I'm NEVER escorted by CA's in my BB

[KillSlim]

Since CBT transitioned to OBT I can specifically remember only a small handful games where a CA or group of them escorted the battleships in games where it's desperately needed to defend against carriers or even against other CA's. In the vast majority of the games I've played in my BB, I've been completely abandoned as the cruisers and destroyers go and do their own thing on the opposite flank. Do people not realize that inaccurate guns with 30 second reloads versus agile HE shell hoses is a recipe for failure? I long for games when I have some CA's in a game which actually realize that others are dependant on them. 

[Luckyio]

Since CBT transitioned to OBT I can specifically remember only a small handful games where a CA or group of them escorted the battleships in games where it's desperately needed to defend against carriers or even against other CA's. In the vast majority of the games I've played in my BB, I've been completely abandoned as the cruisers and destroyers go and do their own thing on the opposite flank. Do people not realize that inaccurate guns with 30 second reloads versus agile HE shell hoses is a recipe for failure? I long for games when I have some CA's in a game which actually realize that others are dependant on them. 

 

Cruisers are not supposed to screen you against other cruisers. That's nonsense. "HE shell hoses" are junk vs BBs at tier 4 and above.

 

It would also help if instead of sitting on edges of the map, you actually push up with the cruisers.

[ParEx]

Since CBT transitioned to OBT I can specifically remember only a small handful games where a CA or group of them escorted the battleships in games where it's desperately needed to defend against carriers or even against other CA's. In the vast majority of the games I've played in my BB, I've been completely abandoned as the cruisers and destroyers go and do their own thing on the opposite flank. Do people not realize that inaccurate guns with 30 second reloads versus agile HE shell hoses is a recipe for failure? I long for games when I have some CA's in a game which actually realize that others are dependant on them. 

 

Do you exspect them to guard you? And they dont? Hmm... this is random game, so nobody cares for his teammates.

 

Tip: ask for support. If you see a CA with good AA nearby ask him to stay with you.

And: If you see the rest of the team goind the other side, why are you going alone? If I see my Team going one flank and I am alone on the other, I head back, just spot and retreat, because I cant win this fight.

 

I often give AA support in my atlanta, to CVs at gamestart and so on. Just ask for it.

[beercrazy]

you need to do what I do and division up with 2 other players

we have even started to have one of us play a carrier now because we could never get our teams carriers to help when we asked for it

since its gone obt a lot of players play like they did in wot and rush in not even thinking about what their ships are good for and you will always get them due to fact it is random battles

 

[Khitan]

I mostly play CA's and the frustrating  thing for me is never knowing which BB it's worth escorting. 

If a BB player asks for cover I at least know he has an idea of how the game works - would XVM  help here? Possibly but then you will end up with the good players being covered by all the cruisers in game while the "less good" BB's are left to fend for themselves thus harming your teams chances and leading to much raging on the forum!

[Snowman79]

Played a game yesterday in my Arkansas beta (0 AA guns) and asked a couple of CA's to cover me (the enemy had 2 IJN CV's). The answer i got was "keep up with us". Really?? With my 21 knots max speed??? I got a new a-hole from the CV's and that was my game...Also got bashed in chat for defending CV's in my Yubari...called a bot and such for doing my job...

[Alteisen]

The typical BB yolo's at the enemy which makes it suicidal to escort one.

[DumbleDerp]

I used to support the BB's on early OBT, after all that's a good opening role for the CAs, to provide AA cover and DD screen.

 

But then I got tired to BB's ramming me out of the way and firing into to me. When  I'm playing in the higher tiers again, I'll try and resume that role, if the BB's want me too.

[Vegas095]

 

"HE shell hoses" are junk vs BBs at tier 4 and above.

Well that's just not true lol.

[ttchip]

Well that's just not true lol.

 

While Mr. Luckyio doesn't have the specifics right, the general gist of that part you quoted is. High tier BBs (NC, Iowa, Montana, Yamato) are virtually untouchable to 203mm guns. This nigh invincibility is one of the reasons why cruisers lose so much of their carry potential in these tiers.

 

On topic: Right now you'll find a bunch of people who've started playing the game in OBT reach the tiers in which escorting makes sense. When you consider that most of these players have played WoT in some capacity and usually know nothing about naval warfare, you end up with people who're unwilling to escort because "Why would the medium tank equivalent in this game escort?" (or something along those lines).

[Vegas095]

 

While Mr. Luckyio doesn't have the specifics right, the general gist of that part you quoted is. High tier BBs (NC, Iowa, Montana, Yamato) are virtually untouchable to 203mm guns. This nigh invincibility is one of the reasons why cruisers lose so much of their carry potential in these tiers.

I agree that Iowa, Montana and Yamato can handle HE spam quite well, especially the Iowa(damn that thing is just immune to HE). NC not so much from my experience. But saying that anything tier 4 and up can handle HE spam is no where close to being true.

[GeneralRushHour]

I always ask if im BB and i always say yes if a BB ask me. 

The combination of a cruiser and BB rolling together is extremely dangerous for the opposition.

[69thBuLLeT]

Escorting is a thankless job. Literally.

 

I've never been acknowledged for escorting or been asked to escort. Considering that the XP rewards are non-existant, I'm not really motivated to do it anymore.

 

If you see me steaming along with a BB, it's because I'm using him as a meatshield to tank damage for me. That's why I'll keep him alive.

 

But thank you so much for creating YET ANOTHER new topic on the SAME thing. We really needed it.

[Blue_Bug]

Since CBT transitioned to OBT I can specifically remember only a small handful games where a CA or group of them escorted the battleships in games where it's desperately needed to defend against carriers or even against other CA's. In the vast majority of the games I've played in my BB, I've been completely abandoned as the cruisers and destroyers go and do their own thing on the opposite flank. Do people not realize that inaccurate guns with 30 second reloads versus agile HE shell hoses is a recipe for failure? I long for games when I have some CA's in a game which actually realize that others are dependant on them.

 

 

Most BB's don't realize that protection is a two way street. To many times the allied BB's don't want to push and stay at the back firing long distance. To many times in cases that the enemie pushes and the CA's are in batle the BB's in the back are sailing away "to keep there distance" leaving the CA's to die.

 

To be short it is not rewarding and/or it is too risky due to the average behavior of the allied BB's.

[Exodude]

Playing in a division (with competent people) together (on Teamspeak) with people you trust (everyone that isn't a supertester) makes improves gameplay experience to a great degree.

As such I recommend everyone to go and find the TS IP and just hop on and start playing together, you usually can find some guy that plays cruisers on your tier or stuff

[el_bloom]

Sorry OP but i had to adapt to the masses of new players playing mostly battlesheeps....

If you escort some BB nowadays you will, given the circumstances, wittness the most frustrating and infuriating stuff.

I go in with a BB, behind us another BB and CA - we engage the enemy - i go full speed ahead trying to do my best only to see 30 secs later that the BB has completely disengaged from the fight.

 

I can´t escort anymore. Can only take so much. It´s over.

[Frosty]

I think Khitan here is got the point. Thing is I do rly well on my own as a cruiser and prefer to rather position myself somewhere along the route of the planes rather than styin close to one particular ship. The reason is that otherwise you are tied to someone who might be absolute crap as a payer - there is no way to tell (at least early in the game) if a bb is worth protecting. That said last time I decided to stick with a cv I've had a best game ever In my Cleve with 5 kills and 43 planes down (we had 1 cv vs 2 so I knew enemy will try to kill our cv first)

[ilhilh]

If the CAs go to the other flank then perhaps you should go to the other flank?  It is the same thing in WoT... don't fight the lemon train.

 

As others have said it is a pretty thankless task escorting someone and the reality is that it isn't easy to do without comms - you might need to turn to sort out ranges/reduce the number of ships firing at you... the CA doesn't... he takes a load of damage and decides he ain't doing that again...  the alternative is that you don't turn and then you die and get accused of YOLOing.

 

It often is not really the fault of either party per se...

[Richard_V]

I'm playing Mogami and main problems of escorting BB's are 

 

1. YOLOing BB's, going for shortest route for death

2. BB "snipers" which head into corner of map and hide there

3. only low level BB's in team, not really worth escorting.

 

maps are large, escorting wrong BB is huge mistake and there is almost no way knowing it in advance.

[Lord_WC]

Game doesn't give any reward for me if I escort a BB. Sure I would win more but I get 10% of my regular xp if I escort and kill planes. Even if I had 100% WR with escorting my base xp still would be 1/8th of my regular. Until WG changes this I don't see any reason I should teamplay - I will do my best to win games though, but I won't escort or go dedicated AA. If I hit with just one salvo that's about 100-120 planes' worth. So no, don't even ask for an escort, not going to happen.

[Memo1991]

Game doesn't give any reward for me if I escort a BB. Sure I would win more but I get 10% of my regular xp if I escort and kill planes. Even if I had 100% WR with escorting my base xp still would be 1/8th of my regular. Until WG changes this I don't see any reason I should teamplay - I will do my best to win games though, but I won't escort or go dedicated AA. If I hit with just one salvo that's about 100-120 planes' worth. So no, don't even ask for an escort, not going to happen.

 

Well this make my think twice before I escort any other ships !

[Lord_WC]

Well this make my think twice before I escort any other ships !

 

It's extremely annoying and such a missed opportunity. I like teamplay at my heart. Every time I have to force myself not to go and help our CV or BB that will get torpedoed to death by a scrubtub, because I can go to a flank instead and kill a few DDs or something. If I stay I will win and get 600 xp. If I go and kill I will get about 2000 xp and lose, or win for 3000 xp.

 

Same deal with DDs and spotting. If you light up the whole enemy team, lay smoke for yours and they just decimate a flank - 300 xp. If you yolorush an enemy BB and torpedo it - 2000.

 

WG does its best to punish people that teamplay.

[lokisrun]

 

It's extremely annoying and such a missed opportunity. I like teamplay at my heart. Every time I have to force myself not to go and help our CV or BB that will get torpedoed to death by a scrubtub, because I can go to a flank instead and kill a few DDs or something. If I stay I will win and get 600 xp. If I go and kill I will get about 2000 xp and lose, or win for 3000 xp.

 

Same deal with DDs and spotting. If you light up the whole enemy team, lay smoke for yours and they just decimate a flank - 300 xp. If you yolorush an enemy BB and torpedo it - 2000.

 

WG does its best to punish people that teamplay.

 

This pretty much nails it, WG want the game to be about escorting, supporting and sticking together, but they do absolutely nothing to encourage that behaviour, I've tried escorting and it makes no difference to my actual chances of winning, what it does do is make so that win or lose, I get no XP or credits.

[jadei]

I always escort bb or cv`s when there hugely outtiered or numbered in my cruisers, especially at the start of the game and still get great games. You will help yourself by saving your teammates from some torpedo or divebombers.

[Lord_WC]

I've tried escorting and it makes no difference to my actual chances of winning

I disagree with this part (granted I play US CAs and those are better suited for escorting), it matters. Not as much as spotter DDs do, but keeping your BBs healthy until they reach the fighting is a huge advantage - just one torpedo run from a scrubtub is more damage than you can do if you arrive early to the fight.