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Here is a recent trawl of stats (I found this via another forum), thought it might interest people:

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20150728a/statistics.html#ship_exp


Average Score for Ships (all players) [ at 2015/07/28 ]
nation class tier name players total battles average of rates
battles win experience damage
coused
warship
destroyed
aircraft
destoryed
base
capture
base
defense
point
JP BB 3 Kawachi 89200 1102057 12.35 47.62 537 16910 0.61 0.05 1.20 6.09 20374
JP BB 4 Ishizuchi 2806 30813 10.98 45.76 612 20417 0.53 0.17 0.78 4.29 16652
JP BB 4 Myogi 59055 1406910 23.82 44.39 561 18549 0.42 0.46 0.84 3.90 23898
JP BB 5 Kongo 16909 524293 31.01 44.09 740 27831 0.59 0.99 0.82 4.37 25862
JP BB 6 Fuso 3486 155582 44.63 44.42 949 37724 0.75 1.12 0.86 4.53 29243
JP BB 7 Nagato 964 46917 48.67 42.36 1225 38476 0.62 1.89 0.80 4.16 29073
JP BB 8 Amagi 266 17437 65.55 43.51 1343 48729 0.72 4.46 0.93 4.44 32376
JP BB 9 Izumo 48 2631 54.81 35.87 1305 48073 0.64 4.35 0.50 5.75 26400
JP BB 10 Yamato 35 2489 71.11 37.92 1806 69499 0.92 8.43 0.48 4.63 32495
JP CA 1 Hashidate 110264 298993 2.71 53.41 509 12064 0.85 0.02 1.37 11.30 7886
JP CA 2 Chikuma 149455 858285 5.74 50.37 433 13188 0.54 0.00 0.91 8.44 13303
JP CA 3 Tenryu 122313 1424673 11.65 47.94 556 16939 0.63 0.04 0.85 7.11 18889
JP CA 4 IwakiAlpha 1130 10606 9.39 51.79 749 24500 0.86 0.94 1.18 7.48 15841
JP CA 4 Kuma 56793 1152373 20.29 47.67 659 22136 0.67 0.29 0.90 6.99 23233
JP CA 4 Yubari 10399 86294 8.30 44.68 657 15325 0.47 1.49 0.81 6.00 12477
JP CA 5 Furutaka 21154 525994 24.86 42.73 583 17063 0.46 0.38 0.95 5.23 20987
JP CA 6 Aoba 5088 183983 36.16 44.83 1118 29193 0.76 2.63 1.43 7.19 26860
JP CA 7 Myoko 1631 74293 45.55 46.54 1314 38450 0.86 3.07 1.33 7.40 29689
JP CA 8 Atago 5316 109810 20.66 39.72 972 24803 0.45 2.24 0.89 5.83 18180
JP CA 8 Mogami 535 29582 55.29 47.26 1420 46192 0.91 3.22 1.45 9.38 31047
JP CA 9 Ibuki 94 4824 51.32 38.62 1301 40687 0.73 4.23 0.91 8.43 25895
JP CA 10 Zao 34 1530 45.00 41.86 1716 63513 1.04 4.71 0.76 10.68 29417
JP CV 4 Hosho 27063 490097 18.11 47.04 811 37796 0.87 6.18 0.28 2.24 23663
JP CV 5 Zuiho 11884 294554 24.79 49.23 1124 50614 1.14 6.99 0.27 4.51 27407
JP CV 6 Ryujo 3912 126711 32.39 48.79 1438 61103 1.32 5.63 0.29 6.34 29889
JP CV 7 Hiryu 1455 56387 38.75 47.36 1779 60801 1.18 15.91 0.40 6.53 31922
JP CV 8 Shokaku 445 22486 50.53 44.92 2004 69642 1.28 15.34 0.33 7.87 32431
JP CV 9 Taiho 144 8142 56.54 46.98 2351 78193 1.47 27.37 0.34 8.50 36555
JP CV 10 Hakuryu 48 3276 68.25 48.26 2619 95959 1.62 24.45 0.52 8.81 38351
JP DD 2 Umikaze 97464 585279 6.01 50.40 458 11748 0.63 0.00 0.96 3.78 13999
JP DD 3 Wakatake 73893 828948 11.22 48.85 502 14150 0.62 0.02 1.04 2.76 19977
JP DD 4 Isokaze 43616 846046 19.40 47.31 629 18732 0.69 0.08 1.46 2.40 24484
JP DD 5 Minekaze 17828 578660 32.46 47.60 804 27619 0.91 0.12 1.99 2.54 29530
JP DD 6 Mutsuki 4655 176281 37.87 42.77 800 19788 0.56 0.55 2.39 2.43 26887
JP DD 7 Hatsuharu 1000 45812 45.81 43.22 1011 21200 0.55 0.66 2.59 4.30 29330
JP DD 8 Fubuki 255 14253 55.89 41.50 1175 26110 0.59 0.65 3.48 4.65 30865
JP DD 9 Kagero 45 2780 61.78 38.00 1272 34862 0.60 0.52 3.85 5.67 30041
JP DD 10 Shimakaze 21 902 42.95 37.77 1338 41826 0.65 0.68 4.54 4.87 31634
RN BB 6 Warspite 2710 40959 15.11 42.04 877 27699 0.54 2.29 0.75 3.94 18064
SN CA 3 Aurora 722 7815 10.82 47.99 624 17696 0.61 0.00 1.05 8.89 16821
SN CA 5 Murmansk 3199 77357 24.18 45.38 902 27262 0.73 1.40 0.90 8.14 22741
SN DD 5 Gremyashchy 5350 70067 13.10 45.35 834 19474 0.66 0.34 1.32 5.30 17009
US BB 3 SouthCarolina 55920 702843 12.57 47.73 522 19273 0.63 0.02 1.09 7.24 20543
US BB 4 ArkansasBeta 24045 152855 6.36 47.80 721 26261 0.68 0.00 1.03 6.01 12465
US BB 4 Wyoming 32490 707047 21.76 48.28 712 28549 0.73 0.47 1.03 6.25 26332
US BB 5 NewYork 9982 297597 29.81 45.49 808 31180 0.70 0.75 0.86 5.36 26757
US BB 6 NewMexico 3050 143251 46.97 44.90 1100 39597 0.80 1.32 0.93 5.27 30908
US BB 7 Colorado 1014 54913 54.15 40.82 1128 35762 0.56 2.83 0.77 4.26 28873
US BB 8 NorthCarolina 440 26479 60.18 42.07 1538 51434 0.76 7.50 0.83 5.03 33212
US BB 9 Iowa 105 7005 66.71 46.12 1756 68066 1.01 8.05 1.20 5.94 36575
US BB 10 Montana 31 1002 32.32 42.37 1793 67140 0.95 11.00 1.56 4.96 27995
US CA 1 Erie 96366 236004 2.45 50.65 433 10768 0.68 0.01 0.99 9.93 6948
US CA 2 Albany 1 1 1.00 0.00 41 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 273
US CA 2 Chester 107204 521961 4.87 48.19 441 10254 0.42 0.00 0.84 9.29 11615
US CA 3 St.Louis 87888 1044797 11.89 49.80 526 19396 0.70 0.00 1.13 10.43 20292
US CA 4 Phoenix 39959 675435 16.90 46.03 666 18380 0.54 0.15 0.82 7.08 21270
US CA 5 Omaha 18088 533335 29.49 48.45 923 30225 0.91 1.39 1.16 9.37 27836
US CA 6 Cleveland 8435 313027 37.11 45.73 970 31814 0.86 4.11 1.35 9.09 28088
US CA 7 Atlanta 2865 58699 20.49 39.40 952 19521 0.51 3.37 0.96 6.02 19062
US CA 7 Pensacola 1343 51350 38.24 42.54 1111 25643 0.57 4.14 1.20 6.94 25390
US CA 8 NewOrleans 311 13908 44.72 42.80 1311 30526 0.61 6.73 1.56 8.21 26776
US CA 9 Baltimore 68 3202 47.09 38.13 1425 31339 0.60 7.79 1.28 9.98 25062
US CA 10 DesMoines 35 1098 31.37 41.70 1423 46267 0.81 6.94 2.73 11.68 24423
US CV 4 Langley 14917 266973 17.90 42.41 683 23463 0.47 10.31 0.11 1.24 20940
US CV 5 Bogue 5408 136180 25.18 41.79 863 26068 0.50 14.79 0.11 2.69 23613
US CV 6 Independence 1379 46386 33.64 43.95 1234 45270 0.84 11.75 0.46 4.84 27528
US CV 7 Ranger 430 21056 48.97 41.69 1388 50359 0.85 20.32 0.31 5.60 30867
US CV 8 Lexington 156 7161 45.90 41.42 1555 51057 0.80 34.83 0.34 4.09 30859
US CV 9 Essex 36 2466 68.50 44.71 1863 80638 1.47 24.34 0.35 6.35 36686
US CV 10 Midway 15 839 55.93 43.00 2447 90910 1.44 24.75 0.72 5.91 33645
US DD 2 Sampson 40829 204236 5.00 48.28 414 9675 0.54 0.00 0.71 5.22 12072
US DD 3 Wickes 24279 242494 9.99 46.27 461 9992 0.44 0.01 0.74 3.98 17252
US DD 4 Clemson 9547 162047 16.97 48.03 599 17152 0.70 0.02 1.18 4.44 23370
US DD 5 Nicholas 3252 83272 25.61 46.04 867 21115 0.79 0.35 1.44 6.23 26874
US DD 6 Farragut 814 26905 33.05 45.71 995 21541 0.75 0.57 2.32 7.08 28502
US DD 7 Mahan 157 7005 44.62 45.41 1110 20396 0.69 0.52 2.50 7.38 30099
US DD 7 Sims 3312 29557 8.92 39.60 801 12494 0.35 0.27 1.35 4.87 12607
US DD 8 Benson 37 1813 49.00 44.48 1250 23046 0.67 0.47 4.86 8.69 31387
US DD 9 Fletcher 10 647 64.70 44.13 1312 34380 0.87 1.19 4.39 10.22 40110
US DD 10 Gearing 4 206 51.50 48.97 1738 45213 0.88 1.82 3.80 12.19 43709


 
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Part 2:

 

Average Score for Ships (top 10% expert players) [ at 2015/07/28 ]

nation class tier name players total battles average of rates
battles win experience damage
coused
warship
destroyed
aircraft
destoryed
base
capture
base
defense
point
JP BB 3 Kawachi 8920 160480 17.99 66.98 616 19429 0.75 0.05 1.88 7.13 34902
JP BB 4 Ishizuchi 281 8460 30.11 58.76 761 24128 0.70 0.19 1.29 5.47 34846
JP BB 4 Myogi 5906 222895 37.74 58.44 706 23758 0.57 0.74 1.24 4.81 38614
JP BB 5 Kongo 1691 98702 58.37 57.35 1056 40894 0.92 1.96 1.30 5.68 43487
JP BB 6 Fuso 349 24975 71.56 57.13 1332 54008 1.10 1.80 1.30 5.89 46140
JP BB 7 Nagato 97 7966 82.12 52.86 1666 54410 0.91 3.30 1.07 5.24 44987
JP BB 8 Amagi 27 3335 123.52 52.48 1770 66185 1.03 7.84 1.22 5.92 48779
JP BB 9 Izumo 5 438 87.60 50.79 1856 69867 0.89 7.29 1.05 8.18 45670
JP BB 10 Yamato 4 846 211.50 58.74 2637 106276 1.46 10.16 1.36 6.80 59654
JP CA 1 Hashidate 11027 93019 8.44 71.36 561 12716 0.96 0.01 2.19 11.77 22050
JP CA 2 Chikuma 14946 170491 11.41 70.34 471 14136 0.61 0.00 1.69 9.06 27427
JP CA 3 Tenryu 12232 237529 19.42 65.98 663 19899 0.78 0.04 1.67 8.92 33621
JP CA 4 IwakiAlpha 113 3824 33.84 65.22 1047 33902 1.20 1.22 2.26 10.55 39584
JP CA 4 Kuma 5680 199619 35.14 62.78 838 28160 0.91 0.40 1.74 9.48 38696
JP CA 4 Yubari 1040 33295 32.01 57.58 916 22302 0.76 2.23 1.72 8.97 33629
JP CA 5 Furutaka 2116 100723 47.60 55.49 780 23222 0.68 0.52 1.73 7.19 37061
JP CA 6 Aoba 509 27771 54.56 58.01 1437 37100 1.04 3.79 2.40 9.39 41934
JP CA 7 Myoko 164 11009 67.13 58.94 1670 49317 1.15 4.36 2.25 9.64 44873
JP CA 8 Atago 532 29713 55.85 52.36 1342 34981 0.70 2.79 1.62 8.27 35681
JP CA 8 Mogami 54 5155 95.46 59.43 1805 61331 1.28 4.49 2.29 11.82 46588
JP CA 9 Ibuki 10 929 92.90 52.14 1579 51674 0.89 4.62 1.66 10.61 42122
JP CA 10 Zao 4 514 128.50 64.58 2254 81806 1.38 4.89 1.56 14.80 52580
JP CV 4 Hosho 2707 78574 29.03 65.81 1061 49604 1.25 7.58 0.49 3.05 40508
JP CV 5 Zuiho 1189 51858 43.61 65.73 1511 66901 1.73 7.29 0.55 5.82 45739
JP CV 6 Ryujo 392 18661 47.60 66.39 1963 82266 2.00 5.43 0.62 7.72 48170
JP CV 7 Hiryu 146 8929 61.16 61.85 2278 78400 1.71 18.97 0.71 8.65 49918
JP CV 8 Shokaku 45 3476 77.24 60.02 2581 91328 1.90 15.90 0.69 9.87 50448
JP CV 9 Taiho 15 1476 98.40 65.68 2983 107744 2.22 26.31 0.44 10.33 58836
JP CV 10 Hakuryu 5 1002 200.40 71.01 3216 119557 2.25 23.53 0.64 11.21 65773
JP DD 2 Umikaze 9747 146521 15.03 68.11 549 14268 0.78 0.00 2.10 4.45 30058
JP DD 3 Wakatake 7390 129981 17.59 67.58 590 16824 0.78 0.02 2.38 3.39 34595
JP DD 4 Isokaze 4362 131045 30.04 63.01 844 26390 1.01 0.10 3.29 3.31 41164
JP DD 5 Minekaze 1783 107492 60.29 60.22 1089 38146 1.26 0.15 4.11 3.93 47935
JP DD 6 Mutsuki 466 29940 64.25 54.37 1094 28317 0.81 0.90 4.87 3.64 44293
JP DD 7 Hatsuharu 100 8442 84.42 52.92 1293 27182 0.73 1.03 4.67 5.78 45456
JP DD 8 Fubuki 26 2482 95.46 51.51 1538 35077 0.87 0.93 5.83 5.84 46407
JP DD 9 Kagero 5 417 83.40 51.85 1761 48744 0.94 0.53 8.70 6.34 49895
JP DD 10 Shimakaze 3 188 62.67 53.53 1731 59570 0.91 1.15 3.10 2.20 46075
RN BB 6 Warspite 271 13046 48.14 53.56 1231 40886 0.83 2.79 1.36 5.09 38709
SN CA 3 Aurora 73 2435 33.36 60.95 860 24326 0.91 0.00 1.43 13.62 36412
SN CA 5 Murmansk 320 19534 61.04 61.79 1342 41545 1.23 1.76 1.74 12.21 43225
SN DD 5 Gremyashchy 535 28123 52.57 57.81 1234 31266 1.12 0.42 3.00 8.61 42915
US BB 3 SouthCarolina 5592 104562 18.70 66.35 606 22390 0.78 0.02 1.64 8.24 35306
US BB 4 ArkansasBeta 2405 62616 26.04 60.68 968 34295 0.96 0.00 1.50 7.35 34653
US BB 4 Wyoming 3249 109346 33.66 62.84 872 35289 0.94 0.68 1.48 7.46 41704
US BB 5 NewYork 999 48835 48.88 58.41 1055 41102 0.95 1.29 1.44 6.39 43015
US BB 6 NewMexico 305 21411 70.20 57.08 1472 53134 1.09 2.48 1.32 6.56 46729
US BB 7 Colorado 102 8204 80.43 52.30 1448 46183 0.76 4.97 1.20 5.52 44086
US BB 8 NorthCarolina 44 4094 93.05 55.01 1988 67103 1.10 11.09 1.59 5.78 49515
US BB 9 Iowa 11 1375 125.00 62.96 2326 87181 1.40 12.38 1.73 5.94 59466
US BB 10 Montana 4 333 83.25 58.17 2372 97702 1.38 11.77 2.37 6.85 50010
US CA 1 Erie 9637 65386 6.78 71.93 479 11000 0.76 0.01 2.40 11.91 18971
US CA 2 Albany 1 1 1.00 0.00 41 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 273
US CA 2 Chester 10721 89877 8.38 72.38 476 10612 0.47 0.00 1.76 9.72 24398
US CA 3 St.Louis 8789 192591 21.91 67.42 672 24623 0.95 0.01 2.00 13.53 36527
US CA 4 Phoenix 3996 104590 26.17 63.76 918 26570 0.83 0.22 1.71 10.27 37062
US CA 5 Omaha 1809 79708 44.06 63.14 1161 38900 1.25 1.85 2.18 12.50 43273
US CA 6 Cleveland 844 56225 66.62 58.88 1278 41181 1.20 5.87 2.29 11.45 44352
US CA 7 Atlanta 287 13948 48.60 52.49 1321 26873 0.77 5.45 1.99 8.55 35652
US CA 7 Pensacola 135 8783 65.06 55.49 1517 36140 0.86 6.27 2.25 9.41 41603
US CA 8 NewOrleans 32 2763 86.34 54.68 1601 38100 0.80 8.91 2.43 11.13 43823
US CA 9 Baltimore 7 713 101.86 52.68 1913 41252 0.90 12.34 2.69 12.76 44682
US CA 10 DesMoines 4 398 99.50 57.78 1862 57970 1.15 10.17 1.36 12.98 46783
US CV 4 Langley 1492 43967 29.47 60.46 914 34163 0.71 12.72 0.19 1.62 37387
US CV 5 Bogue 541 23394 43.24 56.52 1088 35856 0.73 16.96 0.20 3.32 39374
US CV 6 Independence 138 7279 52.75 59.65 1687 68036 1.37 13.67 0.78 6.29 45047
US CV 7 Ranger 43 2849 66.26 54.73 1792 69230 1.28 22.38 0.51 5.56 45226
US CV 8 Lexington 16 1340 83.75 53.79 1921 67263 1.22 40.45 0.94 5.59 48486
US CV 9 Essex 4 388 97.00 65.76 2612 124653 2.54 21.68 0.53 9.10 59065
US CV 10 Midway 2 435 217.50 66.43 3227 127850 2.31 22.00 1.11 10.73 61660
US DD 2 Sampson 4083 41671 10.21 69.20 442 10156 0.59 0.00 1.44 5.77 25668
US DD 3 Wickes 2428 40615 16.73 64.73 547 11911 0.56 0.01 1.75 5.12 32074
US DD 4 Clemson 955 26486 27.73 64.60 830 24078 1.03 0.02 2.82 7.13 41099
US DD 5 Nicholas 326 13645 41.86 60.28 1146 28356 1.15 0.51 3.17 8.59 44374
US DD 6 Farragut 82 4688 57.17 56.94 1285 27353 1.00 0.64 4.72 9.11 45712
US DD 7 Mahan 16 1165 72.81 57.30 1462 29147 0.95 0.83 4.55 10.06 47588
US DD 7 Sims 332 10761 32.41 52.08 1106 17784 0.56 0.28 3.03 6.64 32749
US DD 8 Benson 4 355 88.75 51.51 1585 33791 1.07 0.50 6.92 8.42 48055
US DD 9 Fletcher 1 143 143.00 56.64 1561 41143 1.06 2.14 6.01 9.22 56050
US DD 10 Gearing 1 46 46.00 69.57 2082 58503 1.15 1.85 7.30 11.15 60412
 

 

Interesting stuff to take from this:

 

DD's are doing terribly (especially at higher tiers and even more so for IJN DD's)

CV's at high skill level and average are doing far far better than the other classes.

BB's seem pretty healthy overall.

 

Anything else anyone can see in there?

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Well at first glance I would say the first chart does not make any sense what so ever.

Just how do you explain "average" win rates for "all" players for nearly every ship well below 50%....does not compute.

 

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Well at first glance I would say the first chart does not make any sense what so ever.

Just how do you explain "average" win rates for "all" players for nearly every ship well below 50%....does not compute.

 

 

Draws :P

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Overall, you would want to see a simple progression of damage from tier A to tier A+1, not necessarily linear as some good/great ships makes things a bit more interesting.

 

Looking at the ship lines:

- USN CA balance is complete nonsense.  The St Louis/Phoenix are messed up, as are the Omaha/Cleveland... and then things get silly.

- IJN CAs progress well, with the exception of the Furutaka.

- DDs flatline at T5.

- USN BBs progress well, with the exception of the Colorado.

- IJN BBs have issues with the Myogi and everything after the Fuso.

- CVs are crazy.

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All we can hope is that WG actually use these stats to help balance stuff, because at the moment some stuff is absolutely ridiculous...

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Interesting stuff thanks +1

 

Oh, and I note only one poor soul playing the Albany ... but he/she is in the top 10% though!   :amazed:

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High lvl DDs get nerfed because of the IJN CV spam. There are way too many planes in the air spotting the DD. This causes DD to launch torps at long ranges and that means no torp hits. Especially since BB at the lvl go 30kts+. I would love a torp speed/reload buff TBH.

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This is where submarine warfare would have kicked in vs higher tier ships and the DD became an anti-air "Flak Wagon" and anti-sub nightmare.


 

But I see Submarine warfare was discounted in this game so I can understand why you have players saying how pointless DDs get after a certain tier given what people are saying of higher tier gameplay with the other ship roles and their current build.


 

Shame these Devs did not know how to make Sub Warfare fun in this game compared to other naval comp games; it is a missing element. :rolleyes:


 

It can also point out I suspect the size of the actual playing field has a lot to do with how playing different ships and their respective role paradigm perform too.  I know of a game being developed in the Ukraine for 18th century naval warfare with huge maps that really make a BIG difference and they are absolutely beautiful to boot with some spectacular weather effects.   How you make use of that space with your fellow Captains, with what ship you have can make for some very interesting challenges.  Lets hope there is a lot more to look forward to as the game gets developed further.

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This is where submarine warfare would have kicked in vs higher tier ships and the DD became an anti-air "Flak Wagon" and anti-sub nightmare.

 

 

But I see Submarine warfare was discounted in this game so I can understand why you have players saying how pointless DDs get after a certain tier given what people are saying of higher tier gameplay with the other ship roles and their current build.

 

 

Shame these Devs did not know how to make Sub Warfare fun in this game compared to other naval comp games; it is a missing element. :rolleyes:

 

 

It can also point out I suspect the size of the actual playing field has a lot to do with how playing different ships and their respective role paradigm perform too.  I know of a game being developed in the Ukraine for 18th century naval warfare with huge maps that really make a BIG difference and they are absolutely beautiful to boot with some spectacular weather effects.   How you make use of that space with your fellow Captains, with what ship you have can make for some very interesting challenges.  Lets hope there is a lot more to look forward to as the game gets developed further.

 

Unfortunatly comparing any WG game to real life is totally pointless, it's an arcade through and through so they need to balance as such. Either that or I want nearly unspottable 40km range torps... :P (yeah thats a joke before people start kicking off)

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I took a closer look at the figures and they are rather quite informative. The most important question is how reliable these figures are. As far I can see, we have no information about the source. Also we have to take into account the learning effect. We don't know how these figures changed in time. It could be that because of that people learn to handle the ship correctly the figures will change in future.

 

At this time we have nothing better, so I will make some conclusion based on these figures. I looked at the average figures for tier 3-6. I don't think that there is already enough data to speak of higher tiers. 

 

General conclusions :

In general we can say that the CA's are performing well. The US BB's are performing just above average. While the  IJN BB's are underperforming. The bigest surpise are the CV's and de DD's.  The CV's have an average winrate of 45,54% This is the lowest of all classes. This is due to the Bogue and the Langley. The IJN CV's are doing very well with an average of 48,35 % winrate. The experience of the CV's are far above average.

 

The DD's are doing beter as I expected. Where IJN DD's are doing just a bit better as the US DD's. The US DD's are doing just a bit 0,1 % better as the average. The IJN DD's are doing 1,5% better as the total average. For experience you don't have to play DD's. The average experience on a DD is far below average.

 

Another importantant figure is that CV's is the least played class. In the case we look at the combination of Class and Nation, The US CV is hardly played. The US DD is also hardly played. There where just above 700.000 US DD batles agains 3 mln IJN DD batles.

 

Looking closer a Tier : 

 

Tier 3 : This tier is quite well Balanced. The St Louis and (a bit Less) the Wakatake seems to be OP. The Wickes is doing badly. DD's are earning very low ex if you compare this to the other vessels.

Tier 4 : On this tier is the Wyoming (US BB) the best performing vessel (I excluded the iwakiAlpha). Directly followed by the Clemson (US DD). Interesting is that the winrate of the clemson is better as the winrate of the Isokaze (IJN DD), but the average experience on the Isokaze is better as the experience on the Clemson. The DD's are performing the best on this tier (if you look at winrate) , followed by CA-BB and last the CV.

 

The average experience shows a total different picture. In that case the sequence is CV-CA-BB-DD.

 

Tier 5 : The best performing class is the DD (on Winrate). That is not very surprising with the best DD's from IJN and US on this tier (personel opinion). The best performing vessel is the Zuiho (IJN CV) directly followed by the Omaha (US CA). The worst vessel is the Bogue. The US BB is performing just below average.

 

Tier 6:Maybe the most surprising tier of all. Best Class CV-CA-DD-BB on winrate. On experience : CV-CA-BB-DD. Best Vessel : Ryujo (IJN CV) followed by Cleveland (US CA). Worst vessel Mutsuki (IJN DD) (Warspite as premium excluded) followed by the Indendence (US CV). However the cleveland has a better winrate as the Aoba (IJN CA), the Aoba has a far better average experience.

 

The Farragut does better as expected, this might be influenced because only 27.000 batles where played with this vessel.

 

Final conclusions pure based on figures :

You can't say that a specific class is UP or OP. In general the IJN BB's and the US CV could need a buff. The economic profit of CV's are favourable the economic profit for DD's is bad. For the rest you can only decide on specific vessels. 

 

Please be aware that these figures don't tell you the whole story. I didn't went into the why questions because in my opinion that is not suited in a analyses of figures. The vessels don't have to balanced 100% on tier. A bad ship in a tech tree can be compensated by a good ship in the same tech tree. So not every vessel needs to have the same winrate and average experience. The average Winrate and experience in the total various techtrees shoud not vary a lot.

 

 

 

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I took a closer look at the figures and they are rather quite informative. The most important question is how reliable these figures are. As far I can see, we have no information about the source. Also we have to take into account the learning effect. We don't know how these figures changed in time. It could be that because of that people learn to handle the ship correctly the figures will change in future.

 

At this time we have nothing better, so I will make some conclusion based on these figures. I looked at the average figures for tier 3-6. I don't think that there is already enough data to speak of higher tiers. 

 

General conclusions :

In general we can say that the CA's are performing well. The US BB's are performing just above average. While the  IJN BB's are underperforming. The bigest surpise are the CV's and de DD's.  The CV's have an average winrate of 45,54% This is the lowest of all classes. This is due to the Bogue and the Langley. The IJN CV's are doing very well with an average of 48,35 % winrate. The experience of the CV's are far above average.

 

The DD's are doing beter as I expected. Where IJN DD's are doing just a bit better as the US DD's. The US DD's are doing just a bit 0,1 % better as the average. The IJN DD's are doing 1,5% better as the total average. For experience you don't have to play DD's. The average experience on a DD is far below average.

 

Another importantant figure is that CV's is the least played class. In the case we look at the combination of Class and Nation, The US CV is hardly played. The US DD is also hardly played. There where just above 700.000 US DD batles agains 3 mln IJN DD batles.

 

Looking closer a Tier : 

 

Tier 3 : This tier is quite well Balanced. The St Louis and (a bit Less) the Wakatake seems to be OP. The Wickes is doing badly. DD's are earning very low ex if you compare this to the other vessels.

Tier 4 : On this tier is the Wyoming (US BB) the best performing vessel (I excluded the iwakiAlpha). Directly followed by the Clemson (US DD). Interesting is that the winrate of the clemson is better as the winrate of the Isokaze (IJN DD), but the average experience on the Isokaze is better as the experience on the Clemson. The DD's are performing the best on this tier (if you look at winrate) , followed by CA-BB and last the CV.

 

The average experience shows a total different picture. In that case the sequence is CV-CA-BB-DD.

 

Tier 5 : The best performing class is the DD (on Winrate). That is not very surprising with the best DD's from IJN and US on this tier (personel opinion). The best performing vessel is the Zuiho (IJN CV) directly followed by the Omaha (US CA). The worst vessel is the Bogue. The US BB is performing just below average.

 

Tier 6:Maybe the most surprising tier of all. Best Class CV-CA-DD-BB on winrate. On experience : CV-CA-BB-DD. Best Vessel : Ryujo (IJN CV) followed by Cleveland (US CA). Worst vessel Mutsuki (IJN DD) (Warspite as premium excluded) followed by the Indendence (US CV). However the cleveland has a better winrate as the Aoba (IJN CA), the Aoba has a far better average experience.

 

The Farragut does better as expected, this might be influenced because only 27.000 batles where played with this vessel.

 

Final conclusions pure based on figures :

You can't say that a specific class is UP or OP. In general the IJN BB's and the US CV could need a buff. The economic profit of CV's are favourable the economic profit for DD's is bad. For the rest you can only decide on specific vessels. 

 

Please be aware that these figures don't tell you the whole story. I didn't went into the why questions because in my opinion that is not suited in a analyses of figures. The vessels don't have to balanced 100% on tier. A bad ship in a tech tree can be compensated by a good ship in the same tech tree. So not every vessel needs to have the same winrate and average experience. The average Winrate and experience in the total various techtrees shoud not vary a lot.

 

 

 

 

Nice analysis Leluk, I agree the lack of a 'true' source for these figures could mean it is totally made up! But, as we have access to very little else all we can do is use it. Regarding your analysis I agree and I think most people would say that tiers 3-6 are the more balanced tiers (excepting the lower tier CV's but then again low tier BB's have very little AA). The issues people have are the higher tiers 6-10 where people start to learn how to play their craft and feel the game is hamstringing them or handing them loot patina's depending on what they are playing.

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Nice analysis Leluk, I agree the lack of a 'true' source for these figures could mean it is totally made up! But, as we have access to very little else all we can do is use it. Regarding your analysis I agree and I think most people would say that tiers 3-6 are the more balanced tiers (excepting the lower tier CV's but then again low tier BB's have very little AA). The issues people have are the higher tiers 6-10 where people start to learn how to play their craft and feel the game is hamstringing them or handing them loot patina's depending on what they are playing.

 

Thank you for your nice words.

 

I didn't take tier 7-10 into the analyses because there are to few batles to tell something about it. Some vessels don't have even 1000 batles played. In total there are 19 mln batles played. Of this 19 mln only 732.000 are played on tier 7-10. So this is to litle to make these kind of conclusions of that tiers.

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Thank you for your nice words.

 

I didn't take tier 7-10 into the analyses because there are to few batles to tell something about it. Some vessels don't have even 1000 batles played. In total there are 19 mln batles played. Of this 19 mln only 732.000 are played on tier 7-10. So this is to litle to make these kind of conclusions of that tiers.

 

Yeah small sample sizes suck! :/ Hopefully we get more data as people reach higher tiers.

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You can't say that a specific class is UP or OP. In general the IJN BB's and the US CV could need a buff. The economic profit of CV's are favourable the economic profit for DD's is bad.

 

 

 

+1 for the analysis. But yes, you can clearly say CVs are OP when you check their average XP gain. WR does not count as much because this is a team game, and the teamwork is non-existent...

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So we can see the best ship in the game is Hashidate and the worse Shimakaze!

 

P's this a says to me there should be some sort of spotting bonus specifically for dds and maybe cruisers? Definitely for destroyers though.

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I took a closer look at the figures and they are rather quite informative. The most important question is how reliable these figures are. As far I can see, we have no information about the source. Also we have to take into account the learning effect. We don't know how these figures changed in time. It could be that because of that people learn to handle the ship correctly the figures will change in future.

 

At this time we have nothing better, so I will make some conclusion based on these figures. I looked at the average figures for tier 3-6. I don't think that there is already enough data to speak of higher tiers. 

 

General conclusions :

In general we can say that the CA's are performing well. The US BB's are performing just above average. While the  IJN BB's are underperforming. The bigest surpise are the CV's and de DD's.  The CV's have an average winrate of 45,54% This is the lowest of all classes. This is due to the Bogue and the Langley. The IJN CV's are doing very well with an average of 48,35 % winrate. The experience of the CV's are far above average.

 

The DD's are doing beter as I expected. Where IJN DD's are doing just a bit better as the US DD's. The US DD's are doing just a bit 0,1 % better as the average. The IJN DD's are doing 1,5% better as the total average. For experience you don't have to play DD's. The average experience on a DD is far below average.

 

Another importantant figure is that CV's is the least played class. In the case we look at the combination of Class and Nation, The US CV is hardly played. The US DD is also hardly played. There where just above 700.000 US DD batles agains 3 mln IJN DD batles.

 

Looking closer a Tier : 

 

Tier 3 : This tier is quite well Balanced. The St Louis and (a bit Less) the Wakatake seems to be OP. The Wickes is doing badly. DD's are earning very low ex if you compare this to the other vessels.

Tier 4 : On this tier is the Wyoming (US BB) the best performing vessel (I excluded the iwakiAlpha). Directly followed by the Clemson (US DD). Interesting is that the winrate of the clemson is better as the winrate of the Isokaze (IJN DD), but the average experience on the Isokaze is better as the experience on the Clemson. The DD's are performing the best on this tier (if you look at winrate) , followed by CA-BB and last the CV.

 

The average experience shows a total different picture. In that case the sequence is CV-CA-BB-DD.

 

Tier 5 : The best performing class is the DD (on Winrate). That is not very surprising with the best DD's from IJN and US on this tier (personel opinion). The best performing vessel is the Zuiho (IJN CV) directly followed by the Omaha (US CA). The worst vessel is the Bogue. The US BB is performing just below average.

 

Tier 6:Maybe the most surprising tier of all. Best Class CV-CA-DD-BB on winrate. On experience : CV-CA-BB-DD. Best Vessel : Ryujo (IJN CV) followed by Cleveland (US CA). Worst vessel Mutsuki (IJN DD) (Warspite as premium excluded) followed by the Indendence (US CV). However the cleveland has a better winrate as the Aoba (IJN CA), the Aoba has a far better average experience.

 

The Farragut does better as expected, this might be influenced because only 27.000 batles where played with this vessel.

 

Final conclusions pure based on figures :

You can't say that a specific class is UP or OP. In general the IJN BB's and the US CV could need a buff. The economic profit of CV's are favourable the economic profit for DD's is bad. For the rest you can only decide on specific vessels. 

 

Please be aware that these figures don't tell you the whole story. I didn't went into the why questions because in my opinion that is not suited in a analyses of figures. The vessels don't have to balanced 100% on tier. A bad ship in a tech tree can be compensated by a good ship in the same tech tree. So not every vessel needs to have the same winrate and average experience. The average Winrate and experience in the total various techtrees shoud not vary a lot.

 

 

 

 

Next time analize the top 10% players (which actually know to play the game).

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i think your stats are a little bit off there, skipper. almost all show a win rate of below 50% for all players. that cant be right. i mean, surely people arnt that incompetent that their losses even tward logic, right?

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i think your stats are a little bit off there, skipper. almost all show a win rate of below 50% for all players. that cant be right. i mean, surely people arnt that incompetent that their losses even tward logic, right?

 

Yeah, something is wrong.

I'm a scrub, but still I have a winrate of 54,3% and only 2,5% draws which leaves 43,2% defeats.

 

BUT.

 

But I've seen similar stats from the AsiaPacific-server before .. for some reason the winrates are very low for all. So there may be an error with the way they are gathered.

And thus, none of those numbers are reliable. As interesting they are. (I like stats) :-/

 

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Then again, if you look at the winrates of the top 10% ...

I don't know.. :D

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i think your stats are a little bit off there, skipper. almost all show a win rate of below 50% for all players. that cant be right. i mean, surely people arnt that incompetent that their losses even tward logic, right?

 

 

 

They will be correct, most people will have a winrate of around 45-48% roughly, because of the games they draw. A few people who play religiously and learn the maps and ships will  have very high winrates which takes some away from these other people. Average wins will be below 50% for the majority of people.

 

Basically if you are above 50% you are very good, and in the 60% upwards you play op ships or work in squads or seal club to stat pad. (which is why some of the best win rates are in low end ships)

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i think your stats are a little bit off there, skipper. almost all show a win rate of below 50% for all players. that cant be right. i mean, surely people arnt that incompetent that their losses even tward logic, right?

 

Not sure what you're talking about, but it has nothing to do with logic.

 

In Wot the average winrate for the different servers is about  48%, due to the fact that in WoT the drawrate is ~2%

 

Here in WoWs the draw rate is much higher, especially in higher Tiers where the Hitpoints go up and people play more cautiously. My guess is 8-10% draws at the moment, since only in domination mode there are no draws.

So we will end up with a server winrate of ~42%

 

 

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These stats are from the Asia Server btw.

 

 

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They will be correct, most people will have a winrate of around 45-48% roughly, because of the games they draw. A few people who play religiously and learn the maps and ships will  have very high winrates which takes some away from these other people. Average wins will be below 50% for the majority of people.

 

Basically if you are above 50% you are very good, and in the 60% upwards you play op ships or work in squads or seal club to stat pad. (which is why some of the best win rates are in low end ships)

 

I see Umi is a stronk stetpedder... glad I bought it back!

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Nice find +1

Some general observations (based on WR):

- Most of the ships seem pretty well balanced

- Top 10% data debunks the myth of "great" players who have low winrates just because of MM, bad teams... or any WG conspiracy theory, or the myth that good players do not have a significant impact on the chances to win.

- Total data shows CVs  having rather similar win stats to other classes (with maybe IJN CVs slightly better but still below 50%). The picture does change when looking at top 10% players since there seems to be a strong "skill scaling" i.e. CVs perform very well in good hands and quite badly for weaker players - which is not necessarily a bad thing or a sign that the class is broken taking into account that top players as defined in the table only constitute 10% of population. Similar scaling can be seen for example in case of Omaha class ships (incl. Murmansk).

- High tier premiums (T7+) as easy or OP ships: Not at all since even top 10% seem to struggle with them (compared to a lot of other non premium ships), not to mention total averages which are even below 40% winrate. Totals also clearly show how it is a very bad idea to play them without enough experience

 

This should be a "pinned" thread and a mandatory read for people before they start posting their subjective opinions as "facts".

 

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I dislike the way the site/data gatherer ranks players. You can see it under "parameters" on the homepage. 75% of the score is from WR. For BBs damage done is only 10% of the score, and for CAs damage is weighted equally with kills! Stupid. So while the numbers for all players are fine, I think his "top 10%" player numbers are all screwed up. Like, the 3rd "best" Cleveland player, according to his scoring method, averages 26k damage. Carried much?

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