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INVINCIBLE ARMADA - (Portugal) 1588

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D. Philippe ordered the preparation of an expedition that conquered England . Sent to prepare an army of 35,000 infantry and cavalry would be transported from Dunkirk , the English Channel by a fleet of flat-bottomed boats , which should be escorted and protected by a powerful fleet , to which they gave the name Invincible Armada . Lisbon, for its strategic placement and its ability to shelter, was chosen to meet this famous fleet. The plan was simple : command of the sea in the English Channel to transport and land in England, with all the security , the assembled army at Dunkirk , after marching on London. The naval preparations started in Lisbon , Cadiz , Italy and Flanders, would be delayed by Drake attack the port of Cadiz , which burned more than 100 vessels . It was this raid that the privateer attacked and destroyed the fortress located on the tip of Sagres , in the Algarve , before going searching vessels Career India and America. On returning to England still went on Lisbon but , by express order of D. Philippe , the Marquis of Santa Cruz, who stood there , did not come out to meet him. The Armada met , finally , on the Tagus , in early 1588 and left Lisbon on 27 May. Storms and audacious attacks of the English, led to the failure of this powerful fleet which , in the words of Charles Wild " infused more respect for the apparatus that offensive power ." With this setback , destroyed the naval power of Spain , and began the decay of the House of Austria, Portugal was politically connected . The effects of this disaster were serious for Portugal . We have for example, the loss of Asilah , delivered by Philippe to the Sultan of Morocco as a way to prevent a loan of 200,000 ducats that the applicant D. Anthony tried to negotiate with the Moroccan war expenses , as had been thrilled with the setbacks of Philippe against England .

 

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"D. Philippe ordered the preparation of an expedition that conquered England "

 

Might missed this but no Spanish or Portuguese Armada conquered England.  I guess this is just bad translation?

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Armada Invencible. A great storm avoid the conquer of England. The main part of the ships had to come back without shoot a cannon. Only a few soldiers arrived England. Even without support, they conquered few villages/castles. Finally, abandoned, they died fighting or come back to spain. It was the last try to conquer England, but Spain retained the supremacy on the sea during one century more.

 

Spain had to wait till the battle of Cartagena de Indias to take revenge of this episode. A great revenge based on the lidership of one of the best commanders and strategist in the history. Blas de Lezo. But this is another story.

 

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Really....and where did the great Spanish Army land then? 

 

I suggest you read up a little on the history of the Spanish Armada

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada

 

Relax Jeff. :teethhappy: The discussion hangs on some not-so-good translations.

I had no knowledge of this part of history, so I was reading the wikipedia page you posted. When you look at the route the Armada took, and the fact that multiple ships were destroyed on the coast of Ireland and Scotland, you can imagine some of the sailers actually made it to shore.. But I don't think it was a coordinated attack, I grant you that.

 

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They where killed as they came ashore, by orders of the Crown.  The English Navy & their Dutch allies did for the Armada, the great storm added to the casualties but certainly wasn't the reason they didn't land in England.  Certainly no towns or Castles where taken during the disaster that was the Armada.

 

Interesting point however about Cartagena (somewhere I visited while in the Royal Navy on HMS Antrim strangely) as this was the embarrassing defeat that led to the Royal Navy looking again at tactics, provisioning and spending huge sums on copper bottoms for all Warships.  The victualling and copper bottoms led to the RN being the dominating world armed force from 1757 till the end of the WWI.

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Hmm, always thought that the Drake/Norris expedition was the revenge for the Armada failure.

 

FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Armada

 

Yes, you're right (it's even called the "Counter" Armada). I know the Battle of Cartagena happened before, but let's say Cartagena de Indias was the revenge for Trafalgar.

 

Really....and where did the great Spanish Army land then? 

 

The Spanish did land at England (unless you're only talking about the Spanish Armada, the Spanish didn't manage to land during the campaign):

 

"In two days the Spanish took all they needed, burning Penzance and the villages of MouseholePaulNewlyn as well as taking cannons from the forts in the area and re-mounting them on their fleet.The town of Penzance had also been bombarded by the Spanish galleys; 400 houses were destroyed and three ships were sunk.

 

At the end of the campaign a traditional Catholic mass was held on British soil." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cornwall)

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We where only talking about the Armada, I was aware that the Catholic sympathisers helped a small landing in Cornwall but not as part of the Armada.  Cartagena was way before Trafalgar so hardly revenge.  Anyway the British conquered Spain while pushing the French out during the Peninsular war so the small raid on Cornwall was 'revenged' several times over.

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The British didn't conquer Spain during the Peninsular War, they just helped Spain to get rid of the French and defeat them.

It was no revenge at all.

Wikipedia explains it all [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Spanish_War_(1796%E2%80%931808)]

"In the beginning of 1808, the French presence in Spain was so predominant that it led to revolt. Napoleon then removed King Charles and his son Ferdinand to Bayonne and forced them both to abdicate on 5 May, giving the throne to his brotherJoseph. This led to the Peninsular War and the de facto end of the Anglo-Spanish War, as George Canningforeign secretaryof His Majesty's Government, declared:

 

 

"No longer remember that war has existed between Spain and Great Britain. Every nation which resists the exorbitant power of France becomes immediately, and whatever may have been its previous relations with us, the natural ally of Great Britain."
 
 
 
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I suppose it's a case of viewing history from a different perspective. 

 

The Spanish sailed against us with the French at Trafalgar 1805, they then invaded Portugal with the French in 1807 so you can see how they would appear to be at war with the British at the start of the Peninsular Campaign. 

Not many people realize the Spanish War of Independence started in early 1808 when the Spanish national administration dissolved and the regional Junta's took over until the Supreme Central Junta took charge in September of that year. 

Sufficient to say that the Spanish forces fought bravely against the French and the Spanish Supreme Junta eventually evolved into the beginnings of the present liberal/democratic Spanish system of government we know today.

The Cadiz Cortes met regularly during the two and a half year Siege of Cadiz and once the city was able to be relieved (because of Wellingtons victory over Marmont at Salamanca forcing the French out of Andalusia) the survival of the Spanish Government contributed decisively to the liberation of Spain.

 

 

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Lol, I was being a little controversial.  Spain was allied to France for the first part of the Napoleonic Wars but, like Italy centuries later, decided that was bad idea and switched sides.

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Portugal was and his a country of mens of the sea.

But we are reduced to a few ships, politics and wrong decisions had made loose power.

:honoring:

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Nice picture of the Torre de São Vicente with Mosteiro dos Jerónimos behind and in the far distance Castelo and Alfama. I’m going there this week.

 

 

Portugal was and his a country of mens of the sea.

But we are reduced to a few ships, politics and wrong decisions had made loose power.

:honoring:

 

 

Know how that feels mate, being from the UK and all:sceptic:

 

 

 

 

 

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