No point in lvling IJN CV because of nerfs.

[Dbars_eu]

We all know by now that the t5-t8 IJN CV will be nerfed again. So for someone looking to get in CV shouldnt waste their time lvling IJN CV just to have them nerfed to the ground again. The way wging will nerf them would be to just remove a torp or bomber squad and add a fighter to the load outs. But we all know US CV fighters destroy ijn fighters. I dont see how basically removing strike load outs help the ijn cv. WGing needs to take other steps to fix CV besides just adding fighters to their load outs...

[Usotsuki]

We all know by now that the t5-t8 IJN CV will be nerfed again. So for someone looking to get in CV shouldnt waste their time lvling IJN CV just to have them nerfed to the ground again. The way wging will nerf them would be to just remove a torp or bomber squad and add a fighter to the load outs. But we all know US CV fighters destroy ijn fighters. I dont see how basically removing strike load outs help the ijn cv. WGing needs to take other steps to fix CV besides just adding fighters to their load outs...

 

I disagree, my buddy makes a fortune playing them. He get's like at least 200k profit average while i get 100-250k or something... and he carries (ha) the games pretty much with his broken damage

[Seinta]

If you are dumb enough to fight US fighters fairly .....  it's all about controlling the engagement.

Also IJN is undeniably outperforming US Cvs, so there needs to be balance.

[Ishiro32]

I would assume IJN nerf will come with the fighter rebalance which is planned I think for 0.4.1?

Wait and see. If after fighter rebalance and IJN loadout nerf there will be some issues, then rise concerns. Right now it's pointless as we do not know any details.

[CherryWood]

Well, replacing torpedo planes with useless INJ fighters would be a rather heavy nerf indeed, thats for sure. 

 

But I can't disagree that INJ strike setups are overperforming at lower tiers, they do need a bit of nerfing, but I really hope this could be done in some less direct way or together with some rebalancing in other areas at least. 

[Kais_S012]

with the USN Carrier trend of  strike wings focusing on Dive bombers did the idea of you kow... simply buffing the USN DB squardon damage not come up?

 

heavily reducing the USN TB damage and putting a signifcant buff on USN Dive bomber AP values, damage output and chance of critcal/citadel hits in theory they could  counter the IJN Strike power without reducing the IJN carrier ability to little more than a joke like the buffoons did with the 3.0 patch.

 

USN- poor torps/ good dive bombers

IJN - good torps/ poor dive bombers

surely its not hard to balance them logically...

 

until they get to the Soviets anyway... they'll have to be better then everyone else because... well its wargaming... you can see where that ones going

[xCaptainObviousx]

until they get to the Soviets anyway... they'll have to be better then everyone else because... well its wargaming... you can see where that ones going

Soviet squadrons will only have 1 plane, but their torpedoes are homing and their dive bombers drop nukes.

[RepSrb]

We all know by now that the t5-t8 IJN CV will be nerfed again. So for someone looking to get in CV shouldnt waste their time lvling IJN CV just to have them nerfed to the ground again. The way wging will nerf them would be to just remove a torp or bomber squad and add a fighter to the load outs. But we all know US CV fighters destroy ijn fighters. I dont see how basically removing strike load outs help the ijn cv. WGing needs to take other steps to fix CV besides just adding fighters to their load outs...

 

people cried sooo much not because they are trully op but because they lack skill, they imagined it would be all gunns blazing like in wot without any other challenge ,  so wargaming had to , play cv untill the patch then just quit it and go other lines/ quit game

[Seinta]

with the USN Carrier trend of  strike wings focusing on Dive bombers did the idea of you kow... simply buffing the USN DB squardon damage not come up?

 

heavily reducing the USN TB damage and putting a signifcant buff on USN Dive bomber AP values, damage output and chance of critcal/citadel hits in theory they could  counter the IJN Strike power without reducing the IJN carrier ability to little more than a joke like the buffoons did with the 3.0 patch.

 

USN- poor torps/ good dive bombers

IJN - good torps/ poor dive bombers

surely its not hard to balance them logically...

 

until they get to the Soviets anyway... they'll have to be better then everyone else because... well its wargaming... you can see where that ones going

 

This won't change much , simply because IJN have squadron advantage. By the time one DB makes an attack , two IJN would do that and let's not forget the rearming time.

IJN can zerg a target, US cannot.

[Spellfire40]

with the USN Carrier trend of  strike wings focusing on Dive bombers did the idea of you kow... simply buffing the USN DB squardon damage not come up?

 

heavily reducing the USN TB damage and putting a signifcant buff on USN Dive bomber AP values, damage output and chance of critcal/citadel hits in theory they could  counter the IJN Strike power without reducing the IJN carrier ability to little more than a joke like the buffoons did with the 3.0 patch.

 

USN- poor torps/ good dive bombers

IJN - good torps/ poor dive bombers

surely its not hard to balance them logically...

 

until they get to the Soviets anyway... they'll have to be better then everyone else because... well its wargaming... you can see where that ones going

 

Na Stronk soviet use Il-2. They not brother with Torps or bombs they use rockets. Imun to AA and puny Figter rounds because Stronk and cause heavy fires wich cant be repaired and burn till ship goes down ,-)))

 

 

cya

 

Spellfire40

[Outlawz0111]

If you are dumb enough to fight US fighters fairly .....  it's all about controlling the engagement.

Also IJN is undeniably outperforming US Cvs, so there needs to be balance.

 

Unfortunately its true. The problem is that not many people are playing CV's at the moment, the match maker is filled with cruisers and battleships. IJN CV's did not come up as much in the MM recently maybe people saw they are getting nerfed and ditched them, although that is a random guess as i have already done that. I have sold all my IJN carriers now after hearing about the nerf and will only grind the US ones as i was already quite medicore in the IJN carrier line .

 

 

[Kais_S012]

 

This won't change much , simply because IJN have squadron advantage. By the time one DB makes an attack , two IJN would do that and let's not forget the rearming time.

IJN can zerg a target, US cannot.

 

IJN 8500 Per fish max damage  is  170,000 on a average well aimed strike single squadron. using proposed double squardon tactics thats 340,000 max damage (roughly)

USN 8000 Per fish max damage is 420,000 on a average SINGLE well aimed strike

 

like I said, nerf the USN torps to IJN Dive bomber average or a little stronger and buff the dive omber strikes to mirror the max potential damage of a torpedo strike.

IJN 8500 max damage Torpedoes (high to medium chance of flooding) countered by 4500 max damage Bombs [medium chance of causing fires and secondary damage, low chance of penetraiting and citadel hits)

Usn 4000 max damage Torpedoes (medium to low chances of flooding) countered by 8000 max damage bombs (medium to high chance of pentrating and citadel hits, medium chance of fires and secondary damge)

(500 less max damage per weapon imposed dure to squardon sizes)

[Broevaharo]

The full strike IJN setups on tier 5 to 8 were just too powerful so it's good to nerf them, as much as I like playing CV's, nuking half the other team out of the water without them having a fighting chance becomes boring after a while.

Sure it also has to do with newbies sailing in straight lines but if you see a BB and you send in 3 TB + 2 or 3 DB on him he is out, it's as simple as that.

[RepSrb]

no cv captain is allowed to have score better then 50% regardless of skill...gotcha!

just recently i was in cv running with minekaze behind and cleveland with 1.900hp in front , i sent 2 db squads and 2 tb squads half was destroyed and all rest missed and got destroyed ,my cv was sunk and he got close quarters expert medal and another one... also fighters were returning even if cv was sunk, and he shot down those too.  0 skill needed !!!!!

not to mention games are getting full of 2-3-4 clevelands and pensacolas and rest strong AA ships , there is nothing left to bomb anyway so people were ditching cvs for a while.

yeas cv truly overpowered!

p.s. at least i am happy i grinded to aoba and its allot of fun ,much more then any cv.

[Cages01]

They gonna nerf IJN CV's? Meeh,since my prem expires in few days ill prolly take a break then...

[specialkha]

no cv captain is allowed to have score better then 50% regardless of skill...gotcha!

just recently i was in cv running with minekaze behind and cleveland with 1.900hp in front , i sent 2 db squads and 2 tb squads half was destroyed and all rest missed and got destroyed ,my cv was sunk and he got close quarters expert medal and another one... also fighters were returning even if cv was sunk, and he shot down those too.  0 skill needed !!!!!

not to mention games are getting full of 2-3-4 clevelands and pensacolas and rest strong AA ships , there is nothing left to bomb anyway so people were ditching cvs for a while.

yeas cv truly overpowered!

p.s. at least i am happy i grinded to aoba and its allot of fun ,much more then any cv.

 

Dude, look, you are the perfect exemple.

 

You are crap with all ships, except CVs. Even with IJN DDs that rules T4-5, you are crap. Yet, you score far better score wiuth CVs. And you say that CVs do not need nerf? Lol?

[RepSrb]

that is not correct cv line is my main and i concentrate most on it , the rest i play more for beta test , and are just for lolz rushing ramming etc....

so just got a dd,got behind island or in smoke ,wait for victim to come near , charge full speed ahead 3 torp salvoes and wham wham wham 50k damage and sinking bb ,then rush back to team for tea and medals , rinse /repeat. skill !!!!

[Spellfire40]

 

Dude, look, you are the perfect exemple.

 

You are crap with all ships, except CVs. Even with IJN DDs that rules T4-5, you are crap. Yet, you score far better score wiuth CVs. And you say that CVs do not need nerf? Lol?

 

 The general higher average EXP on CV dont relates directly to the damage of a single strike. Its because a CV usally dont risk his ship and has the opertunity to do high damage over time. The longer the games drags on the higher the chance to do damage. Take a look at my profile:

http://worldofwarships.eu/de/community/accounts/508703984-Spellfire40/#tab=pvp/account-tab-ships-pvp

My best CVs are:

Ryujo With Strike deck at  2129 average Exp

Hiruyu with Balanced Deck:  2066 average Exp

 

 

My best non CV shops are Murmansk and Omaha with around 1800 average exp (not as high games played thogh and of course lower level. but exp wise its not that much worse)

CV performance drops of past level 6 when AA gets better a reason why so many cry for a (undeserved in my opinion) AA nerf. I think AA woks fine but CA/BB lanced Fighter throw off the balance of too much at T6 plus. The rest of the problms are more a MM problem because not enogh high AA ships are playing avarage wise.

 

 

Cya

 

 

Spellfire40

 

 

 

 

[DtXpwnz]

If you are dumb enough to fight US fighters fairly .....  it's all about controlling the engagement.

Also IJN is undeniably outperforming US Cvs, so there needs to be balance.

 

There cannot be a balance when IJN CVs are strike oriented, while USN CVs have fighter deck and balanced deck...

[22cm]

 

I disagree, my buddy makes a fortune playing them. He get's like at least 200k profit average while i get 100-250k or something... and he carries (ha) the games pretty much with his broken damage

 

So, the nerf is deserved.

[Kais_S012]

 

There cannot be a balance when IJN CVs are strike oriented, while USN CVs have fighter deck and balanced deck...

 

but then a IJN fighter deck would be useless without a fighter buff. a lower tier USN fighter squadron will wipe the floor with a higher tier fighter squardon and still have enough to put a dent in a passing TB or DB flight.

 

create a USN strike layout and the presure will shift to the USN and their superior drop arcs

[DtXpwnz]

 

but then a IJN fighter deck would be useless without a fighter buff. a lower tier USN fighter squadron will wipe the floor with a higher tier fighter squardon and still have enough to put a dent in a passing TB or DB flight.

 

create a USN strike layout and the presure will shift to the USN and their superior drop arcs

 

I expect that they will remove 3rd TB from Zuiho, maybe even Ryujo and replace it with 1 fighter. Hiryu could get something like 1/3/2? and same for Shokaku (I would actually like these decks at T7 and T8, it will help with the current "Word of floatplanes")... Also keep in mind that complete fighter rebalance is coming soon ("soon").

[MilkPowder]

Where does it say they will be nerfed? Link pls 

 

[CherryWood]

DtXpwnz, on 25 July 2015 - 06:09 PM, said:

 

I expect that they will remove 3rd TB from Zuiho, maybe even Ryujo and replace it with 1 fighter.

Those setups are already there for both ships. So it would only make sense to replace a TB with DB or make an actual fighter deck with more then one fighter if they want to keep more then one setup option...

 

MilkPowder, on 25 July 2015 - 06:30 PM, said:

Where does it say they will be nerfed? Link pls 

 

Its from Q&A with Devs from russian forum:

http://forum.worldofwarships.ru/index.php?/topic/18569-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC/page__st__220__pid__1026420#entry1026420

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[MilkPowder]

 

Its from Q&A with Devs from russian forum:

http://forum.worldofwarships.ru/index.php?/topic/18569-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC/page__st__220__pid__1026420#entry1026420

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Cheers!