First real rage-quit! How to overcome carrier abuse?

[Slipz]

So i've overcome my initial contempt of destroyers and carriers with torpedoes, Mind you that most of my friends already quit the game due to this and the constant fires.

 

I understand the game better now and how to dodge torpedo bombers and keep track where the destroyers are. And I've been enjoying it alot.

 

But playing the Nagato and dying to a single carrier strike from full hp eventho I dodged 10 out of 12 torpedoes is not okay, I feel like I didnt get killed by a player using his skill at all.

 

He bombed me with dive bombers achiving 3x fires, Then he circled me with torp bombers making me reluctant to use repair on the fire's since I expected to take in water after a torpedo hit... However he just circled me until the fires removed 75% of my hp and then launched the worst torpedo assault i've seen 12x torpedoes I dodged 9 (only got hit by two due to one taking out my steering) and I died. No matter how much i've understood about the game it did not matter at all.

I got killed by what seemed to me (judging from the torpedo drops) a very bad player, While I dont claim to be the best at all I still think im decent in a battleship compared to other battleship users.

 

I was escorted by two destroyers who were shooting alot with the AA guns, Sadly the cruisers had left me behind. (was mid game)

[lorus93]

I was escorted by two destroyers who were shooting alot with the AA guns, Sadly the cruisers had left me behind. (was mid game)

 

I think I found the reason for your failure.

 

Based on your description, the CV player performed excellent in the situation: he set you on fire and held off the torpedo attack until he saw that you had used your DCP.

[Slipz]

 

I think I found the reason for your failure.

 

Based on your description, the CV player performed excellent in the situation: he set you on fire and held off the torpedo attack until he saw that you had used your DCP.

 

I find it hard to accept it as my failure as I was doing everything in my power to catch the friendly cruisers. I'd say its more their fault that I died but I still have to take the frustration.

[Iron_Gekko]

Sounds like a very good CV (he dose not have to be bad, just detracted as CV players normally multitask a lot, and this also looked like a perfect storm scenario, you need a cruiser next to you.

 

DD's are simply torp bait, I would actually have ignored you and gone for them if you where next to em. I have been one shotted by battleships with a magazine blow up that I could not avoid, so BB's are OP too obviously.

[OpCentar]

...But playing the Nagato and dying to a single carrier strike from full hp eventho I dodged 10 out of 12 torpedoes is not okay, I feel like I didnt get killed by a player using his skill at all.

 

He bombed me with dive bombers achiving 3x fires...

 

What CV attacked you? because the Nagatos AA is kinda crappy...

[Demigur]

It does take the fun out of the game though. If a carriers focus you in a BB, you won't survive the first 3 mins.

Torps are making the game less fun in every way, simple as that.

 

It's like arty in WoT yet there is no where to hide.

[Seinta]

 

I find it hard to accept it as my failure as I was doing everything in my power to catch the friendly cruisers. I'd say its more their fault that I died but I still have to take the frustration.

 

So the CV is abusing something and it's the Cruisers fault you didn't have effective AA cover?

Nagato is not a slow ship, more than capable of keeping up with Cruisers.

[Fi_8_8_8_8]

Hey Slipz,

I can totally understand where you are coming from. Similar thing happened to me in the Kongo..
Got attacked by a lonely Langley TB..obviously i started going circles as soon as it was clear that he was coming for me..then he launched his torpedoes and as the Langley TB spread is quite narrow I had to swallow one. No problem there..they usually do not deal greats amount of damage..and I had almost full health since it was the very first TB wave.
The next thing I know, is that I'm dead..
One torpedo to my front (a little angled) and I get a detonation (first time that happened to me in a BB) well ..GAME OVER 

What followed was sth. I usually do not do.I cursed in all possible languages at the other CV captain and the game.. 

So, what I want to say is that I agree with you, I also do not consider myself a bad player but in that instance I had no chance. The game mechanics need a lot of tweaking (since it should be okay that you pay in a lonely BB without cruiser cover, but the enemy should not be able to take out the strongest BB of your team with one Langley torpedo hit.

The fire issue is another topic where I agree with you. I mentioned that in the review for the beta tests as well. It should never be possible for a full health cruiser to take down a full health BB of the same tier when they are faced one on one in the open sea. (Given that players of equally good skill are driving them). In a Cleve you will have no problems taking on Mexicos at far range and just light them up with endless super accurate HE shots..which by themselves already do too much damage (IMO). 
WG needs to either lower HE shell damage on armored targets or lower the fire damage. I don't think a cruiser ever sunk a BB in real life by just spamming HE shells at him..maybe I'm wrong..but DDs and CVs (but not a single torpedo hit as mentioned earlier) are supposed to be the main threat to BBs..thus the escort role of the cruisers..

Anyway,I think the game is great. And I still enjoy playing it, but these issues accompanies with some balancing issues (especially the Kawachi, Myogi and the Furutaka)
And to your topic of DDs, Destroyers AA is a joke, similar to most early tier vessels. If you're lucky, you'll shoot down one fighter with the upgraded Nicholas when you switch AA on. But when directly circling ahead, I think planes should take more dmg from any kind of vessel.. so they learn to avoid ships after torpedo runs etc.

Anyway..hope by sharing this, and acknowledging your pain..the suffering is lessened  

[LooneyBin]

 

So the CV is abusing something and it's the Cruisers fault you didn't have effective AA cover?

Nagato is not a slow ship, more than capable of keeping up with Cruisers.

 

easier to blame someone else for your own mistakes.

[Gold_Firing_Noob]

Still learning this game... getting better but the torpedo spam makes the game very unfun.

[nibiru_star]

I just have an issue with the manual release on the CV, dropping the torps so close i can't even dodge them in my cruiser. Other then that it seems the carier did a good job.

 

Fire can be bad, torpedoes can be bad and for a cruiser getting killed in 1 BB salvo can be bad. It happens.

[ewokgoeth]

well it is not like carriers are only ones to detonate people with single hits....

been on receiving end of that from long range BB firing (citadel penetration via plunging fire) and destroyers often dont need that with their devastating torp narrow spreads launched when I turn the corner of an island (yeah bad tactic but sometimes you have no choice)

[Scarebird]

You've played 221 battles, 202 of which have been in battleships and your stats aren't that good for someone who has played that many battles in one type of ship.  Whilst you say you have a good understanding of the game mechanics, you won't truly know them until you have played and understand the ships you will encounter in your battleships.  Knowing the strengths of your enemy is to also know his weaknesses.  Sounds to me like you were taken out by a very canny CV driver who knew exactly what he was doing who played on your own weakness to destroy you.

[Azrael_Ashemdion]

 

I find it hard to accept it as my failure as I was doing everything in my power to catch the friendly cruisers. I'd say its more their fault that I died but I still have to take the frustration.

 

That's because it wasn't your failure.  You were just in an incredibly shitty situation, from which even Chuck Norris probably could not extract himself.  You really didn't have a lot of choices there.  Arguably when you realized you were being circled by the vultures, maybe you could have hit your DCP at that moment so you'd have had a better hp pool to ward off the inevitable hits, but you were pretty screwed from the get-go there. 

 

  Az

[DtXpwnz]

Fires are much more devastating than flooding. 3 fires = 0,9% of your max HP per second, while flooding for tier 7 is something like 0,24%...

 

so you died because of your mistake, you should have immediately extinquish the fires, eat the torps and later use heal. Also I hope you are using premium repair kit at this tier...

 

Btw carrier made a mistake, fires are more potent dmg over time, so he should attack with torpedoes first and DBs later to make you take the fire dmg.

[soulmask]

yeah cv's are op,  driving my new york and was dodging his tb's, while getting shot at, i than went and one shot a south carliner.  i only took 2 trop hits from the cv, 3 hit a phoenix go citadel hits,  took out 10 planes,  only to have a DD come up behide me and sink me. dose not sound op to me

[Demigur]

You've played 221 battles, 202 of which have been in battleships and your stats aren't that good for someone who has played that many battles in one type of ship.  Whilst you say you have a good understanding of the game mechanics, you won't truly know them until you have played and understand the ships you will encounter in your battleships.  Knowing the strengths of your enemy is to also know his weaknesses.  Sounds to me like you were taken out by a very canny CV driver who knew exactly what he was doing who played on your own weakness to destroy you.

 

"Canny"? It's not that hard you know... and that one of the problems.  Not only can you take ships out without them being able to fight back but it's super easy to do so. It takes away any fun of playing BBs when you die or at least get smashed for 50% of your health within 3 mins without any chance to do anything about it.

[McCracken666]

Its CV easy times in current game state. I dont see the complaints about the absurdly imbalanced CVs going anywhere before WG fix this. It will only get worse as more and more get into higher tiers.

[Kuso_Teitoku]

 

"Canny"? It's not that hard you know... and that one of the problems.  Not only can you take ships out without them being able to fight back but it's super easy to do so. It takes away any fun of playing BBs when you die or at least get smashed for 50% of your health within 3 mins without any chance to do anything about it.

 

You have 3 Battles in the Langley, so please dont assume you know everything about CV play. It can be easy on T4, and if your enemy is unexperienced, but it won't stay that way.

 

But I'd agree that there nedds to be some rebalancing

[allufewig]

Well there was a failure on the OPs side.

 

If youre on 3x fire, you should extinguish immediately. You can "stack" up to 4x fire in a BB, but flooding is always singular. There is no 2x flooding. Flooding lasts 30s longer for comparable damage per second, but overall even 2x fire will do much more harm than flooding.

 

Still I agree that carriers that make you use your repair just to drop another load of bombs/torps without a BB being able to retaliate at least feel extremely unfair.

[Iron_Gekko]

Yes, lets turn this into a please Nerf CV op thread.

 

I agree that on lower levels for new people the CV can seem daunting because the AA is there yet, but on higher levels CVs have a very hard time, BBs are always going to be exposed if they sail alone, nothing will change that. (DD's don't really count as AA support)

 

Best way to defeat a CV for a fleet? Stay together, a mass of AA rips planes from the sky faster then fighters do.

[Hrakuun]

Play cleveland and enjoy the sound of swimming planes

 

if you are alone in a BB with no AA cover its your fault you were nuked 1v1 by CV

 

[Demigur]

 

You have 3 Battles in the Langley, so please dont assume you know everything about CV play. It can be easy on T4, and if your enemy is unexperienced, but it won't stay that way.

 

But I'd agree that there nedds to be some rebalancing

 

I sure don't assume I know everything.

It doesn't really matter if it's easy though. Players at higher tiers might be better at avoiding torps but then again the carrier players are better as well and you get more planes. Even the best BB player will not be able to avoid every torp when he has 3-4 torp bombers going at him.

It's simply bad design when one weapon can take you out without any chance of fighting back.

[DtXpwnz]

 

I sure don't assume I know everything.

It doesn't really matter if it's easy though. Players at higher tiers might be better at avoiding torps but then again the carrier players are better as well and you get more planes. Even the best BB player will not be able to avoid every torp when he has 3-4 torp bombers going at him.

It's simply bad design when one weapon can take you out without any chance of fighting back.

 

this game is not supposed to be balanced about 1v1 fights (try defeating Maus with your scout tank...), put USN cruiser close to your battleship and if played properly, you won't take more than one torpedo per squadron (or even less). If you play as fleet, you become literally invulnerable to CV attacks as the combined AA, crapload of ridiculous floatplanes and cruisers panic ability will prevent CVsu from doing any meaningful dmg. CVs punish bad play and they punish it hard...

[Krogort]

You need two american cruisers escorting your battleship if you want to counter a same tier ennemy carrier.

(shooting all its plane before they drop their payload)

Also they must not use their AA boosting abilities at the same time of the smart carrier player will retreat the planes for 30seconds and strike just after that.

 

It's called balance, otherwise battleships would have a too easy time owning the seas.

Devs said it's working as intended so deal with it or play another game.