Serial (Team) Killer

[ajb13]

What does a player need to do to get banned?

 

We have a player who for around 300 games has just team killed. He plays in a Tenryu, Yubari or Kuma and just starts his games by unloading their torpedoes into the nearest ship. He has been doing it for weeks and yet is still active. Are there no penalties imposed for team killing? He's not interested in stats, XP or credits so whats to stop him from just continuing?

[Steevo]

He gets that damage returned to him and if he is reported enough times he will be banned for a few hours.

[ajb13]

So basically he's going to be able to continue until he gets bored with it. Is it worth reporting him then? I didn't but others have and he's still active today (watch his profile). I know in WOT they ignore team killer reports, do they just do the same here? I know it's against the rules to name him (someone did in an unrelated thread once) but he has ruined 300 games for people so far. Very few teams can come back from being 2 ships down within the first minute

[SeaMonsterUK]

So basically he's going to be able to continue until he gets bored with it. Is it worth reporting him then? I didn't but others have and he's still active today (watch his profile). I know in WOT they ignore team killer reports, do they just do the same here? I know it's against the rules to name him (someone did in an unrelated thread once) but he has ruined 300 games for people so far. Very few teams can come back from being 2 ships down within the first minute

 

The reports Stack up

It's 1 hour first offence, then 2, then 24, then 7 days, then a 3 Months, 6 Months and 783 Centuries, if I remember right.

[ajb13]

So now we have 2 regular TK's, soulblight and Cortez10,  trolling and 'boasting' about their kills in the forums. Looking at their profiles they are either new or rather half-hearted in their team killing efforts. The player I was referring to is WinLix. He got 7 kills on his way to getting his Kuma and has spent the rest of his games, I'd estimate over 325, just team killing. Because the negative number in destroyed by other means cannot be higher than his kills, in this case 7, we'll never know just how many ships he team killed, suffice to say he ruined every game he participated in.

 

How do you get to become pink anyhow. I have accidently killed 3 teammates, once when an undamaged cruiser ran into 6 of my torpedoes, and never turned pink after any of them. I assume that's because I was targeting enemy ships within torpedo range at the time and not just firing them off at nothing. I very much doubt you can become pink except by the sheer stupidity of firing torps when no enemy is present or else actively targeting friendly ships.

 

It's obvious that the current 'slap on the wrist' policy isn't working, especially if they then taunt WG on the forums about how ineffective that policy is. Given that the TK's weapon of choice is a full volley of torpedoes that'll sink most ships instantly, a harsher policy than that used in WOT is needed, players do not have the time to respond and destroy the TK before he kills like they do in that game.

 

 

[simonmd]

It's obvious that they are just little boys who lack the skill to kill an enemy ship, they simply want to enjoy the easy kill and carnage of blowing away someone 100 yards away. My advice is to just treat them with the contempt they deserve and dont flame them in chat, they prob feed off that too. Everyone just ignore them, theyll get bored quick.

[Hannibalurg]

Won't stop them anyways, just create new accoutn, level up a DD, pewpew and enjoy the QQ.

[aboch]

This is a very valid topic that must somehow get an answer in my opinion. I have 0 idea how it is tolerated that 2, 3 or maybe 10 players that are not interested in the game itself are able to daily destroy the fun for many others. I even dooubt they are good costumers which at least would be somehow a reason to tolerate it to some extend. But i guess that a notorious teamkiller buys premium ships, premium time and gold as none of that is need to successfully team kill.

 

If i was in place at WG for that matters i would ban them immediatly with perma ban if it is such obvious behaviour like the current examples. Not only that, it would come even into my mind if not someone is trying to sabotage the game at very worst ...... Whatever the reason is that someone is notriously killing the ships in own team, the fun of the other 11 people of the team for each battle should weight much more and therefor only 30 days or even perma ban is acceptable for such cases......

[Sybeck]

This whole thing in various threads today is making WG look incompetent and ineffectual.  Not only are these people repeat TKers who are habitually and routinely reported by players, but they seem to be doing it on a massive scale that has as yet incurred no appropriate ban (to our knowledge) that fits the scale of their stupidity.  A day ban for 133 TKs, seriously?  Then on top of that they openly flaunt on WG's own forums how ineffectual WG are at dealing with TKers.  Yes the player base is pissed off with them, but WG should be having a good long look at their TK policies because not only are these people putting people off your still beta/showcase game WG, they are also publicly rubbing your face in your own doormat for everyone to see and getting away with it.  It's a free to play game, these people have nothing to lose or fear apart from a lengthy ban.  

 

Do you really think that people will be put off investing time and money in your game if you announced that TKers will receive the harshest bans if found to be persistent and proven deliberate TKers?  Or, do you think they will be put off investing time and money if you allow TKers to rack up +100s of TKs with no meaningful consequences and then openly boast about it on your very own forums?  I think we both know the answer.

[Siagor]

 

The reports Stack up

It's 1 hour first offence, then 2, then 24, then 7 days, then a 3 Months, 6 Months and 783 Centuries, if I remember right.

 

No, they don't. Look up these two threads.

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/24388-harsh-1d-ban-for-tk-but-almost-never-tked/page__p__422907#entry422907

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/24405-please-ban-cortez10/

 

WG people, you shold too.

[Blue_Bug]

I think the system needs an adjustment :

 

In my opinion someone should get punished when when he/she does more as 20% damage to two teammembers within an hour. At every violation the punsishment must be more severe.

 

- First violation: Play 3 games in Co-op mode with a victorie, at least 1 kill, no teamdamage.

- Second Violation: Ban for one hour and first punishment

- thirth violation: Ban for 24 hours and  5 games in Co-op mode with a victorie, at least 1 kill, no teamdamage

- fourth violation: Ban for 1 week and 10 games in Co-op mode with a victorie, at least 1 kill, no teamdamage

- Fifth violation: Ban for 1 month and 10 games in Co-op mode with a victorie, at least 1 kill, no teamdamage

- Sixt violation: Ban for 2 Months and 10 games in Co-op mode with a victorie, at least 1 kill, no teamdamage/  a warning to players who are playing from the same IP-adres that with the next violation the IP-adress will be blocked.

- Last violation: Permaban, including a blockage of the IP adress.

 

Besides this above : The one who damaged the teammember gets 2 times the damage he has done, and has to pay for full repair including a part of the camo and consumables costs.

 

Edit : Forgot something : After 50 games without any teamdamage you get back to the former violation level.

[Admiral_noodle]

That might be a bit harsh. I've seen vids on YT where the game has messed up and caused a TK!

[praetor_jax]

That might be a bit harsh. I've seen vids on YT where the game has messed up and caused a TK!

 

150 times in a row?

[ajb13]

That might be a bit harsh. I've seen vids on YT where the game has messed up and caused a TK!

 

But to turn teamkill pink I think you have to be very irresponsible or out right malicious with your torps. I have accidently team killed 3 times with them and didn't turn pink. But then I was actually targeting enemy ships at the time. If you turn pink and then continue to torpedo friendly ships it put's you in a different group to those who just mess up. We're talking about players like Winlix who does nothing but teamkill and those who openly admit to doing it hundreds of times on purpose like soulblight and cortez10

[Admiral_noodle]

 

150 times in a row?

 

No but the post above said 20% damage twice in an hour... You can do that with one errant salvo!

 

@ajb - agree with you. I was only querying the entry criteria for a ban. 

[SeaMonsterUK]

- Last violation: Permaban, including a blockage of the IP adress.

Bad Idea, blocking the IP address is not just punishing the offender but everyone within that IP Address, let's say 2 brothers and one maliciously blocking the other.

[_LordLucan]

the fix is to remove friendly fire damage from the victim and apply it to the firer instead, the only way to effectively grief that is to sail into others tops and to be fair if thats easily done maybe those torps shouldn't have been fired at all, plus making that happen with any reliability its going involve being closest to the enemy so likely to be dead from enemy fire before any chance to grief  turns up

[Sybeck]

the fix is to remove friendly fire damage from the victim .......................................................

 

The fix is to make Blue on Blue = FALSE.  Then all these threads go away as well as the ones about n00b torp users torpedoing their own side.  Not a move I would agree with, but there's a silver bullet fix if you want one.

[Blue_Bug]

Bad Idea, blocking the IP address is not just punishing the offender but everyone within that IP Address, let's say 2 brothers and one maliciously blocking the other.

 

Thats right, thats way with the forelast violation they also get a warning. Maybe they can that player let him  behave himself. It's better as that they just open a new account.

[mtm78]

 

Thats right, thats way with the forelast violation they also get a warning. Maybe they can that player let him  behave himself. It's better as that they just open a new account.

 

IP ban's never worked for any game that I know, people will use vpn or open proxy or just request new IP from provides ( either by modem restart of through direct contact ). Also it is not fair to expect other people from a dorm for instance ( lots of people sharing a single external ip ) to be responsible for one idiot which keeps team damaging his allies. WG is, not other people. 

[vildemort]

Why wouldn't there be team killer league in the game.

 

It would be just as normal battle mode but for pink ships and their commanders. That way, they would still have chance to play the game as normal, but with teammates with similar tendencies.

[Sybeck]

Why wouldn't there be team killer league in the game.

 

It would be just as normal battle mode but for pink ships and their commanders. That way, they would still have chance to play the game as normal, but with teammates with similar tendencies.

 

Meh, I wouldn't waste a byte of server space on them.  They can go play with each other; literally and figuratively.

[vildemort]

 

Meh, I wouldn't waste a byte of server space on them.  They can go play with each other; literally and figuratively.

 

Yes, but imagine how fun would their games be there

 

They already waste server space when they are among us in the normal matches, so why not give them a more dedicated playground; isolated from the nice and polite part of the community.

 

[Admiral_noodle]

Battle royals mode, all against all? That would be... Mad.

[SENAdmiral]

best solution:

 

mark a player pink AND make this in-game:

 

1 - pink ships visible ALL THE MAP no mater distances / smoke

 

2 - killing a pink ship give you x 1.5 XP AND are not considered TK when the pink guy its in your team.