Recent stats Trawl - Don't if posted before (interesting data inside!)

[Isitari]

Here is a recent trawl of stats (I found this via another forum), thought it might interest people:

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150728a/statistics.html#ship_exp

Average Score for Ships (all players) [ at 2015/07/28 ]

nation	class	tier	name	players	total battles	average of rates
						battles	win	experience	damage coused	warship destroyed	aircraft destoryed	base capture	base defense	point
JP	BB	3	Kawachi	89200	1102057	12.35	47.62	537	16910	0.61	0.05	1.20	6.09	20374
JP	BB	4	Ishizuchi	2806	30813	10.98	45.76	612	20417	0.53	0.17	0.78	4.29	16652
JP	BB	4	Myogi	59055	1406910	23.82	44.39	561	18549	0.42	0.46	0.84	3.90	23898
JP	BB	5	Kongo	16909	524293	31.01	44.09	740	27831	0.59	0.99	0.82	4.37	25862
JP	BB	6	Fuso	3486	155582	44.63	44.42	949	37724	0.75	1.12	0.86	4.53	29243
JP	BB	7	Nagato	964	46917	48.67	42.36	1225	38476	0.62	1.89	0.80	4.16	29073
JP	BB	8	Amagi	266	17437	65.55	43.51	1343	48729	0.72	4.46	0.93	4.44	32376
JP	BB	9	Izumo	48	2631	54.81	35.87	1305	48073	0.64	4.35	0.50	5.75	26400
JP	BB	10	Yamato	35	2489	71.11	37.92	1806	69499	0.92	8.43	0.48	4.63	32495
JP	CA	1	Hashidate	110264	298993	2.71	53.41	509	12064	0.85	0.02	1.37	11.30	7886
JP	CA	2	Chikuma	149455	858285	5.74	50.37	433	13188	0.54	0.00	0.91	8.44	13303
JP	CA	3	Tenryu	122313	1424673	11.65	47.94	556	16939	0.63	0.04	0.85	7.11	18889
JP	CA	4	IwakiAlpha	1130	10606	9.39	51.79	749	24500	0.86	0.94	1.18	7.48	15841
JP	CA	4	Kuma	56793	1152373	20.29	47.67	659	22136	0.67	0.29	0.90	6.99	23233
JP	CA	4	Yubari	10399	86294	8.30	44.68	657	15325	0.47	1.49	0.81	6.00	12477
JP	CA	5	Furutaka	21154	525994	24.86	42.73	583	17063	0.46	0.38	0.95	5.23	20987
JP	CA	6	Aoba	5088	183983	36.16	44.83	1118	29193	0.76	2.63	1.43	7.19	26860
JP	CA	7	Myoko	1631	74293	45.55	46.54	1314	38450	0.86	3.07	1.33	7.40	29689
JP	CA	8	Atago	5316	109810	20.66	39.72	972	24803	0.45	2.24	0.89	5.83	18180
JP	CA	8	Mogami	535	29582	55.29	47.26	1420	46192	0.91	3.22	1.45	9.38	31047
JP	CA	9	Ibuki	94	4824	51.32	38.62	1301	40687	0.73	4.23	0.91	8.43	25895
JP	CA	10	Zao	34	1530	45.00	41.86	1716	63513	1.04	4.71	0.76	10.68	29417
JP	CV	4	Hosho	27063	490097	18.11	47.04	811	37796	0.87	6.18	0.28	2.24	23663
JP	CV	5	Zuiho	11884	294554	24.79	49.23	1124	50614	1.14	6.99	0.27	4.51	27407
JP	CV	6	Ryujo	3912	126711	32.39	48.79	1438	61103	1.32	5.63	0.29	6.34	29889
JP	CV	7	Hiryu	1455	56387	38.75	47.36	1779	60801	1.18	15.91	0.40	6.53	31922
JP	CV	8	Shokaku	445	22486	50.53	44.92	2004	69642	1.28	15.34	0.33	7.87	32431
JP	CV	9	Taiho	144	8142	56.54	46.98	2351	78193	1.47	27.37	0.34	8.50	36555
JP	CV	10	Hakuryu	48	3276	68.25	48.26	2619	95959	1.62	24.45	0.52	8.81	38351
JP	DD	2	Umikaze	97464	585279	6.01	50.40	458	11748	0.63	0.00	0.96	3.78	13999
JP	DD	3	Wakatake	73893	828948	11.22	48.85	502	14150	0.62	0.02	1.04	2.76	19977
JP	DD	4	Isokaze	43616	846046	19.40	47.31	629	18732	0.69	0.08	1.46	2.40	24484
JP	DD	5	Minekaze	17828	578660	32.46	47.60	804	27619	0.91	0.12	1.99	2.54	29530
JP	DD	6	Mutsuki	4655	176281	37.87	42.77	800	19788	0.56	0.55	2.39	2.43	26887
JP	DD	7	Hatsuharu	1000	45812	45.81	43.22	1011	21200	0.55	0.66	2.59	4.30	29330
JP	DD	8	Fubuki	255	14253	55.89	41.50	1175	26110	0.59	0.65	3.48	4.65	30865
JP	DD	9	Kagero	45	2780	61.78	38.00	1272	34862	0.60	0.52	3.85	5.67	30041
JP	DD	10	Shimakaze	21	902	42.95	37.77	1338	41826	0.65	0.68	4.54	4.87	31634
RN	BB	6	Warspite	2710	40959	15.11	42.04	877	27699	0.54	2.29	0.75	3.94	18064
SN	CA	3	Aurora	722	7815	10.82	47.99	624	17696	0.61	0.00	1.05	8.89	16821
SN	CA	5	Murmansk	3199	77357	24.18	45.38	902	27262	0.73	1.40	0.90	8.14	22741
SN	DD	5	Gremyashchy	5350	70067	13.10	45.35	834	19474	0.66	0.34	1.32	5.30	17009
US	BB	3	SouthCarolina	55920	702843	12.57	47.73	522	19273	0.63	0.02	1.09	7.24	20543
US	BB	4	ArkansasBeta	24045	152855	6.36	47.80	721	26261	0.68	0.00	1.03	6.01	12465
US	BB	4	Wyoming	32490	707047	21.76	48.28	712	28549	0.73	0.47	1.03	6.25	26332
US	BB	5	NewYork	9982	297597	29.81	45.49	808	31180	0.70	0.75	0.86	5.36	26757
US	BB	6	NewMexico	3050	143251	46.97	44.90	1100	39597	0.80	1.32	0.93	5.27	30908
US	BB	7	Colorado	1014	54913	54.15	40.82	1128	35762	0.56	2.83	0.77	4.26	28873
US	BB	8	NorthCarolina	440	26479	60.18	42.07	1538	51434	0.76	7.50	0.83	5.03	33212
US	BB	9	Iowa	105	7005	66.71	46.12	1756	68066	1.01	8.05	1.20	5.94	36575
US	BB	10	Montana	31	1002	32.32	42.37	1793	67140	0.95	11.00	1.56	4.96	27995
US	CA	1	Erie	96366	236004	2.45	50.65	433	10768	0.68	0.01	0.99	9.93	6948
US	CA	2	Albany	1	1	1.00	0.00	41	0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	273
US	CA	2	Chester	107204	521961	4.87	48.19	441	10254	0.42	0.00	0.84	9.29	11615
US	CA	3	St.Louis	87888	1044797	11.89	49.80	526	19396	0.70	0.00	1.13	10.43	20292
US	CA	4	Phoenix	39959	675435	16.90	46.03	666	18380	0.54	0.15	0.82	7.08	21270
US	CA	5	Omaha	18088	533335	29.49	48.45	923	30225	0.91	1.39	1.16	9.37	27836
US	CA	6	Cleveland	8435	313027	37.11	45.73	970	31814	0.86	4.11	1.35	9.09	28088
US	CA	7	Atlanta	2865	58699	20.49	39.40	952	19521	0.51	3.37	0.96	6.02	19062
US	CA	7	Pensacola	1343	51350	38.24	42.54	1111	25643	0.57	4.14	1.20	6.94	25390
US	CA	8	NewOrleans	311	13908	44.72	42.80	1311	30526	0.61	6.73	1.56	8.21	26776
US	CA	9	Baltimore	68	3202	47.09	38.13	1425	31339	0.60	7.79	1.28	9.98	25062
US	CA	10	DesMoines	35	1098	31.37	41.70	1423	46267	0.81	6.94	2.73	11.68	24423
US	CV	4	Langley	14917	266973	17.90	42.41	683	23463	0.47	10.31	0.11	1.24	20940
US	CV	5	Bogue	5408	136180	25.18	41.79	863	26068	0.50	14.79	0.11	2.69	23613
US	CV	6	Independence	1379	46386	33.64	43.95	1234	45270	0.84	11.75	0.46	4.84	27528
US	CV	7	Ranger	430	21056	48.97	41.69	1388	50359	0.85	20.32	0.31	5.60	30867
US	CV	8	Lexington	156	7161	45.90	41.42	1555	51057	0.80	34.83	0.34	4.09	30859
US	CV	9	Essex	36	2466	68.50	44.71	1863	80638	1.47	24.34	0.35	6.35	36686
US	CV	10	Midway	15	839	55.93	43.00	2447	90910	1.44	24.75	0.72	5.91	33645
US	DD	2	Sampson	40829	204236	5.00	48.28	414	9675	0.54	0.00	0.71	5.22	12072
US	DD	3	Wickes	24279	242494	9.99	46.27	461	9992	0.44	0.01	0.74	3.98	17252
US	DD	4	Clemson	9547	162047	16.97	48.03	599	17152	0.70	0.02	1.18	4.44	23370
US	DD	5	Nicholas	3252	83272	25.61	46.04	867	21115	0.79	0.35	1.44	6.23	26874
US	DD	6	Farragut	814	26905	33.05	45.71	995	21541	0.75	0.57	2.32	7.08	28502
US	DD	7	Mahan	157	7005	44.62	45.41	1110	20396	0.69	0.52	2.50	7.38	30099
US	DD	7	Sims	3312	29557	8.92	39.60	801	12494	0.35	0.27	1.35	4.87	12607
US	DD	8	Benson	37	1813	49.00	44.48	1250	23046	0.67	0.47	4.86	8.69	31387
US	DD	9	Fletcher	10	647	64.70	44.13	1312	34380	0.87	1.19	4.39	10.22	40110
US	DD	10	Gearing	4	206	51.50	48.97	1738	45213	0.88	1.82	3.80	12.19	43709

 

[Isitari]

Part 2:

 

Average Score for Ships (top 10% expert players) [ at 2015/07/28 ]

nation	class	tier	name	players	total battles	average of rates
						battles	win	experience	damage coused	warship destroyed	aircraft destoryed	base capture	base defense	point
JP	BB	3	Kawachi	8920	160480	17.99	66.98	616	19429	0.75	0.05	1.88	7.13	34902
JP	BB	4	Ishizuchi	281	8460	30.11	58.76	761	24128	0.70	0.19	1.29	5.47	34846
JP	BB	4	Myogi	5906	222895	37.74	58.44	706	23758	0.57	0.74	1.24	4.81	38614
JP	BB	5	Kongo	1691	98702	58.37	57.35	1056	40894	0.92	1.96	1.30	5.68	43487
JP	BB	6	Fuso	349	24975	71.56	57.13	1332	54008	1.10	1.80	1.30	5.89	46140
JP	BB	7	Nagato	97	7966	82.12	52.86	1666	54410	0.91	3.30	1.07	5.24	44987
JP	BB	8	Amagi	27	3335	123.52	52.48	1770	66185	1.03	7.84	1.22	5.92	48779
JP	BB	9	Izumo	5	438	87.60	50.79	1856	69867	0.89	7.29	1.05	8.18	45670
JP	BB	10	Yamato	4	846	211.50	58.74	2637	106276	1.46	10.16	1.36	6.80	59654
JP	CA	1	Hashidate	11027	93019	8.44	71.36	561	12716	0.96	0.01	2.19	11.77	22050
JP	CA	2	Chikuma	14946	170491	11.41	70.34	471	14136	0.61	0.00	1.69	9.06	27427
JP	CA	3	Tenryu	12232	237529	19.42	65.98	663	19899	0.78	0.04	1.67	8.92	33621
JP	CA	4	IwakiAlpha	113	3824	33.84	65.22	1047	33902	1.20	1.22	2.26	10.55	39584
JP	CA	4	Kuma	5680	199619	35.14	62.78	838	28160	0.91	0.40	1.74	9.48	38696
JP	CA	4	Yubari	1040	33295	32.01	57.58	916	22302	0.76	2.23	1.72	8.97	33629
JP	CA	5	Furutaka	2116	100723	47.60	55.49	780	23222	0.68	0.52	1.73	7.19	37061
JP	CA	6	Aoba	509	27771	54.56	58.01	1437	37100	1.04	3.79	2.40	9.39	41934
JP	CA	7	Myoko	164	11009	67.13	58.94	1670	49317	1.15	4.36	2.25	9.64	44873
JP	CA	8	Atago	532	29713	55.85	52.36	1342	34981	0.70	2.79	1.62	8.27	35681
JP	CA	8	Mogami	54	5155	95.46	59.43	1805	61331	1.28	4.49	2.29	11.82	46588
JP	CA	9	Ibuki	10	929	92.90	52.14	1579	51674	0.89	4.62	1.66	10.61	42122
JP	CA	10	Zao	4	514	128.50	64.58	2254	81806	1.38	4.89	1.56	14.80	52580
JP	CV	4	Hosho	2707	78574	29.03	65.81	1061	49604	1.25	7.58	0.49	3.05	40508
JP	CV	5	Zuiho	1189	51858	43.61	65.73	1511	66901	1.73	7.29	0.55	5.82	45739
JP	CV	6	Ryujo	392	18661	47.60	66.39	1963	82266	2.00	5.43	0.62	7.72	48170
JP	CV	7	Hiryu	146	8929	61.16	61.85	2278	78400	1.71	18.97	0.71	8.65	49918
JP	CV	8	Shokaku	45	3476	77.24	60.02	2581	91328	1.90	15.90	0.69	9.87	50448
JP	CV	9	Taiho	15	1476	98.40	65.68	2983	107744	2.22	26.31	0.44	10.33	58836
JP	CV	10	Hakuryu	5	1002	200.40	71.01	3216	119557	2.25	23.53	0.64	11.21	65773
JP	DD	2	Umikaze	9747	146521	15.03	68.11	549	14268	0.78	0.00	2.10	4.45	30058
JP	DD	3	Wakatake	7390	129981	17.59	67.58	590	16824	0.78	0.02	2.38	3.39	34595
JP	DD	4	Isokaze	4362	131045	30.04	63.01	844	26390	1.01	0.10	3.29	3.31	41164
JP	DD	5	Minekaze	1783	107492	60.29	60.22	1089	38146	1.26	0.15	4.11	3.93	47935
JP	DD	6	Mutsuki	466	29940	64.25	54.37	1094	28317	0.81	0.90	4.87	3.64	44293
JP	DD	7	Hatsuharu	100	8442	84.42	52.92	1293	27182	0.73	1.03	4.67	5.78	45456
JP	DD	8	Fubuki	26	2482	95.46	51.51	1538	35077	0.87	0.93	5.83	5.84	46407
JP	DD	9	Kagero	5	417	83.40	51.85	1761	48744	0.94	0.53	8.70	6.34	49895
JP	DD	10	Shimakaze	3	188	62.67	53.53	1731	59570	0.91	1.15	3.10	2.20	46075
RN	BB	6	Warspite	271	13046	48.14	53.56	1231	40886	0.83	2.79	1.36	5.09	38709
SN	CA	3	Aurora	73	2435	33.36	60.95	860	24326	0.91	0.00	1.43	13.62	36412
SN	CA	5	Murmansk	320	19534	61.04	61.79	1342	41545	1.23	1.76	1.74	12.21	43225
SN	DD	5	Gremyashchy	535	28123	52.57	57.81	1234	31266	1.12	0.42	3.00	8.61	42915
US	BB	3	SouthCarolina	5592	104562	18.70	66.35	606	22390	0.78	0.02	1.64	8.24	35306
US	BB	4	ArkansasBeta	2405	62616	26.04	60.68	968	34295	0.96	0.00	1.50	7.35	34653
US	BB	4	Wyoming	3249	109346	33.66	62.84	872	35289	0.94	0.68	1.48	7.46	41704
US	BB	5	NewYork	999	48835	48.88	58.41	1055	41102	0.95	1.29	1.44	6.39	43015
US	BB	6	NewMexico	305	21411	70.20	57.08	1472	53134	1.09	2.48	1.32	6.56	46729
US	BB	7	Colorado	102	8204	80.43	52.30	1448	46183	0.76	4.97	1.20	5.52	44086
US	BB	8	NorthCarolina	44	4094	93.05	55.01	1988	67103	1.10	11.09	1.59	5.78	49515
US	BB	9	Iowa	11	1375	125.00	62.96	2326	87181	1.40	12.38	1.73	5.94	59466
US	BB	10	Montana	4	333	83.25	58.17	2372	97702	1.38	11.77	2.37	6.85	50010
US	CA	1	Erie	9637	65386	6.78	71.93	479	11000	0.76	0.01	2.40	11.91	18971
US	CA	2	Albany	1	1	1.00	0.00	41	0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	273
US	CA	2	Chester	10721	89877	8.38	72.38	476	10612	0.47	0.00	1.76	9.72	24398
US	CA	3	St.Louis	8789	192591	21.91	67.42	672	24623	0.95	0.01	2.00	13.53	36527
US	CA	4	Phoenix	3996	104590	26.17	63.76	918	26570	0.83	0.22	1.71	10.27	37062
US	CA	5	Omaha	1809	79708	44.06	63.14	1161	38900	1.25	1.85	2.18	12.50	43273
US	CA	6	Cleveland	844	56225	66.62	58.88	1278	41181	1.20	5.87	2.29	11.45	44352
US	CA	7	Atlanta	287	13948	48.60	52.49	1321	26873	0.77	5.45	1.99	8.55	35652
US	CA	7	Pensacola	135	8783	65.06	55.49	1517	36140	0.86	6.27	2.25	9.41	41603
US	CA	8	NewOrleans	32	2763	86.34	54.68	1601	38100	0.80	8.91	2.43	11.13	43823
US	CA	9	Baltimore	7	713	101.86	52.68	1913	41252	0.90	12.34	2.69	12.76	44682
US	CA	10	DesMoines	4	398	99.50	57.78	1862	57970	1.15	10.17	1.36	12.98	46783
US	CV	4	Langley	1492	43967	29.47	60.46	914	34163	0.71	12.72	0.19	1.62	37387
US	CV	5	Bogue	541	23394	43.24	56.52	1088	35856	0.73	16.96	0.20	3.32	39374
US	CV	6	Independence	138	7279	52.75	59.65	1687	68036	1.37	13.67	0.78	6.29	45047
US	CV	7	Ranger	43	2849	66.26	54.73	1792	69230	1.28	22.38	0.51	5.56	45226
US	CV	8	Lexington	16	1340	83.75	53.79	1921	67263	1.22	40.45	0.94	5.59	48486
US	CV	9	Essex	4	388	97.00	65.76	2612	124653	2.54	21.68	0.53	9.10	59065
US	CV	10	Midway	2	435	217.50	66.43	3227	127850	2.31	22.00	1.11	10.73	61660
US	DD	2	Sampson	4083	41671	10.21	69.20	442	10156	0.59	0.00	1.44	5.77	25668
US	DD	3	Wickes	2428	40615	16.73	64.73	547	11911	0.56	0.01	1.75	5.12	32074
US	DD	4	Clemson	955	26486	27.73	64.60	830	24078	1.03	0.02	2.82	7.13	41099
US	DD	5	Nicholas	326	13645	41.86	60.28	1146	28356	1.15	0.51	3.17	8.59	44374
US	DD	6	Farragut	82	4688	57.17	56.94	1285	27353	1.00	0.64	4.72	9.11	45712
US	DD	7	Mahan	16	1165	72.81	57.30	1462	29147	0.95	0.83	4.55	10.06	47588
US	DD	7	Sims	332	10761	32.41	52.08	1106	17784	0.56	0.28	3.03	6.64	32749
US	DD	8	Benson	4	355	88.75	51.51	1585	33791	1.07	0.50	6.92	8.42	48055
US	DD	9	Fletcher	1	143	143.00	56.64	1561	41143	1.06	2.14	6.01	9.22	56050
US	DD	10	Gearing	1	46	46.00	69.57	2082	58503	1.15	1.85	7.30	11.15	60412

 

Interesting stuff to take from this:

 

DD's are doing terribly (especially at higher tiers and even more so for IJN DD's)

CV's at high skill level and average are doing far far better than the other classes.

BB's seem pretty healthy overall.

 

Anything else anyone can see in there?

[Grimdorf]

Well at first glance I would say the first chart does not make any sense what so ever.

Just how do you explain "average" win rates for "all" players for nearly every ship well below 50%....does not compute.

 

[Isitari]

Well at first glance I would say the first chart does not make any sense what so ever.

Just how do you explain "average" win rates for "all" players for nearly every ship well below 50%....does not compute.

 

 

Draws

[dumbo11]

Overall, you would want to see a simple progression of damage from tier A to tier A+1, not necessarily linear as some good/great ships makes things a bit more interesting.

 

Looking at the ship lines:

- USN CA balance is complete nonsense.  The St Louis/Phoenix are messed up, as are the Omaha/Cleveland... and then things get silly.

- IJN CAs progress well, with the exception of the Furutaka.

- DDs flatline at T5.

- USN BBs progress well, with the exception of the Colorado.

- IJN BBs have issues with the Myogi and everything after the Fuso.

- CVs are crazy.

[Isitari]

All we can hope is that WG actually use these stats to help balance stuff, because at the moment some stuff is absolutely ridiculous...

[rocknrobot1]

Ooh, very interesting! 

 

[fugepilot]

Interesting stuff thanks +1

 

Oh, and I note only one poor soul playing the Albany ... but he/she is in the top 10% though!  

[Dbars_eu]

High lvl DDs get nerfed because of the IJN CV spam. There are way too many planes in the air spotting the DD. This causes DD to launch torps at long ranges and that means no torp hits. Especially since BB at the lvl go 30kts+. I would love a torp speed/reload buff TBH.

[Mikado_BB]

This is where submarine warfare would have kicked in vs higher tier ships and the DD became an anti-air "Flak Wagon" and anti-sub nightmare.

 

But I see Submarine warfare was discounted in this game so I can understand why you have players saying how pointless DDs get after a certain tier given what people are saying of higher tier gameplay with the other ship roles and their current build.

 

Shame these Devs did not know how to make Sub Warfare fun in this game compared to other naval comp games; it is a missing element.

 

It can also point out I suspect the size of the actual playing field has a lot to do with how playing different ships and their respective role paradigm perform too.  I know of a game being developed in the Ukraine for 18th century naval warfare with huge maps that really make a BIG difference and they are absolutely beautiful to boot with some spectacular weather effects.   How you make use of that space with your fellow Captains, with what ship you have can make for some very interesting challenges.  Lets hope there is a lot more to look forward to as the game gets developed further.

[Isitari]

This is where submarine warfare would have kicked in vs higher tier ships and the DD became an anti-air "Flak Wagon" and anti-sub nightmare.

 

 

But I see Submarine warfare was discounted in this game so I can understand why you have players saying how pointless DDs get after a certain tier given what people are saying of higher tier gameplay with the other ship roles and their current build.

 

 

Shame these Devs did not know how to make Sub Warfare fun in this game compared to other naval comp games; it is a missing element.

 

 

It can also point out I suspect the size of the actual playing field has a lot to do with how playing different ships and their respective role paradigm perform too.  I know of a game being developed in the Ukraine for 18th century naval warfare with huge maps that really make a BIG difference and they are absolutely beautiful to boot with some spectacular weather effects.   How you make use of that space with your fellow Captains, with what ship you have can make for some very interesting challenges.  Lets hope there is a lot more to look forward to as the game gets developed further.

 

Unfortunatly comparing any WG game to real life is totally pointless, it's an arcade through and through so they need to balance as such. Either that or I want nearly unspottable 40km range torps... (yeah thats a joke before people start kicking off)

[Blue_Bug]

I took a closer look at the figures and they are rather quite informative. The most important question is how reliable these figures are. As far I can see, we have no information about the source. Also we have to take into account the learning effect. We don't know how these figures changed in time. It could be that because of that people learn to handle the ship correctly the figures will change in future.

 

At this time we have nothing better, so I will make some conclusion based on these figures. I looked at the average figures for tier 3-6. I don't think that there is already enough data to speak of higher tiers. 

 

General conclusions :

In general we can say that the CA's are performing well. The US BB's are performing just above average. While the  IJN BB's are underperforming. The bigest surpise are the CV's and de DD's.  The CV's have an average winrate of 45,54% This is the lowest of all classes. This is due to the Bogue and the Langley. The IJN CV's are doing very well with an average of 48,35 % winrate. The experience of the CV's are far above average.

 

The DD's are doing beter as I expected. Where IJN DD's are doing just a bit better as the US DD's. The US DD's are doing just a bit 0,1 % better as the average. The IJN DD's are doing 1,5% better as the total average. For experience you don't have to play DD's. The average experience on a DD is far below average.

 

Another importantant figure is that CV's is the least played class. In the case we look at the combination of Class and Nation, The US CV is hardly played. The US DD is also hardly played. There where just above 700.000 US DD batles agains 3 mln IJN DD batles.

 

Looking closer a Tier : 

 

Tier 3 : This tier is quite well Balanced. The St Louis and (a bit Less) the Wakatake seems to be OP. The Wickes is doing badly. DD's are earning very low ex if you compare this to the other vessels.

Tier 4 : On this tier is the Wyoming (US BB) the best performing vessel (I excluded the iwakiAlpha). Directly followed by the Clemson (US DD). Interesting is that the winrate of the clemson is better as the winrate of the Isokaze (IJN DD), but the average experience on the Isokaze is better as the experience on the Clemson. The DD's are performing the best on this tier (if you look at winrate) , followed by CA-BB and last the CV.

 

The average experience shows a total different picture. In that case the sequence is CV-CA-BB-DD.

 

Tier 5 : The best performing class is the DD (on Winrate). That is not very surprising with the best DD's from IJN and US on this tier (personel opinion). The best performing vessel is the Zuiho (IJN CV) directly followed by the Omaha (US CA). The worst vessel is the Bogue. The US BB is performing just below average.

 

Tier 6:Maybe the most surprising tier of all. Best Class CV-CA-DD-BB on winrate. On experience : CV-CA-BB-DD. Best Vessel : Ryujo (IJN CV) followed by Cleveland (US CA). Worst vessel Mutsuki (IJN DD) (Warspite as premium excluded) followed by the Indendence (US CV). However the cleveland has a better winrate as the Aoba (IJN CA), the Aoba has a far better average experience.

 

The Farragut does better as expected, this might be influenced because only 27.000 batles where played with this vessel.

 

Final conclusions pure based on figures :

You can't say that a specific class is UP or OP. In general the IJN BB's and the US CV could need a buff. The economic profit of CV's are favourable the economic profit for DD's is bad. For the rest you can only decide on specific vessels. 

 

Please be aware that these figures don't tell you the whole story. I didn't went into the why questions because in my opinion that is not suited in a analyses of figures. The vessels don't have to balanced 100% on tier. A bad ship in a tech tree can be compensated by a good ship in the same tech tree. So not every vessel needs to have the same winrate and average experience. The average Winrate and experience in the total various techtrees shoud not vary a lot.

 

 

 

[Isitari]

I took a closer look at the figures and they are rather quite informative. The most important question is how reliable these figures are. As far I can see, we have no information about the source. Also we have to take into account the learning effect. We don't know how these figures changed in time. It could be that because of that people learn to handle the ship correctly the figures will change in future.

 

At this time we have nothing better, so I will make some conclusion based on these figures. I looked at the average figures for tier 3-6. I don't think that there is already enough data to speak of higher tiers. 

 

General conclusions :

In general we can say that the CA's are performing well. The US BB's are performing just above average. While the  IJN BB's are underperforming. The bigest surpise are the CV's and de DD's.  The CV's have an average winrate of 45,54% This is the lowest of all classes. This is due to the Bogue and the Langley. The IJN CV's are doing very well with an average of 48,35 % winrate. The experience of the CV's are far above average.

 

The DD's are doing beter as I expected. Where IJN DD's are doing just a bit better as the US DD's. The US DD's are doing just a bit 0,1 % better as the average. The IJN DD's are doing 1,5% better as the total average. For experience you don't have to play DD's. The average experience on a DD is far below average.

 

Another importantant figure is that CV's is the least played class. In the case we look at the combination of Class and Nation, The US CV is hardly played. The US DD is also hardly played. There where just above 700.000 US DD batles agains 3 mln IJN DD batles.

 

Looking closer a Tier : 

 

Tier 3 : This tier is quite well Balanced. The St Louis and (a bit Less) the Wakatake seems to be OP. The Wickes is doing badly. DD's are earning very low ex if you compare this to the other vessels.

Tier 4 : On this tier is the Wyoming (US BB) the best performing vessel (I excluded the iwakiAlpha). Directly followed by the Clemson (US DD). Interesting is that the winrate of the clemson is better as the winrate of the Isokaze (IJN DD), but the average experience on the Isokaze is better as the experience on the Clemson. The DD's are performing the best on this tier (if you look at winrate) , followed by CA-BB and last the CV.

 

The average experience shows a total different picture. In that case the sequence is CV-CA-BB-DD.

 

Tier 5 : The best performing class is the DD (on Winrate). That is not very surprising with the best DD's from IJN and US on this tier (personel opinion). The best performing vessel is the Zuiho (IJN CV) directly followed by the Omaha (US CA). The worst vessel is the Bogue. The US BB is performing just below average.

 

Tier 6:Maybe the most surprising tier of all. Best Class CV-CA-DD-BB on winrate. On experience : CV-CA-BB-DD. Best Vessel : Ryujo (IJN CV) followed by Cleveland (US CA). Worst vessel Mutsuki (IJN DD) (Warspite as premium excluded) followed by the Indendence (US CV). However the cleveland has a better winrate as the Aoba (IJN CA), the Aoba has a far better average experience.

 

The Farragut does better as expected, this might be influenced because only 27.000 batles where played with this vessel.

 

Final conclusions pure based on figures :

You can't say that a specific class is UP or OP. In general the IJN BB's and the US CV could need a buff. The economic profit of CV's are favourable the economic profit for DD's is bad. For the rest you can only decide on specific vessels. 

 

Please be aware that these figures don't tell you the whole story. I didn't went into the why questions because in my opinion that is not suited in a analyses of figures. The vessels don't have to balanced 100% on tier. A bad ship in a tech tree can be compensated by a good ship in the same tech tree. So not every vessel needs to have the same winrate and average experience. The average Winrate and experience in the total various techtrees shoud not vary a lot.

 

 

 

 

Nice analysis Leluk, I agree the lack of a 'true' source for these figures could mean it is totally made up! But, as we have access to very little else all we can do is use it. Regarding your analysis I agree and I think most people would say that tiers 3-6 are the more balanced tiers (excepting the lower tier CV's but then again low tier BB's have very little AA). The issues people have are the higher tiers 6-10 where people start to learn how to play their craft and feel the game is hamstringing them or handing them loot patina's depending on what they are playing.

[Blue_Bug]

 

Nice analysis Leluk, I agree the lack of a 'true' source for these figures could mean it is totally made up! But, as we have access to very little else all we can do is use it. Regarding your analysis I agree and I think most people would say that tiers 3-6 are the more balanced tiers (excepting the lower tier CV's but then again low tier BB's have very little AA). The issues people have are the higher tiers 6-10 where people start to learn how to play their craft and feel the game is hamstringing them or handing them loot patina's depending on what they are playing.

 

Thank you for your nice words.

 

I didn't take tier 7-10 into the analyses because there are to few batles to tell something about it. Some vessels don't have even 1000 batles played. In total there are 19 mln batles played. Of this 19 mln only 732.000 are played on tier 7-10. So this is to litle to make these kind of conclusions of that tiers.

[Isitari]

 

Thank you for your nice words.

 

I didn't take tier 7-10 into the analyses because there are to few batles to tell something about it. Some vessels don't have even 1000 batles played. In total there are 19 mln batles played. Of this 19 mln only 732.000 are played on tier 7-10. So this is to litle to make these kind of conclusions of that tiers.

 

Yeah small sample sizes suck! :/ Hopefully we get more data as people reach higher tiers.

[22cm]

 

You can't say that a specific class is UP or OP. In general the IJN BB's and the US CV could need a buff. The economic profit of CV's are favourable the economic profit for DD's is bad.

 

 

 

+1 for the analysis. But yes, you can clearly say CVs are OP when you check their average XP gain. WR does not count as much because this is a team game, and the teamwork is non-existent...

[Dominico]

So we can see the best ship in the game is Hashidate and the worse Shimakaze!

 

P's this a says to me there should be some sort of spotting bonus specifically for dds and maybe cruisers? Definitely for destroyers though.

[specialkha]

I took a closer look at the figures and they are rather quite informative. The most important question is how reliable these figures are. As far I can see, we have no information about the source. Also we have to take into account the learning effect. We don't know how these figures changed in time. It could be that because of that people learn to handle the ship correctly the figures will change in future.

 

At this time we have nothing better, so I will make some conclusion based on these figures. I looked at the average figures for tier 3-6. I don't think that there is already enough data to speak of higher tiers. 

 

General conclusions :

In general we can say that the CA's are performing well. The US BB's are performing just above average. While the  IJN BB's are underperforming. The bigest surpise are the CV's and de DD's.  The CV's have an average winrate of 45,54% This is the lowest of all classes. This is due to the Bogue and the Langley. The IJN CV's are doing very well with an average of 48,35 % winrate. The experience of the CV's are far above average.

 

The DD's are doing beter as I expected. Where IJN DD's are doing just a bit better as the US DD's. The US DD's are doing just a bit 0,1 % better as the average. The IJN DD's are doing 1,5% better as the total average. For experience you don't have to play DD's. The average experience on a DD is far below average.

 

Another importantant figure is that CV's is the least played class. In the case we look at the combination of Class and Nation, The US CV is hardly played. The US DD is also hardly played. There where just above 700.000 US DD batles agains 3 mln IJN DD batles.

 

Looking closer a Tier : 

 

Tier 3 : This tier is quite well Balanced. The St Louis and (a bit Less) the Wakatake seems to be OP. The Wickes is doing badly. DD's are earning very low ex if you compare this to the other vessels.

Tier 4 : On this tier is the Wyoming (US BB) the best performing vessel (I excluded the iwakiAlpha). Directly followed by the Clemson (US DD). Interesting is that the winrate of the clemson is better as the winrate of the Isokaze (IJN DD), but the average experience on the Isokaze is better as the experience on the Clemson. The DD's are performing the best on this tier (if you look at winrate) , followed by CA-BB and last the CV.

 

The average experience shows a total different picture. In that case the sequence is CV-CA-BB-DD.

 

Tier 5 : The best performing class is the DD (on Winrate). That is not very surprising with the best DD's from IJN and US on this tier (personel opinion). The best performing vessel is the Zuiho (IJN CV) directly followed by the Omaha (US CA). The worst vessel is the Bogue. The US BB is performing just below average.

 

Tier 6:Maybe the most surprising tier of all. Best Class CV-CA-DD-BB on winrate. On experience : CV-CA-BB-DD. Best Vessel : Ryujo (IJN CV) followed by Cleveland (US CA). Worst vessel Mutsuki (IJN DD) (Warspite as premium excluded) followed by the Indendence (US CV). However the cleveland has a better winrate as the Aoba (IJN CA), the Aoba has a far better average experience.

 

The Farragut does better as expected, this might be influenced because only 27.000 batles where played with this vessel.

 

Final conclusions pure based on figures :

You can't say that a specific class is UP or OP. In general the IJN BB's and the US CV could need a buff. The economic profit of CV's are favourable the economic profit for DD's is bad. For the rest you can only decide on specific vessels. 

 

Please be aware that these figures don't tell you the whole story. I didn't went into the why questions because in my opinion that is not suited in a analyses of figures. The vessels don't have to balanced 100% on tier. A bad ship in a tech tree can be compensated by a good ship in the same tech tree. So not every vessel needs to have the same winrate and average experience. The average Winrate and experience in the total various techtrees shoud not vary a lot.

 

 

 

 

Next time analize the top 10% players (which actually know to play the game).

[Snolle_bollekes]

i think your stats are a little bit off there, skipper. almost all show a win rate of below 50% for all players. that cant be right. i mean, surely people arnt that incompetent that their losses even tward logic, right?

[YukiEiriKun]

i think your stats are a little bit off there, skipper. almost all show a win rate of below 50% for all players. that cant be right. i mean, surely people arnt that incompetent that their losses even tward logic, right?

 

Yeah, something is wrong.

I'm a scrub, but still I have a winrate of 54,3% and only 2,5% draws which leaves 43,2% defeats.

 

BUT.

 

But I've seen similar stats from the AsiaPacific-server before .. for some reason the winrates are very low for all. So there may be an error with the way they are gathered.

And thus, none of those numbers are reliable. As interesting they are. (I like stats) :-/

 

*****EDIT*****

Then again, if you look at the winrates of the top 10% ...

I don't know..

[Dominico]

i think your stats are a little bit off there, skipper. almost all show a win rate of below 50% for all players. that cant be right. i mean, surely people arnt that incompetent that their losses even tward logic, right?

 

 

 

They will be correct, most people will have a winrate of around 45-48% roughly, because of the games they draw. A few people who play religiously and learn the maps and ships will  have very high winrates which takes some away from these other people. Average wins will be below 50% for the majority of people.

 

Basically if you are above 50% you are very good, and in the 60% upwards you play op ships or work in squads or seal club to stat pad. (which is why some of the best win rates are in low end ships)

[LilJumpa]

i think your stats are a little bit off there, skipper. almost all show a win rate of below 50% for all players. that cant be right. i mean, surely people arnt that incompetent that their losses even tward logic, right?

 

Not sure what you're talking about, but it has nothing to do with logic.

 

In Wot the average winrate for the different servers is about  48%, due to the fact that in WoT the drawrate is ~2%

 

Here in WoWs the draw rate is much higher, especially in higher Tiers where the Hitpoints go up and people play more cautiously. My guess is 8-10% draws at the moment, since only in domination mode there are no draws.

So we will end up with a server winrate of ~42%

 

 

@Topic

These stats are from the Asia Server btw.

 

 

[mtm78]

 

 

 

They will be correct, most people will have a winrate of around 45-48% roughly, because of the games they draw. A few people who play religiously and learn the maps and ships will  have very high winrates which takes some away from these other people. Average wins will be below 50% for the majority of people.

 

Basically if you are above 50% you are very good, and in the 60% upwards you play op ships or work in squads or seal club to stat pad. (which is why some of the best win rates are in low end ships)

 

I see Umi is a stronk stetpedder... glad I bought it back!

[daki]

Nice find +1

Some general observations (based on WR):

- Most of the ships seem pretty well balanced

- Top 10% data debunks the myth of "great" players who have low winrates just because of MM, bad teams... or any WG conspiracy theory, or the myth that good players do not have a significant impact on the chances to win.

- Total data shows CVs  having rather similar win stats to other classes (with maybe IJN CVs slightly better but still below 50%). The picture does change when looking at top 10% players since there seems to be a strong "skill scaling" i.e. CVs perform very well in good hands and quite badly for weaker players - which is not necessarily a bad thing or a sign that the class is broken taking into account that top players as defined in the table only constitute 10% of population. Similar scaling can be seen for example in case of Omaha class ships (incl. Murmansk).

- High tier premiums (T7+) as easy or OP ships: Not at all since even top 10% seem to struggle with them (compared to a lot of other non premium ships), not to mention total averages which are even below 40% winrate. Totals also clearly show how it is a very bad idea to play them without enough experience

 

This should be a "pinned" thread and a mandatory read for people before they start posting their subjective opinions as "facts".

 

[Axxendal]

I dislike the way the site/data gatherer ranks players. You can see it under "parameters" on the homepage. 75% of the score is from WR. For BBs damage done is only 10% of the score, and for CAs damage is weighted equally with kills! Stupid. So while the numbers for all players are fine, I think his "top 10%" player numbers are all screwed up. Like, the 3rd "best" Cleveland player, according to his scoring method, averages 26k damage. Carried much?