Wargaming EU shop Flags?

[Ollie_Mix_Grill]

I see that RU are able to buy Flags, will this be available to EU? Would nice if we can [depending on price]

https://ru.wargaming.net/shop/wows/signals/

[Nethraniel]

It is atm under testing on RU shop (so they gather data for analysis). We will get it later.

[Querulous]

Hopefully soon

[Trevor_604]

In EU shop today

https://eu.wargaming.net/shop/wows/signals/

[Nethraniel]

Well.. that was a fast Soon^TM

 

[YukiEiriKun]

I would rather see the flags as rewards only. :-/

But I can also understand why they are prone to sell them.

Well .. only useful are +50% XP, +20% credits and somewhat useful -5% repair costs (well for me that is useful since I sink alot )

 

So no real harm done.

 

Except lowering the general "Yay I did good!" feeling from obtaining said flags.

Which is, in my opinion, bad thing. (the lowering of flag reward happyness)

 

[JapLance]

Well.. that was a fast Soon^TM

 

Money money money

[Hanszeehock]

I wonder if anyone is going to work out the comparative cost of average XP/Credit boost using flags to buying gold for conversion ?

 

[MrRibz]

I think it's fine to sell them. (Off topic sorry)

 

If you can't afford them or want to play for free then the game will still be free to play. Most of the flags are to help with the grind and credit farming.

 

People will always complain about being able to purchase digital things but war gaming are a business and that's the bottom line.

 

I've wasted money on wot and regret it to be honest ( player base is disgusting and I hope the try hard mentality stay away for wows )

 

however I really enjoy wows and if I spend £5/10 a month on a game I'm ok with that.

[King_Dhuum]

I think it's fine to sell them. (Off topic sorry)

 

If you can't afford them or want to play for free then the game will still be free to play. Most of the flags are to help with the grind and credit farming.

 

People will always complain about being able to purchase digital things but war gaming are a business and that's the bottom line.

 

I've wasted money on wot and regret it to be honest ( player base is disgusting and I hope the try hard mentality stay away for wows )

 

however I really enjoy wows and if I spend £5/10 a month on a game I'm ok with that.

 

If you can only spend 5/10 euros on this game per month, it would be dumb to buy anything other than premium time, premium ships, ship slots and some gold for demounting expensive equipment.

 

Spending it on flags (that give less benefits than premium time) only, wouldn't be the smartest thing you could do. Especially since you only get 85-115 flags.

 

This is for those money whales that like to spend tons of money on games to make them feel good. (can't say i haven't done that myself )

[Nethraniel]

I wonder if anyone is going to work out the comparative cost of average XP/Credit boost using flags to buying gold for conversion ?

 

115 flags with +20% creds boost cost ~5 €

that is ~4.3 cents per flag

If you take an nice little battle at T5/T6 that is maybe 15k credits more

So 1 flag = 15k creds

15k creds are 10 gold converted

1€ of flags are worth ~230 gold ... max. you can get from shop is 305 gold / 1€

 

Well... so in principle, when you do not manage to get more than 17-18k more creds per battle with flags, it is not worth it.

That is a base income of 85-90k creds per battle.

[MrRibz]

 

If you can only spend 5/10 euros on this game, it would be dumb to buy anything other than premium time, premium ships, ship slots and some gold for demounting expensive equipment.

 

Spending it on flags (that give less benefits than premium time) only, wouldn't be the smartest thing you could do. Especially since you only get 85-115 flags.

 

This is for those money whales that like to spend tons of money on games to make them feel good. (can't say i haven't done that myself )

 

When I said about spending any amount it wouldn't really be on flags. I've spent money on ships and prem acc. And will get any ship I like the look of in the future. 

 

If you can afford it and want it go for it, it's your money. Why do people try and troll players who spend money? 

 

I know you wasn't trolling tho.

[Siagor]

How about "skip the Colorado in one battle" flag? Just name the price.

[MrRibz]

How about "skip the Colorado in one battle" flag? Just name the price.

 

Is it that bad? I'm gonna use mine on the t5 jap ca, hear it's a rough grind.

[Siagor]

 

Is it that bad? I'm gonna use mine on the t5 jap ca, hear it's a rough grind.

 

Not there yet, but...

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/24165-colorado-guns-way-too-useless/
http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/21728-how-to-survive-the-colorado/page__hl__colorado__fromsearch__1
http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/16048-colorado-makes-me-wanna-quit/page__hl__colorado__fromsearch__1

[Crysantos]

How about "skip the Colorado in one battle" flag? Just name the price.

 

So true trololol

[daki]

I wonder if anyone is going to work out the comparative cost of average XP/Credit boost using flags to buying gold for conversion ?

 

It definitely depends on the player so let me try for XP

Assumptions:

1. Lest assume that the Zulu and Equal Speed Charlie London flags are of equal value. This means that for EUR 5 you get 115 xp boost flags or EUR 0,0434 per flag.

2. For doubloons lets assume the 10k package where you get 1 doubloon for EUR 0,003579.

3. XP / doubloon conversion factor is 25 (i.e. 25xp for 1 doubloon)

 

As said, since the effect depends on the player, lets assume players with average 600, 800, 1000, and 1200 base xp (or with premium average xp of 900, 1200, 1500 and 1800). They get respectively an average 300, 400, 500 and 600xp boost.

Doubloon wise, they get on average with 1 flag a 12, 16, 20 and 24 doubloons equivalent. Based on assumption 2., this translates to 0,042948, 0,057264, 0,07158 and 0,085896 EUR equivalent per flag.

This means that for players with 600 avg XP without premium or 900 avg xp with premium it is basically the same if they use the flags or convert free xp (0,0434 vs 0,042948). However, a very good player with average base xp of 1200 (or 1800 with premium) gets a rather big boost as he can gain the xp at about half the cost.

In other words, it doesn't make sense for below average players as they would spend less converting doubloons to xp, for average players it can make sense if they do not have enough free xp available for conversion (or want their ships to look nice ), and for above average players getting flags is better than spending doubloons for conversion.

 

I hope this helps

 

 

[Nethraniel]

 

It definitely depends on the player so let me try for XP

Assumptions:

1. Lest assume that the Zulu and Equal Speed Charlie London flags are of equal value. This means that for EUR 5 you get 115 xp boost flags or EUR 0,0434 per flag.

2. For doubloons lets assume the 10k package where you get 1 doubloon for EUR 0,003579.

3. XP / doubloon conversion factor is 25 (i.e. 25xp for 1 doubloon)

 

As said, since the effect depends on the player, lets assume players with average 600, 800, 1000, and 1200 base xp (or with premium average xp of 900, 1200, 1500 and 1800). They get respectively an average 300, 400, 500 and 600xp boost.

Doubloon wise, they get on average with 1 flag a 12, 16, 20 and 24 doubloons equivalent. Based on assumption 2., this translates to 0,042948, 0,057264, 0,07158 and 0,085896 EUR equivalent per flag.

This means that for players with 600 avg XP without premium or 900 avg xp with premium it is basically the same if they use the flags or convert free xp (0,0434 vs 0,042948). However, a very good player with average base xp of 1200 (or 1800 with premium) gets a rather big boost as he can gain the xp at about half the cost.

In other words, it doesn't make sense for below average players as they would spend less converting doubloons to xp, for average players it can make sense if they do not have enough free xp available for conversion (or want their ships to look nice ), and for above average players getting flags is better than spending doubloons for conversion.

 

I hope this helps

 

 

 

Yip. Calculation seems fine.

 

For JoeAverage (and better players) the +XP flag might be worth it, the +cred flag not really (like I showed above).

But this is mainly because of the +50% XP boost in comparison to the +20% creds boost.

[daki]

Just to add to my previous post that if we go a bit deeper looking at ship tiers, taking into account that low tier ships get less xp than high tier ships, the higher the tier the more sense it can make.

[Nethraniel]

Just to add to my previous post that if we go a bit deeper looking at ship tiers, taking into account that low tier ships get less xp than high tier ships, the higher the tier the more sense it can make.

 

Yeah, I guess T5/T6 it is, where it starts to have positive effect.

[McCracken666]

yep pay to win flags are in shop. What a shame WG :X

[Hanszeehock]

Just to add to my previous post that if we go a bit deeper looking at ship tiers, taking into account that low tier ships get less xp than high tier ships, the higher the tier the more sense it can make.

 

Thank you. I did mental calculations and thought it is simply not worth the money. For me it makes your ship pretty but I rather spend the money on premium time. As for the pay to win troll, I'll not bother as I'm doing fine without paying for flags ! 

[daki]

yep pay to win flags are in shop. What a shame WG :X

 

No, not really

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play:

...In some multiplayer free-to-play games, players who are willing to pay for special items or downloadable content may be able to gain a significant advantage over those playing for free. Critics of such games call them "pay-to-win" games...

As the flags do not give significant advantage (maybe up to 0,something on the winrate) they should not be considered as P2W.

 

Another definition from http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win:

....Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying....

Again not the case for flags due to their minor boosts, so please stop with this P2W whine...

[Widin]

yep pay to win flags are in shop. What a shame WG :X

 

It's not P2W

[McCracken666]

 

It's not P2W

 

You can pay and get 100rds of each flag boosting ur ships abilitys with all kinds of flags.. Normal play will not keep you all kinds of flags.

 

This is without doubt a pay to win method.

 

Sure we know it dosnt mean you WIN just cause you have flags, but it gives you an advantage over non paying players, thats pay to win.

 

Just imagine a football game where one team can run 5% faster everytime if they pay and the other team can only sometimes be 5% faster, how is that fair or good for gameplay. And thats just ONE of the flags giving you extra speed, next come ALL the others.