Warderer Beta Tester 60 posts 2,914 battles Report post #1 Posted August 2, 2015 Cleveland was one of the most powerful ships in CBT and I'm surprised that they didn't nerf the ship. It's still ridiculously overpowered, devastating everything on her tier and above. The Pensacola although a great ship feels like a weak one after the Cleveland. Why don't they just swap the ships? Pensacola at tier 6 with slightly nerfed stats on her guns and Cleveland at tier 7. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro_O Beta Tester 41 posts 5,433 battles Report post #2 Posted August 2, 2015 Cleveland will be moved to the future CL line (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). IDK how long it'll take but it's not going to stick at tier 6 in the branch it is in at the moment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PKTZS] JapLance Weekend Tester 2,567 posts 18,265 battles Report post #3 Posted August 2, 2015 That they didn't nerf the ship? Have you used it after the Open beta started? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #4 Posted August 2, 2015 Swapping Pensacola and Cleveland doesn't solve the problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] principat121 Modder 6,023 posts 11,475 battles Report post #5 Posted August 2, 2015 The Cleveland is not the problem. Is merely the HE-mechanics and how stupid people play. Don't blame (or kill) the messanger... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryuuteimaru Players 503 posts 4,703 battles Report post #6 Posted August 2, 2015 The cleveland is god awful. even it's AA isn't that great unless you playing against complete idiotic CV player Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bl4ckh0g Weekend Tester 1,668 posts 33 battles Report post #7 Posted August 2, 2015 The Cleveland is not the problem. Is merely the HE-mechanics and how stupid people play. Don't blame (or kill) the messanger... The Cleveland is the problem. That ship has no business in tier 6. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HEROZ] GulvkluderGuld Players 3,467 posts 22,114 battles Report post #8 Posted August 2, 2015 That they didn't nerf the ship? Have you used it after the Open beta started? This. FYI, shell flight time and trajectory was changed (nerfed). Try it. Cleveland is the first cruiser in the USN tree that really suck imo. Also this is not just my opinion (although I am biased ). There was a poll somewhere on the forum, about who would prefer Omaha over Cleve. AFAIK about 45% of 100 players would. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BW-UK] Gunship14 Players 850 posts Report post #9 Posted August 2, 2015 Have you tried shooting with it? The posters above are right, HE and fires are the problem, not Cleveland. Personally I had much more fun and success using the Omaha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #10 Posted August 2, 2015 Cleveland was one of the most powerful ships in CBT and I'm surprised that they didn't nerf the ship. It's still ridiculously overpowered, devastating everything on her tier and above. The Pensacola although a great ship feels like a weak one after the Cleveland. Why don't they just swap the ships? Pensacola at tier 6 with slightly nerfed stats on her guns and Cleveland at tier 7. Cleveland was nerfed compared to the CBT i dont remember her having the Atlanta type arc at ranges above 10 km in CBT. And the Pensacola isnt a weak ship, Its armor stinks but with ap its firepower is way above the Cleves. Aoba would lose way higher in a direct confrontation than agist a cleveland. cya Spellfire40 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bl4ckh0g Weekend Tester 1,668 posts 33 battles Report post #11 Posted August 2, 2015 Have you tried shooting with it? The posters above are right, HE and fires are the problem, not Cleveland. Personally I had much more fun and success using the Omaha. AAaaaaahh, nope. The Cleveland is a problem in tier 6. Just look at the proposed RN CL trees, with the Cleveland at tier 6, 80% of them not gonna work. It simply prevents any CL line to be implemented. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryuuteimaru Players 503 posts 4,703 battles Report post #12 Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) The Cleveland is the problem. That ship has no business in tier 6. The ship apart from the AA sucks balls I'd rather play the Omaha at T6 the cleveland is that bad. Edited August 2, 2015 by Ryuuteimaru Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooneyBin Beta Tester 354 posts 1,037 battles Report post #13 Posted August 2, 2015 yeah, the Shell velocity nerf really killed the fun with the Cleveland for me (compared to cbt). and with the DM being the same, then i'm actually considering to completely drop the US Cruiser line, and then focus on the IJN Cruisers instead (that way i'll get Torps instead of AA (which aint really that helpful at the lower levels anyway)). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bl4ckh0g Weekend Tester 1,668 posts 33 battles Report post #14 Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) The ship apart from the AA sucks balls I'd rather play the Omaha at T6 the cleveland is that bad. How good or bad is She has nothing to do with the fact, that If the Cleveland remains in tier 6, then navies, even the RN, will need paper ships in the cruiser department in order to have a continuous full line. And We would not want that, now do we? E.: well, it is really more like, they will need even more paper ships. Edited August 2, 2015 by Bl4ckh0g Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BW-UK] Gunship14 Players 850 posts Report post #15 Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) AAaaaaahh, nope. The Cleveland is a problem in tier 6. Just look at the proposed RN CL trees, with the Cleveland at tier 6, 80% of them not gonna work. It simply prevents any CL line to be implemented. If you put it like that, it makes sense. But I think we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Currently, a lot of players dislike it for the firing arc. Edited August 2, 2015 by Gunship14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Battledragon Beta Tester 615 posts 1,251 battles Report post #16 Posted August 2, 2015 Well I have a Cleveland right now, and I only use HE on battleships and destroyers, I've not had problems being effective with Ap in it against cruisers. The higher trajectory can even be useful at times letting me pen lower tier battleships at range with deck fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnuSuaraj Alpha Tester 665 posts 10,194 battles Report post #17 Posted August 2, 2015 Also this is not just my opinion (although I am biased ). There was a poll somewhere on the forum, about who would prefer Omaha over Cleve. AFAIK about 45% of 100 players would. So 45% of people prefer the overpowered Omaha over the overpowered Cleveland? Maybe we could have the same match up between Minekaze and Isokaze? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bl4ckh0g Weekend Tester 1,668 posts 33 battles Report post #18 Posted August 2, 2015 If you put it like that, it makes sense. But I think we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Currently, a lot of players dislike it for the firing arc. There's like half a dozen light cruisers that You could only put into tier 6 If the Cleveland remains in that tier Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryuuteimaru Players 503 posts 4,703 battles Report post #19 Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) How good or bad is She has nothing to do with the fact, that If the Cleveland remains in tier 6, then navies, even the RN, will need paper ships in the cruiser department in order to have a continuous full line. And We would not want that, now do we? E.: well, it is really more like, they will need even more paper ships. Why would it the RN has plenty of Light cruisers to choose from with the Crown Colony-class been the British cleveland equivalent, all the cruisers from the Pensacola up are heavy cruisers. Edited August 2, 2015 by Ryuuteimaru Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bl4ckh0g Weekend Tester 1,668 posts 33 battles Report post #20 Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) Why would it the RN has plenty of Light cruisers to choose from with the Crown Colony-class been the British cleveland equivalent, all the cruisers from the Pensacola up are heavy cruisers. Yeah, but the RN does not have that many heavy cruisers, like tier 7 max and from that point only papers. I mean the County at most tier 8(has to be buffed), but the NO and Mogami is quite powerful compared to her And light cruisers are not gonna remain in tier <6 only. They will have proper lines as well. E.: Also, none of the RN light cruisers were actually better or that much better than the Cleveland to go into tier 7 currently. Edited August 2, 2015 by Bl4ckh0g 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warderer Beta Tester 60 posts 2,914 battles Report post #21 Posted August 2, 2015 Cleveland was nerfed compared to the CBT i dont remember her having the Atlanta type arc at ranges above 10 km in CBT. And the Pensacola isnt a weak ship, Its armor stinks but with ap its firepower is way above the Cleves. Aoba would lose way higher in a direct confrontation than agist a cleveland. cya Spellfire40 Even with the arc and projectile velocity nerf the Cleveland is stilla beast (gotta love that AA). I have played her a couple of times after the cbt on mt brothers acc and i dropped the japan line and now im grinding for her . Dont get me wrong i loved the Pensacola in CBT and i hope that the ship is the same now . She was he first ship from that line where you could actually feel the power on the guns and not rely on HE all the time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheJezna Beta Tester 790 posts 1,808 battles Report post #22 Posted August 2, 2015 The Cleveland is the most over-hyped ship in the game. Sure, it's a bit better then the Omaha as it should be, and right now the HE mechanics is a bit out of whack. That said, a Pensacola will own a Cleveland 99 times out of a 100 if in the hands of someone competent. And no, the AA isn't OP either. If anything, earlier US cruisers should have their AA improved so the transition to the Cleveland isn't as abrupt, that way CV captains would never get used to having no oposition and wouldn't whine as much once they face something that can slow them down for the first time in the Cleveland. Yes, the Pensacola plays differently then earlier US cruisers, it's not a HE-spammer. The following ships in the line play the same way though, so it's just about adapting playstyle. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reaver2145 Beta Tester 59 posts 1,437 battles Report post #23 Posted August 2, 2015 Cleveland is find, your incompetence is the problem. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ascender Beta Tester 468 posts 5,440 battles Report post #24 Posted August 2, 2015 the AA isn't OP either. If anything, earlier US cruisers should have their AA improved What do you mean? Let's do a fair comparison and check the Aoba, the Cleveland has about 40% more AA DPS AND about 3 times more in long-range AA DPS (which is the thing that gets buffed by the AA ability, so with the ability active the gap only becomes bigger). The earlier cruisers have a similar thing going on where the Japanese cruisers have FAR worse AA than their american counterparts. At least if you're going to babble on about something like this put it into the proper perspective and not an isolated dome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SD_DK] Valerius Players 108 posts Report post #25 Posted August 2, 2015 What do you mean? Let's do a fair comparison and check the Aoba, the Cleveland has about 40% more AA DPS AND about 3 times more in long-range AA DPS (which is the thing that gets buffed by the AA ability, so with the ability active the gap only becomes bigger). The earlier cruisers have a similar thing going on where the Japanese cruisers have FAR worse AA than their american counterparts. At least if you're going to babble on about something like this put it into the proper perspective and not an isolated dome. Japanese cruisers get torpedoes instead of AA... which means Japanese cruisers get a quite substantial offensive boost at close to mid range while the US cruisers can blow up planes. And he was referencing the Cleveland, which is a US cruiser, and comparing it to the Pensacola, also a US cruiser, and to previous US cruisers, none of which have anything what so ever to do with neither the Aoba or any of the other Japanese cruisers. Not really sure why you even mention the Aoba. At least if you're going to babble on about something like this read the post you are quoting first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
