 

When the opposing team has a CV, and you don't, you have to utilize a little something called tactical play. Like having cruisers doing their job for once. That's a challenge in itself. That is something they need to fix asap about the mm though.

 

Wargaming can't possibly scratch everyone's back, and to be fair: if you look at the amount of horsesh*t being spewed out about Op this and OP that on this forum, you'll see that it's mostly useless feedback. they do listen to feedback, as long as it's reasonable. Don't like CVs? Too bad, you can counter them. Don't like DDs? Too bad, they can also be countered. And so on and so on.

Every ship has its purpose, and every ship has a counterpart. Of course BBs will have a tough time against CVs and DDs, but that's what CAs and friendly DDs are for...

[simonmd]

I am in the same boat , MM is so broke it is unbelievable, That along with 75% of  players with no basic understanding of team work is putting me off the game fast. I would rather be in queue for 1 or 2 mins to have a fairly matched game than enter a guaranteed loss.

 

How? Sorry but the game can only match with the perimeters it's given, sure you may have a T6 BB for example but are you any good? The Tier of your ship only proves your earnt xp to get it along the way, some players will have got there easy because they are skilled, others may have grinded (ground? ;) ) their way up there by playing 5 times as many games getting less points in each one. 

 

You're totally right about teamwork but again, how to fix this? Most online players have the 'lone wolves' mentality and think they know best. I recently tried to call someone back who was running towards two full health BBs only to be told to "STFU" in chat.... 2 mins later he was dead. The only solution is to join with others in a division, I have played like this a few times and it made a world of difference.

[FredKarno]

MM is same for all. Instead of bitching about it i think it's more constructive to just accept it and enjoy the game.

Winning a game your team is the underdog gives a greater satisfaction. It's not like devs will listen to them 20-30 people who complain on forums when they have 30-40 000 unique players each evening.

 

Steady on old chap, I don't believe I was "bitching". I also suspect that there are more than "20-30 people who complain on forums" about the issues I have politely raised.

 

It is presumptuous of you to believe that I do not gain satisfaction from winning the game where my team has the weaker MM. I have enjoyed many games that my team has lost.

 

Your suggestion to "just enjoy the game" seems to miss the entire point of my post.

 

Septic.

[FredKarno]

Wow.

 

I'll agree to the part about the mm, but that's it.

 

Why would you quit a game because of one map? Why is that map worse to you than anyone else? Do you go YOLO on it?

 

Flags don't give much of an advantage... and wow what do you know, you can earn them for free in game. Just play well. 

And as for the module upgrades: you buy them with in-game credits. Everyone do. Buy some yourself if you think that's gonna win you games 

 

Now, the chat is a little funny. Every now and then someone will be pissed because they f**ked up and try to blame someone else. Just ignore it. The WoWs chat is nothing compared to other MMOs.

 

When the opposing team has a CV, and you don't, you have to utilize a little something called tactical play. Like having cruisers doing their job for once. That's a challenge in itself. That is something they need to fix asap about the mm though.

 

Wargaming can't possibly scratch everyone's back, and to be fair: if you look at the amount of horsesh*t being spewed out about Op this and OP that on this forum, you'll see that it's mostly useless feedback. they do listen to feedback, as long as it's reasonable. Don't like CVs? Too bad, you can counter them. Don't like DDs? Too bad, they can also be countered. And so on and so on.

Every ship has its purpose, and every ship has a counterpart. Of course BBs will have a tough time against CVs and DDs, but that's what CAs and friendly DDs are for...

 

  Your patronising and passive aggressive attitude is entirely unhelpful but thank-you for your contribution.

[TheEinsteinCrew]

 

  Your patronising and passive aggressive attitude is entirely unhelpful but thank-you for your contribution.

 

Just giving my opinion on your whine'n'cheese.

 

You didn't give any reason why you feel that map is so bad, hence the assumption that you YOLO. 

 

Then you mention the pay-to-win-strategy followed by obviously assuming that flags and module upgrades give a huge boost for real-life cash. Which is a blatant lie.

 

Do tell me where I am patronising you, as I never really meant to do so. Passive-aggressive? Maybe, I'm a little fed up of all the unreasonable whining on the forums followed by "oh they don't listen to feedback".

[onya999]

 

 

How? Sorry but the game can only match with the perimeters it's given, sure you may have a T6 BB for example but are you any good? The Tier of your ship only proves your earnt xp to get it along the way, some players will have got there easy because they are skilled, others may have grinded (ground? ;) ) their way up there by playing 5 times as many games getting less points in each one. 

 

You're totally right about teamwork but again, how to fix this? Most online players have the 'lone wolves' mentality and think they know best. I recently tried to call someone back who was running towards two full health BBs only to be told to "STFU" in chat.... 2 mins later he was dead. The only solution is to join with others in a division, I have played like this a few times and it made a world of difference.

 

Its easy to fix match making (ship level/Gun Range/Class/HP Pool), how hard is that. This game is so much more around team work than any other aspect, for instance in WOT i am happy fighting 4 vs 1 as you can use side scraping gun elevation and terrain to make a difference however if you are up against 4 vs 1 in WOWS its near by impossible. I agree my win rate when in platoons is a lot better (75%) but its not possible to plat all the time.

 

 

[Hannibalurg]

This thread is just as the same as all the other QQ threads regarding MM, maps and we all know F2P communities are normally toxic.

 

So yes, i get your point, but making complaining thread #123164 will not help your case.

 

[FredKarno]

 

Just giving my opinion on your whine'n'cheese.

 

You didn't give any reason why you feel that map is so bad, hence the assumption that you YOLO. 

 

Then you mention the pay-to-win-strategy followed by obviously assuming that flags and module upgrades give a huge boost for real-life cash. Which is a blatant lie.

 

Do tell me where I am patronising you, as I never really meant to do so. Passive-aggressive? Maybe, I'm a little fed up of all the unreasonable whining on the forums followed by "oh they don't listen to feedback".

 

You just can't help it can you?

 

"...a blatant lie", really? I wrote "Flags and module upgrades give what seems to me to be a large advantage to the player with the open and capacious wallet". I also wrote "...what seems to me to be a developing pay-to-win strategy". I am happy to be persuaded otherwise.

 

I was perhaps foolish to expect a reasonable and friendly discussion here.

 

I'll leave the thread now, I rather regret starting it.

 

Septic.

[Mister_Greek]

MM curently needs tweaks,thats without saying.

 

As for the Ocean map,i cannot understand whats wrong with it.You do realise this is the pure battlefield of the navys?

 

Toxicity in chat? I had 6 times worse chat profanities in Wot than here.Its up to you to get used to it.Unfortunately,"its the internet" is probably the best answer you can have....

 

Hope you rethink and give a second chance

 

 

[Hannibalurg]

 I rather regret starting it.

 

Good, as the general active community is rather tired of threads like this.

[onya999]

 

Good, as the general active community is rather tired of threads like this.

 

Disagree, how will we get them to change unless we complain about it????

[el_bloom]

You may have seen a thread recently about the toxic nature of the public chats sometimes. I even had someone PM me AFTER a match to threaten and insult me further once! A lot of people here seemed to condone it with the "it's the internet" reasoning you stated above but this only applies if nothing is done about it. 

Dude, if you finish a game below 100 score expect to maybe get flamed by me. No personal insults if you don´t decide to go that way, just a little venting in your direction.

Take it like a man and don´t suicide next time 

[viceadmiral123]

I've spent 0 dorrars on the game, and I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

[Small_Bob]

I honestly don't see much of this "toxic chat" being spoken about here. Compared to other online games I've played, the chat here is positively warm and cuddly.

 

Could do with a bit less world of tanks complaining about "lemming trains" from new players though. Also the CV matchmaking is pretty poor at the moment. Hopefully as more players rank up it'll be possible to always match the same number of carriers of the same rank on both teams, cause that is a pretty big issue.

[Small_Bob]

 

  Your patronising and passive aggressive attitude is entirely unhelpful but thank-you for your contribution.

 

The unintentional irony is strong with this one.

[MudMonkey]

[Kaladania]

 

You just can't help it can you?

 

"...a blatant lie", really? I wrote "Flags and module upgrades give what seems to me to be a large advantage to the player with the open and capacious wallet". I also wrote "...what seems to me to be a developing pay-to-win strategy". I am happy to be persuaded otherwise.

 

I was perhaps foolish to expect a reasonable and friendly discussion here.

 

I'll leave the thread now, I rather regret starting it.

 

Septic.

 

I have sooo many flags - wish could give you some .... Always saving them for later and then never use them. And no i didnt buy them, you can get A LOT of flags by just playing. Modules .... hmmmm .... i am sure you can get modules for ships you have by playing game - it does not take more that 15 games to get full module set for any ship.

[aboch]

For someone the Pacific map is the worst one, for others like me, i like it. Especially i like 2 things on that map:

1.) It is the most realistic one and i like realism in games i play....

2.) It is the map where someone can not hide whole game behind a rock and that forces many player to actually team play, watch the minimap more often and being on the move all the time..

But than again, how often do you get that map? And when you get it i doubt it is always without carriers, next time both teams have carriers or only yours have.... 

 

I agree that the CV MM could be much better an could be even simple corrected, no doubt on that one ... Something i'am pretty sure will come soon, if not very soon, so patience pays back sometimes, and still have in mind, it is still beta, nevermind it is open beta so someone should have some understanding that not all is absolute perfect yet.

 

The chat? I personally think it is still very far from toxic, some phrases like idiot and noob ... sure, but isn't that you have in every team game? Damn, even if we play soccer we call each others idiots and after 1 minute the game goes on without bad feelings ... i think just normally in every team battles, even more they are random generated teams. Someone too soft that can not take here and there an "what an idiot", "total noob" or similar should better stick with solo games  (virtually and real life). When it is real toxic, happens with such huge member bases, than i'am all for reporting and chat bans which will happen for sure very soon too, like in WOT. 

 

About the signal flags, it is not a pay to win for sure, the effect is just too small on every flag to make it pay to win. And if you want special flags without paying, just make them for free ingame, some are really easy to get daily anyway.

 

Not sure what modules you are talking about, i can not see any modules that make it pay to win. IF you have the modules in mind that are called upgrades than ... just make enough credits to mount them, easy as that .....