Enough is enough

[DarthMurloc]

Morning sailors,

 

apologies for a click bait title but I had to vent a bit of a frustration, so this is pure /rant topic. Personal therapy of sorts.

 

So... yesterday I sold my Myogi just 2 days after I finally ended my Kawachi grind. I was planning on getting Kongo and sit there but as for now it's no longer an option. Officially I'm dumping BBs and stick purely with CAs (as a collateral damage DD were also scrapped). So now I have 3 CAs active and further 3 harbor slots empty.

 

Why such harsh decision you ask? Truth be told I suxx at BBs. That's major reason. But current game doesn't give me ANY incentive to bare with them and even try to achieve anything. Yesterday was that drop that spilled the cup. I had 2 matches that left me in a state of complete rage.

 

Match #1

Played carefully (I tend to rush in and end being shot by multiple fast shooting enemies), stayed behind, tagged along other BBs and CAs, played way past my usual death threshold. My rant starts with massive bad RNG with shell spread. 32s reload time is totally wasted when 6 shells totally miss perfectly aimed shot. 12 km range isn't a problem, aimed, shoot just to see how shells hit the water on the both sides of an enemy's middle section. Before I could shoot again (reload time) my enemy was already killed by team CAs.

 

And then I found enemy BB. First round is mine with 3 hits for a total whooping 2k damage. He responded, put 2 hits for 20k ! W T F ??? One shot and half of my HP is gone. Aah, right... RNG favored him. So we try to kill each other, he eats 3 tops from team attack and score 2k per shell on me while I see 3-digit damage on him from mine. Really encouraging.

 

Predictably, he kills me.

 

Somehow this match was a win for a team and with 2x bonus I scored... 623 XP. wee... not.

 

Match #2

Yet another bad RNG feast. Range is 10-12 km, another good aimed shot just to see RNG toying with me. 3 salvos (6 shells each) gave me 1 hit. Literally 1 f**g hit. When my target decided to respond he put all 4 shells on me and destroyed one of my turrets. Call that equal exchange. Luckily I could hid behind an island. So I cruised around, 2 other BBs nearby engaging my target, comfy situation. Before I aimed my guns I got 2 TB waves. From both sides. I ate like 5 torps, like 5% hp left. And then got sunk. 2 minute mark. Kk thnx, bai. Scored hits: 4, XP gained: 54.

 

On top of that, my first Myogi match - formed a line of 4 BBs and CA in the end. Been in the middle of that line. Single TB out of the blue torped me full broad side (literally dropped those torps on me, could just sit, watch and admire) reduced my 42k to mere 8k. 

 

So, after that 54XP match I said: ok, was nice, BBs are cool. Now GTFO. Myogi - sold.

 

Enough is enough. I don't have nerves to play BBs. Each and every trick I tried is spoiled by lack of speed, lack of maneuverability, lack of range, lack of precision. I have a feeling that me playing BB is a free target range and free kill for everyone. Sh*t, BB role is to kill CAs while it's quite opposite. How can I kill them when even lower tier CAs have more range than me? They can hit and run past my range and all I can do is sit and die?

 

Games should be fun, bring joy and entertainment. Playing BB is everything but those. And don't say that it get's better after tier V. Kongo requires 20k of stars to unlock it. I had 1700 and still 2 upgrades short before that (8500 to be exact). So it's 28,5XP required. At 200 xp per match (my average BB income) it's ~143 battles. Granted that each match ends after 15 minutes (assumption) it's ~36 hrs. Playing 4 matches a day (don't have much time) it's 1 hr/day. So... somewhere in the middle of September I'd be close to Kongo.

 

Great perspective. Indeed. 1.5 month of suffering, frustration and humiliation. Day after day. Well, I'm not a masochist. Scrapped my Myogi and won't return to BBs until I have enough of free XP to buy off the bat both Kongo and Fuso. Right now I simply refuse to grind BB tree. Even if you paid me.

 

Sorry for that lengthy rant. I had to dump it and vent a bit. I feel much better now. I'll just stick to CAs - on them I at least I can shoot and hit something. And have some fun.

 

 

[Admiral_noodle]

Hey there. I had issues with Myogi until it became "super Myogi". Still didn't win many and it was useless on the "big race" map. Now I have fully upgraded Kongo and all is right with the world

Keep at it though. Super Myogi is a decent ship but is a big cruiser not a proper BB. You don't have armour to go play with US BBs so I found the best bet is to provide cruiser support and squash enemy cruisers.

 

I actually prefer playing cruisers, but stats suggest I'm a better BB player! :o

[ColonelPete]

You need to train more.

My Myogi is fully upgraded and fun. With the stock range of the guns, it was a bit frustrating.

[King_Dhuum]

Well, my advice to you: Don't ever start grinding US BBs. Really, you will uninstall the game once you are forced to play the Colorado.

[ilhilh]

All BBs struggle a bit stock but lower tier ones are noticeably worse.  Although I actually have got on ok with the Wyoming I still think you really need to get to tier V to start seeing what BBs are capable of.  I would say to anyone on the lower tiers that you just need to suck it up, and eventually it will be over!

 

The Myogi is more of a pig (than the Wyoming) in my eyes because the 6 guns means there are just too few shells heading towards the target and the speed, range and accuracy improvements over the Wyoming don't compensate for this.  Also, the 2 hull improvements just make it a longer slog getting it up to spec.

[Nechrom]

I think you just need more experience with the game.

Looking at your stats just to compare your performance with your different ships, you do almost exactly the same average damage with the Myogi as you do with the Kuma. The situation is the same with the Kawachi/Tenryu.

So tier for tier you do just as well in battleships as you do in cruisers.

 

I'm sure it would feel less random and frustrating if you increased your performance overall and that will only come with experience and more knowledge. There is some great content on YouTube to pick up skills and information from.

[Eisenengel]

It is tremendously frustrating to see salvos fired, all shots bracket the enemy ship but no hits. Time and time again. So, yeah, I liked playing BB's, but I don't play them much now. It's just too frustrating. Even if you get the occassional broadside that kills a full health cruiser in one salvo.

[rafparis]

Myogi maxed can be very good and kongo is a beast, you have given up too early, all tier 3 and 4 BBs suck...

[Alkran]

Could it be that you were using HE instead of AP against BBs?

Do you know where to aim at?

[DarthMurloc]

Thanks for the replies. Really appreciated.

 

now...

 

@ColonelPete

My first upgrade was gun range. Stock 12 km was ok for me (compared to 9.8 max fully upgraded Kawachi), 15 after upg was really nice. The problem here isn't range but accuracy. I had 18 misses in a row at 10 km range. And it was not front/rear miss. It was side miss due to spread (2 shells on the right, 4 shells on the left of the target). Training more gives nothing is inner RNG decides all shells go miss.

 

@King_Dhuum

Luckily I play IJN exclusively

 

@ilhilh

I'll suck it up when I'll have enough free XP to buy at least Kongo off the bat. Right now I don't want to uninstall due to frustration.

 

@Nechrom

Now, that's surprising. It means either I perform equally on various types of ships or equally sucks at cruisers. Anyway, 60 battles (more less) is still low and more game XP is neede, no argue here. As for YT - already used that and executed what I could. Tips like: hit more citadels to play better is like saying win a lottery to ease in your life.

 

I'm aware that hitting a citadel can do massive damage, experienced it on myself when other ship ate half of my HP in single shot. Everyone says that citadel shot is the best. But no one says WHERE that freaking citadel is. They say: aim here and your chances for a citadel are much higher. I am aiming there and all I see is either total miss (due to RNG) or 600-800 dmg on enemy.

 

But I'm starting to rant again. Frustrating accuracy of a RNG, long reload time. Thanks for the encouragement but for now I'll stick with CA and try to improve here. 

 

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@Eisenengel

e-xac-tly

 

@rafparis

Probably. But T3 and T4 is sucking so much that it's beyond my nerves. 

 

@Alkran

I'm not such a noob to do that. I may be guilty of firing AP at DDs (I know, I know, but try to quickly reload to HE with 32s reload time). Other than those very rare and occasional situation I use AP all the time. 

 

Do you know where to aim at?

 

Theoretically yes. But wouldn't hurt get additional knowledge about that. With that massive spread I can't be sure where I'm exactly aiming at. i just fire an pray for a single hit.

 

[Hannibalurg]

Look up how to score Citadel hits and read about armor angeling. It's normal to get 2-6ish citadel hits during a game as a BB, but it is all about your position and enemy position. Sometimes i get Citadels all the time, other times i don't get it no matter how hard i try. This is only dictated by my positioning. and my aim.

 

[Jackobite]

have faith is about all I can say,

You sound very much like me in how you play and I too have given up on BB, my two CA's are much more fun but I didnt sell my BB i think WG will get to grips with it eventually. I mean what is WoW's without Battleships?

also finding my way in Destroyers much more, Im a 100% dead ship in each game but I do damage before I go down.

[Nex_Gen]

The "citadel" is the armored part of any warship witch protects the boilers, power plant and the ammo storage aka magazines.

So where are these things.

 

The boilers are under the smoke stacks, and the magazines are under the turrets usualy.

they usualy sit at or just below the water line of the ship. 

 

and it is usualy wise to waste the first shot as a ranging shot. espec against other bbs or the st luis and other slow crap like the langly ....

[deathrow222]

yep they really need to start fixing things like MM, fires, DD´s that looses their engine, rudder, guns torps every time they got hit, battleships that cant hit crap at 3 km cuz of bad rng/dispersion

i was playing the new mexico yesterday and i had a enemy dd at 3 km i shot 12 shells and from those 12 shells 2 hit for an amazing 800 dmg, the other shells falled short or went over the ship or left/right side of it at 3km thats just [edited].

why playing a dd if every hit you get destroyed your rudder and/or engine, i liked playing it in CBT when i was in for some nice action but like it now is i only get frustrated by it.

[Nishczyciel]

Well, my advice to you: Don't ever start grinding US BBs. Really, you will uninstall the game once you are forced to play the Colorado.

 

Colorado is not so bad. I have it and it's pretty good ship (after hull upgrade of course). Colorado requires different playstyle. Since it has 37 sec reload time you should stay as far as possible from the enemy. Engaging enemy at 10 clicks is a very good way to die quickly but shooting from 18+ clicks will give you much higher chances of surviving a duel.

[NecroFlex]

Don't wanna brag but...

 

Was this a lucky game? not that much.

Point is, Kongo is OP

 

But for real, Myogi is special, it can do dmg but it's meh, but then you get this goddess and upgrade it, give it the accuracy upgrade and boom, you got yourself a killing machine, it's like they wanted you to hit citadels every salvo xD

Tho CAs are still a pain with the HE spam, but if he's showing me his broadside at like 10km range, mark my word, he's a salvo away from being probably 1-shoted xD

 

But yeah, atm, BBs are at the bottom of the food chain, they are RNG dependent, literally, everything you do in it is pure RNG.

I know last game, an Omaha was spamming HE at me, lit me on fire and with the fire and shots he did a total of like 20k dmg, then he exposed his broadside and got my salvo and i killed him, did 12k dmg, citadel and then he starts saying how pro BBs are...

 

Well, i can tell you that atm, Kongo is a baws, you will have fun (just unlocked the fuso so idk about her). But yeah, CAs atm are the top of the food chain, CVs being very close, DDs became bad after the nerfs, tho pre-t5 still just spray and pray, so yeah.

[ilhilh]

 

As you can see most of it sits below the waterline so you need to be aiming for the waterline at close ranges but always the central belt of the ship.  At distance you will have shells plunging through the deck armour but things like the superstructure protect it.  Also, at large ranges you might know where you want to hit but the accuracy and enemy course changes etc do mean it is to a certain extent out of your hands.

[OldGrandad]

@DarthMurloc - I empathise, as a cruiser captain I was still intrigued by the other classes so started the grind with all DD's and BB's. Now, look at the Myogi as the illness, the Kongo will be the cure, and as much as I am useless with it I can see that anyone that plays BB's must like her. Don't give up yet, keep on going!

[Admiral_noodle]

I hear stock Fuso is now awful too until upgraded...

[Unintentional_submarine]

I hear stock Fuso is now awful too until upgraded...

 

It certainly isn't great.

 

But it isn't that bad. If you treat it as a Wyoming for those battles you can get some value out of it in that configuration. You still have that massive broadside that will devastate enemies. So you have to play it differently. Get closer and then get back in safety (no, don't reverse...) after doing your business. Some maps are just a pain though (Ocean comes to mind).

[Interdiction]

Aye BBs are slow lumbering beasts that do not fire often enough for me .....CAs all the way ....I may even bin my CVs ..... 

[tfioi]

Put your chin up and get back at your BB grind.

 

Yes, stock BB and even worse low level BB are horrible (and I mean only horrible for newer players who have troubles), but once you get your hands on a full upgraded Kongo.

You'll see BB in a different light. Accuracy goes up and the number of CA players who show you a full starboard just rises

[dforce105]

Morning sailors,

 

apologies for a click bait title but I had to vent a bit of a frustration, so this is pure /rant topic. Personal therapy of sorts.

 

So... yesterday I sold my Myogi just 2 days after I finally ended my Kawachi grind. I was planning on getting Kongo and sit there but as for now it's no longer an option. Officially I'm dumping BBs and stick purely with CAs (as a collateral damage DD were also scrapped). So now I have 3 CAs active and further 3 harbor slots empty.

 

Why such harsh decision you ask? Truth be told I suxx at BBs. That's major reason. But current game doesn't give me ANY incentive to bare with them and even try to achieve anything. Yesterday was that drop that spilled the cup. I had 2 matches that left me in a state of complete rage.

 

Match #1

Played carefully (I tend to rush in and end being shot by multiple fast shooting enemies), stayed behind, tagged along other BBs and CAs, played way past my usual death threshold. My rant starts with massive bad RNG with shell spread. 32s reload time is totally wasted when 6 shells totally miss perfectly aimed shot. 12 km range isn't a problem, aimed, shoot just to see how shells hit the water on the both sides of an enemy's middle section. Before I could shoot again (reload time) my enemy was already killed by team CAs.

 

And then I found enemy BB. First round is mine with 3 hits for a total whooping 2k damage. He responded, put 2 hits for 20k ! W T F ??? One shot and half of my HP is gone. Aah, right... RNG favored him. So we try to kill each other, he eats 3 tops from team attack and score 2k per shell on me while I see 3-digit damage on him from mine. Really encouraging.

 

Predictably, he kills me.

 

Somehow this match was a win for a team and with 2x bonus I scored... 623 XP. wee... not.

 

Match #2

Yet another bad RNG feast. Range is 10-12 km, another good aimed shot just to see RNG toying with me. 3 salvos (6 shells each) gave me 1 hit. Literally 1 f**g hit. When my target decided to respond he put all 4 shells on me and destroyed one of my turrets. Call that equal exchange. Luckily I could hid behind an island. So I cruised around, 2 other BBs nearby engaging my target, comfy situation. Before I aimed my guns I got 2 TB waves. From both sides. I ate like 5 torps, like 5% hp left. And then got sunk. 2 minute mark. Kk thnx, bai. Scored hits: 4, XP gained: 54.

 

On top of that, my first Myogi match - formed a line of 4 BBs and CA in the end. Been in the middle of that line. Single TB out of the blue torped me full broad side (literally dropped those torps on me, could just sit, watch and admire) reduced my 42k to mere 8k. 

 

So, after that 54XP match I said: ok, was nice, BBs are cool. Now GTFO. Myogi - sold.

 

Enough is enough. I don't have nerves to play BBs. Each and every trick I tried is spoiled by lack of speed, lack of maneuverability, lack of range, lack of precision. I have a feeling that me playing BB is a free target range and free kill for everyone. Sh*t, BB role is to kill CAs while it's quite opposite. How can I kill them when even lower tier CAs have more range than me? They can hit and run past my range and all I can do is sit and die?

 

Games should be fun, bring joy and entertainment. Playing BB is everything but those. And don't say that it get's better after tier V. Kongo requires 20k of stars to unlock it. I had 1700 and still 2 upgrades short before that (8500 to be exact). So it's 28,5XP required. At 200 xp per match (my average BB income) it's ~143 battles. Granted that each match ends after 15 minutes (assumption) it's ~36 hrs. Playing 4 matches a day (don't have much time) it's 1 hr/day. So... somewhere in the middle of September I'd be close to Kongo.

 

Great perspective. Indeed. 1.5 month of suffering, frustration and humiliation. Day after day. Well, I'm not a masochist. Scrapped my Myogi and won't return to BBs until I have enough of free XP to buy off the bat both Kongo and Fuso. Right now I simply refuse to grind BB tree. Even if you paid me.

 

Sorry for that lengthy rant. I had to dump it and vent a bit. I feel much better now. I'll just stick to CAs - on them I at least I can shoot and hit something. And have some fun.

 

 

 

Don't buy the fuso. It sucks. I went back to the kongo. It's a much better ship imo

[Tsavong_Lah]

So... yesterday I sold my Myogi just 2 days after I finally ended my Kawachi grind. I was planning on getting Kongo and sit there but as for now it's no longer an option. Officially I'm dumping BBs and stick purely with CAs (as a collateral damage DD were also scrapped). So now I have 3 CAs active and further 3 harbor slots empty.

 

I would say BBs are a class that requires a bit more practice to do well in them. I would say playing cruisers is the way to go to learn the games as they are more forgiving and shoot faster, mostly, and the 155 and 203 guns can use AP and pen other cruisers to give you practice at aiming for the citadel. 

 

Having said that the Furutaka is quote difficult it has slow firing and slow turning guns. A big change after the Kuma. I found once upgraded to the bigger faster firing guns I could do well firing AB at CAs and some BBs and its good to learn how to do as you get more out of the higher tier Japanese cruisers that way. don't worry they get better than the Furutaka.

 

As for Japanese DDs you need to stay hidden and fling torps out at range were you cannot be spotted they are not so good in a gun fight as the guns turn and fire slow. Torps form stealth is the way to go.

[Unintentional_submarine]

 

Don't buy the fuso. It sucks. I went back to the kongo. It's a much better ship imo

 

I see you failed to see what the hull upgrade does... Kongo has but one real advantage over Fuso (her upgraded turrets also rotate about 2 seconds faster). Speed. Everything else has Fuso superior. I suppose if you want to be technical about it, stock Kongo has better range than stock Fuso.