Mogami vs Myoko

[kbb07142]

Am i missing something with the Mogami?

This ship seems like a complete downgrade from the Myoko.

 

The Myoko is faster and more maneuverable (although not by much)

 

I did the numbers on the guns and the Myoko wins.

The DPM of the Myoko is better with the 203mm guns.

When the Mogami is equipped with the 155mm guns, its theoretical DPM is better, however i am finding that its AP will rarely penetrate the citadel of most cruisers and its HE is rather unreliable.

 

The guns fire 1km less

Its AA rating is the same (yet i find the Myoko to be better, probably because it meets lower tier carriers more often)

Torps are the same

 

It even has less health...wtf

 

With the 203mm guns, they aim 15 seconds faster, but dont forget you give up DPM for that.

Its armour can be okay, but BB will punch straight through it and citadel you if you even show your side just a bit.

 

I was really looking forward to getting the Mogami but now i have it, urgh, I cant see the point in it. Its more like a tier 7 premium than a tier 8.

 

[Dbars_eu]

U wot M8? The mogami is one of the most powerful ships in game. it could be t10. Use the 155mm with the captains skills and you can shoot out to something like 18km.

[Crytis]

You so realize mogami was t7 and myoko was t8 in CBT? Also 155 HE spam. Feel the fire.

[genai]

Cleveland is nothing compared to Mogami... Mogami is so damn OP at that tier... Use 155mm and shoot HE with AA skills on commander... its just plain silly how much dmg it does

Myoko is not bad, but 155mm Mogami is a beast

[kbb07142]

Ok use the 155mm...check

Get the commader skills which increase 155mm guns....check

 

Well range has now increased from 15.1km to 18

 

I fire HE at everything and...yea it sucks.

Well sort of.

 

Vs BB it is probably better than the Myoko (but dont forget, i am facing alot more higher tier BB than I would in my Myoko)

Vs Cruisers the Myoko is superior as you can fire AP and be confident to pen and get citadel hits, something that wont happen with the 155mm.

 

Anyway I came with stats showing how the Myoko and Mogami are vertually the same ship but the Mogami is 1 tier higher and has worse stats.

So please tell me 1 thing this ship does better at than the Myoko...by pointing to stats and not just saying "bla bla bla Mogami is OP bla bla bla"

[DtXpwnz]

So please tell me 1 thing this ship does better at than the Myoko...by pointing to stats and not just saying "bla bla bla Mogami is OP bla bla bla"

Burning battleships

[kbb07142]

Burning battleships

 

Urgh, the people in this game honestly

 

"come to me with stats"

 

The 203mm guns on the Myoko even have better chance to set the enemy ship on fire (16% vs 11%....see that's a statistic).

 

So even better at burning BB is not technically true.

And the extra DPM the Mogami gets with its guns is out weighed by the fact it its now 1 tier higher.

Here I will give you a STATISTIC.

The Myoko shooting at the tier 7 USN BB will take 18 seconds to kill, assuming no fire is caused and every shot hits for full damage.

The Mogami shooting at the tier 8 USN BB will take a 17 seconds to kill.

Wow, a 1 second difference.

 

So it give up so much, just to be slightly better at killing BB's

[DtXpwnz]

Fire chance x rate of fire....

 

With 155mm, you have more guns and much better rate of fire = you can just throw so much sh*t at the enemy, that his entire ship will be on fire in matter of seconds. Sorry, no statistics available...

[kbb07142]

Fire chance x rate of fire....

 

With 155mm, you have more guns and much better rate of fire = you can just throw so much sh*t at the enemy, that his entire ship will be on fire in matter of seconds. Sorry, no statistics available...

 

Just came out of a game with the Myoko

Literally only shot at BB's the entire game (late night MM i suppose).

Only fired HE shots

73 shots hit (not fired) for 23,000 damage....that's crap

Number of fires started? 4, again for a total damage of 6,000.

 

Again at this tier, every BB captain has the skills and equipment to reduce the fire chance by atleast 12%.

So my 11% chance to cause a fire, is reduced by his -12% to start a fire.

[DtXpwnz]

it isn't 11% - 12%, that's not how it is calculated... it is 11 * 0,93 (-7% for level 2 captain skill) * 0,95 (-5% for upgrade) = 9,72% chance of fire...

[kbb07142]

it isn't 11% - 12%, that's not how it is calculated... it is 11 * 0,93 (-7% for level 2 captain skill) * 0,95 (-5% for upgrade) = 9,72% chance of fire...

 

Yes i know

Its -12% from the 11% chance to cause a fire

I know is not -1% chance to cause a fire lol.

 

Anyway 2nd game, 149 HE shots fired, 9 fires.

Not that good.

[nikos13ole]

 

Anyway 2nd game, 149 HE shots fired, 9 fires.

Not that good.

How many of them hit though?

and 9 fires is pretty good unless you expect to be a flame thrower all the time causing fires...

[kbb07142]

How many of them hit though?

and 9 fires is pretty good unless you expect to be a flame thrower all the time causing fires...

 

Sorry 149 hit

[kbb07142]

Ok, after having got 3600 base XP in my last game i have to maybe admit that this ship is not as bad as i 1st thought.

 

I do think it needs a buff, even if its an artificial buff such as hit points etc.

 

It definitely should have more hit points than its tier 7 brother, and I wonder if thats a mistake on WG's part, as i think its the only ship in the game to have less hit points than the ship before it.

 

It should also get the Type 93 torps and not the Type 90 as those were the torps the Mogami historically had (I think anyway).

 

Really the problem i am finding with this ship is the amount of tier 9 and 10 BB's it has to face, which if u so much as show them you side, will pretty much cripple you, if not 1 shot you.

 

 

[Needy_Game]

i find the Mogami, to be one of the best ships in the game, its equally as good with either the 155mm or with the 203mm, the amount of guns is fantastic, it also has decent AA

[Boevebeest]

So let me sum up for you.

 

You unlock a new ship, look at stats and play a few games in it.

instead of giving it a little time to get used to the new ship and exploring which set up suits your playstyle best, you run to the forum and start complaining, telling people that try to help you they are wrong making a complete fool out of yourself?

 

You act like the new players that get torped in their first game ever coming here claiming torps are OP and need a nerf.

 

At least you admit you where wrong in your first assessment about the ship, which speaks for you.

 

IJN is a line of ships that is somehow weird in my experience from CBT. I played them to the Zao.

A lot of ships play very different than their predecessor taking a lot of playstyle adjustments through out the entire line.

 

Mogami was my absolute favorite in the whole tree of IJN CA's.

The next ship took some time to get used to but once mastered a monster. Switch of the insane RoF 155MM guns to the slow 203's was hard for me.

I unlocked Zao just before the end of CBT and only played some 30 games in it. I never liked the ship myself, no idea what it was.

And now a days there are very few DD's at that level, but man is the Mogami the worst nightmare for them. I killed tier 10 DD's in one volley, two volleys was enough each and every time.

 

It wouldn't wonder me much if you grinded through the Mogami you keep it.

[Takeda92]

You';re not going to like Ibuki when you first get it then XD

[OldGrandad]

I am not sure as to when you (the OP) joined us testing, but if you joined after the swap of the Myoko and the Mogami you should realise why these 2 ships were swapped. I recalled getting the Mogami after the Aoba and what a dream ship it was. It was not long before it was crowned the most OP ship class for class/tier for tier as with it's 155mm's equipped it was a fiery monster! Then came the low point getting the then tier 8 Myoko, it was really that bad a downgrade at the time I would have much rather played WoT (ok, I was joking there but you get my drift!). Thankfully the devs swapped them around and they now make sense game wise and historically (Myoko commissioned in 1929 and Mogami in 1935).

 

I am still very early on in my Myoko's grinding and cannot wait until I get the Mogami! 

[McCracken666]

You are right about the 203mm are much much better with AP, they penetrate alot better. Many dont realize that a few patches ago they nerfed small calibers AP ability and armor in general works different now. The 155's chance of penetrating is just no way near as good as the 203's.

 

 

The mogami is better at long range(18,04km) and it can land 15 HE instead of 10 from myoko.

Mogami is a better DD hunter, again 15 shell vs 10, its just better even tho the 203 do hurt alot more.

 

 

Myoko is just as good or better at dealing with CA's, as mentioned the 10x203 can make the HP bar go red much faster the 15x155 using HE/AP.

 

Myoko has faster reload of 203's than mogami.

 

Myoko is actually a better gun platform the tier IX Ibuki, they have same power but the myoko has much faster reload. Myoko was an absolute blast to play, i do miss her, might rebuy her.

[Spellfire40]

Well even with the 200ish you dont have the strange gun placement.so you usaly have more guns at the target sonner after more radocal  direction changes.

 

Cya

 

Spellfire40 

[McCracken666]

Well even with the 200ish you dont have the strange gun placement.so you usaly have more guns at the target sonner after more radocal  direction changes.

 

Cya

 

Spellfire40 

Rather have 5.0 RPM with odd turret placment(myoko) than just 4,0 with 1 turret placed better(mogami)

 

None of the turret placements are good, just he mogami's placement is a bit better.

[DanottiTR]

Questioning Mogami is plain waste of time .That ship is good with 155 turrets .simple maths ..more range more dpm .

[McCracken666]

Questioning Mogami is plain waste of time .That ship is good with 155 turrets .simple maths ..more range more dpm .

 

Agree, its very good.

 

Just trying to point out that the Myoko is also very good, the AP ability is better on myoko and its better and "one shooting" CA's.

[Adwaenyth]

The 203mm guns on the Myoko even have better chance to set the enemy ship on fire (16% vs 11%....see that's a statistic).

 

16% at 10 shells at 5 rpm vs 11% at 15 shells at 6 rpm... err which one will likely set a BB on fire earlier?

 

 

[kbb07142]

So let me sum up for you.

 

You unlock a new ship, look at stats and play a few games in it.

instead of giving it a little time to get used to the new ship and exploring which set up suits your playstyle best, you run to the forum and start complaining, telling people that try to help you they are wrong making a complete fool out of yourself?

 

You act like the new players that get torped in their first game ever coming here claiming torps are OP and need a nerf.

 

At least you admit you where wrong in your first assessment about the ship, which speaks for you.

 

IJN is a line of ships that is somehow weird in my experience from CBT. I played them to the Zao.

A lot of ships play very different than their predecessor taking a lot of playstyle adjustments through out the entire line.

 

Mogami was my absolute favorite in the whole tree of IJN CA's.

The next ship took some time to get used to but once mastered a monster. Switch of the insane RoF 155MM guns to the slow 203's was hard for me.

I unlocked Zao just before the end of CBT and only played some 30 games in it. I never liked the ship myself, no idea what it was.

And now a days there are very few DD's at that level, but man is the Mogami the worst nightmare for them. I killed tier 10 DD's in one volley, two volleys was enough each and every time.

 

It wouldn't wonder me much if you grinded through the Mogami you keep it.

 

I played alot during CBT and so I have some idea of how the ship should be played.

 

I never said the ship was bad, just a downgrade from the Myoko...which it is.

Its worse or exactly the same as the Myoko in every respect.

 

The DPM of the HE shells of the mogami is only better vs BB's

The Myoko will also 1 shot tier 10 destroyers and 2 volleys has always been enough to kill of destroyers.

 

The DPM of the AP shells of the Myoko is also better than the Mogami because unlike the Mogami, the Myoko will pen the enemy cruisers.

Hell I was even struggling to pen a bloody carrier with the 155mm guns.

 

So this ship is relegated to shooting BB (and any destroyers it can find).

Well cruisers hunting BB is very dangerous.

You do not want to show your side at all the the enemy BB's as at this tier, they will citadel you every time.

But thats okay, I mean the higher up the tier you go the more damage enemy BB's do, so to compensate you get more health right?

Urgh.

 

Anyway this ship is not bad, but its not a tier 8 ship.