Mister_Greek Supertester 1,046 posts 4,551 battles Report post #1 Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) The flood gates opened and all the know it all "unicums" from WOT with about 400 battles played on average came to offer their "genius" to the ignorant public and such...Yep... Im talking specifically about an article that popped up today comparing WOT Arty with WOWS CV... No offence to the OP of that thread but i disagree with you First of all this is not WOT and its pretty much evident by the sheer idiocy ex-wot players do in WOWS,like side-scraping,peek-a boo tactics that are completely worthless here,not to say laughable. Secondly,to make it perfectly clear,both games are published by the same company so its normal to have some similarities between them,like Cv and Arty (They can take you out from long range,sry Crooq i forgot to add it)) Here are some major mistakes a Wot player will do when discussing about CV's 1) CV's are OP Answer: Low tier Cv's need rebalance.The rest of the CV's are mostly ok but a nerf on dectetability is needed.Besides that the CV philosophy for me is 100% correct. 2) CV's can oneshot anyone Answer: CV can oneshot a failer who is not checking the map,or is sailing in a straight line.T10 CV's though i think they might need a nerf 3) All CV players have excellent stats Answer: Why i see so many times the enemy CV players on the bottom of the score list? And why most of them are absolute crap in the Carrier role and have crap stats? And before the shitstorm hits,i am solely a BB player,both on CBT and OBT.I have more than 1,2k battles in Battleships,OBT and CBT combined.Come on go check my stats,i know you will do. Off all the games i had in WOWS in general,only 10% of the enemy Cv players were decent and only 2% of them were excellent.After so many battles i can tell immediatelly if an enemy Cv player is skilled or not. And most of them are crap...They take the Carrier and think that they will kick [edited]and after a game realise that its not as easy as they thought because there are some players that READ THE MAP! The same notion exist with the BB's.They all go to get the Yamato and realise that its not at easy as they think... Game needs tweaks guys thats for sure.Although i agree partially with the "CV hate" mentality ,especially regarding their low detectability and the "wiggles" the planes can do in front of you,(Plz Wg the CV sneakiness and the plane "wiggles" are TOTALLY ridiculous),few of you know how sheer OP were in their early test implementations If you all newcomers think that CV are easy go get them....That simple...Damn i will laugh my [edited]off Edited July 22, 2015 by Mister_Greek 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DUDS] Crooq_Lionfang Beta Tester 1,999 posts 6,434 battles Report post #2 Posted July 22, 2015 There are some similarities between the games. Ship/Tank classes however are not among them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DDLS] Naskoni Players 674 posts 1,234 battles Report post #3 Posted July 22, 2015 Ah, you mean the poster with 24000 battles in WoT as compared to your 5700? The one that has 2576 wn8 rating compared to your 1361? Compared to what he can do in WoT you are a mediocre noob at best. You might want to play WoT a bit more before you even get what he was on about, mmmkay? Also, just because the majority of people that play CVs are crap doesn't mean that the class is ok - your logic here is pretty much non-existent... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HIRR] Exodude Alpha Tester 417 posts 5,983 battles Report post #4 Posted July 22, 2015 OP in that thread was en Elitist, his thread was expected to pop up eventually :3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister_Greek Supertester 1,046 posts 4,551 battles Report post #5 Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Ah, you mean the poster with 24000 battles in WoT as compared to your 5700? The one that has 2576 wn8 rating compared to your 1361? Compared to what he can do in WoT you are a mediocre noob at best. You might want to play WoT a bit more before you even get what he was on about, mmmkay? Also, just because the majority of people that play CVs are crap doesn't mean that the class is ok - your logic here is pretty much non-existent... You mean the "Wot unicum" who has 506 battles in WOWS and 1187 avg exp and me who has 167 battles and 1545 avg exp,(not to add the other 1.2 k battles in CBT)? We are in the WOWS forum bro,not WOT's.I have no problem with this player, i respect his opinion but i disagree with him... Uhm mate,something is considered OP when even total noobs can own everyone...I dont see Cv players do that... Edited July 22, 2015 by Mister_Greek 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STARS] RUMIRUMI Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 215 posts 15,540 battles Report post #6 Posted July 22, 2015 Ah, you mean the poster with 24000 battles in WoT as compared to your 5700? The one that has 2576 wn8 rating compared to your 1361? Compared to what he can do in WoT you are a mediocre noob at best. You might want to play WoT a bit more before you even get what he was on about, mmmkay? Also, just because the majority of people that play CVs are crap doesn't mean that the class is ok - your logic here is pretty much non-existent... And what exactly have wot statistics to do with wows? Ontopic: great post, couldn't have said it better myself and i hope that a lot of new players will read this topic! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DDLS] Naskoni Players 674 posts 1,234 battles Report post #7 Posted July 22, 2015 And what exactly have wot statistics to do with wows? Ontopic: great post, couldn't have said it better myself and i hope that a lot of new players will read this topic! Maybe one has to have enough knowledge of how WoT works in order to be able to compare to it to WoWS? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STARS] RUMIRUMI Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 215 posts 15,540 battles Report post #8 Posted July 22, 2015 But why, WHY would you compare this game to wot??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DDLS] Naskoni Players 674 posts 1,234 battles Report post #9 Posted July 22, 2015 You mean the "Wot unicum" who has 506 battles in WOWS and 1187 avg exp and me who has 167 battles and 1545 avg exp,(not to add the other 1.2 k battles in CBT)? We are in the WOWS forum bro,not WOT's.I have no problem with this player, i respect his opinion but i disagree with him... Uhm mate,something is considered OP when even total noobs can own everyone...I dont see Cv players do that... Hahaha, you have 167 battles in WoWS which is 3 times less than him and compared to him are but a simple noob in WoT. He also happens to have a better KDR than you... As for comparing average XP? Now, its clear you are pretty clueless about how stats in WG games work, but since average XP is influenced by both premium time and premium ships (and in WoWS even by flags) comparing average XP is as noobish as it gets... But, hey, carry on with your noob crusade - seems your feelings got hurt pretty bad somewhere in the other thread... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister_Greek Supertester 1,046 posts 4,551 battles Report post #10 Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Maybe one has to have enough knowledge of how WoT works in order to be able to compare to it to WoWS? Maybe i was noting the mistakes Wot players do ? But yeah, i forgot Wot players are always right. Enjoy your 783 avg experience,"Wot Wannabe Unicum" Edited July 22, 2015 by Mister_Greek Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HIRR] Exodude Alpha Tester 417 posts 5,983 battles Report post #11 Posted July 22, 2015 Maybe one has to have enough knowledge of how WoT works in order to be able to compare to it to WoWS? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ew_ Beta Tester 349 posts 7,834 battles Report post #12 Posted July 22, 2015 Well, comparing? WoT just got a massive graphics downgrade with 0.9.9 along with crap like Chromatic abberation which utterly ruins any good graphics. WoT is still on its slipper slope down into dying, playerbase has shrunk heavily recently as well hasnt it? WoWS has a future, WoT does not, that is the only comparison you can make between them , 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DDLS] Naskoni Players 674 posts 1,234 battles Report post #13 Posted July 22, 2015 Maybe i was noting the mistakes Wot players do ? But yeah, i forgot Wot players are always right. Enjoy your 783 avg experience,"Wot Wannabe Unicum" Muahahaha, I see that you measure skill by average XP You have no idea what wn8 is, do you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STARS] RUMIRUMI Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 215 posts 15,540 battles Report post #14 Posted July 22, 2015 Muahahaha, I see that you measure skill by average XP You have no idea what wn8 is, do you? You are either a massive troll or someone who can only argue with statistics. Both are grinding my gears. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister_Greek Supertester 1,046 posts 4,551 battles Report post #15 Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) seems your feelings got hurt pretty bad somewhere in the other thread... I actually upvoted a certain part of his answer to a supertester in which he was 100% right. Just because i disagree with his original post doesnt mean that im offended in the slightest,i dont even play CV's Edited July 22, 2015 by Mister_Greek Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Memo1991 Players 67 posts 784 battles Report post #16 Posted July 22, 2015 the title and the content are totally unrelated to each other ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HIRR] Exodude Alpha Tester 417 posts 5,983 battles Report post #17 Posted July 22, 2015 Muahahaha, I see that you measure skill by average XP You have no idea what wn8 is, do you? XD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BOldMan Beta Tester 117 posts 11,090 battles Report post #18 Posted July 22, 2015 MM is failing in same way in both games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DDLS] Naskoni Players 674 posts 1,234 battles Report post #19 Posted July 22, 2015 You are either a massive troll or someone who can only argue with statistics. Both are grinding my gears. Statistics happen be to be cold, hard facts that objectively measure someone's performance. If yours suck (and they sort of do) it's hardly my fault. I guess you prefer to simply post epeen crap in order to decide who is better at what. I prefer math. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STARS] RUMIRUMI Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 215 posts 15,540 battles Report post #20 Posted July 22, 2015 Statistics happen be to be cold, hard facts that objectively measure someone's performance. If yours suck (and they sort of do) it's hardly my fault. I guess you prefer to simply post epeen crap in order to decide who is better at what. I prefer math. Still better than your stats Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DDLS] Naskoni Players 674 posts 1,234 battles Report post #21 Posted July 22, 2015 MM is failing in same way in both games. Well, it's not failing as such. It is working perfectly, precisely as WG intended. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] G01ngToxicCommand0 Beta Tester 2,177 posts 23,318 battles Report post #22 Posted July 22, 2015 Bad players will always be bad but will perform better in OP vehicles and will never be able to fully exploit even OP vehicles to the fullest - lesson here is that as a general rule you can't use bad players as examples for determening if a vehicles is OP or UP as said players' statistics never tell the truth of what those vehicles can do or not do. In order to really determening if a vehicle is unbalanced you have to look at the results the good players generate as they are the ones who can run those vehicles to their very limits. However OP vehicles will on average perform better then balanced or UP vehicles and generally speaking CVs does perform better than every other single class of ships. And yes you can compare WoT to WoWS with regards to core mechanics and the use of gamer psycology by manipulating gambling behaviour into the players by massive use of RNG in both game mechanics and matchmaking that induces a 'next time I can beat the odds/just 1 win so i can go to bed' mentality so that they spend more time and consequently money on their games which is why WG is primarily targeting the very worst and dumbest of players as those are generally the most weakly willed and therefore the ones most susceptible to being manipulated into the gambling mindset. Not that intelligent players are immune to that manipulation which they aren't but they are more likely to leave the game and do something that will provide them with a skill based challenge when fed up with realising that they really don't have much influence on the outcome of the battles no matter how good they are. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DDLS] Naskoni Players 674 posts 1,234 battles Report post #23 Posted July 22, 2015 Still better than your stats Haha, in which game? WoT? In your dreams. In WoWS? Nope, neither there. Better damage per round, better KDR than you. Guess you are just as clueless as your Greek buddy... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister_Greek Supertester 1,046 posts 4,551 battles Report post #24 Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Haha, in which game? WoT? In your dreams. In WoWS? Nope, neither there. Better damage per round, better KDR than you. Guess you are just as clueless as your Greek buddy... And your point is? Edited July 22, 2015 by Mister_Greek Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DDLS] Naskoni Players 674 posts 1,234 battles Report post #25 Posted July 22, 2015 And your point is? ...that his stats are not better than mine, contrary to his delusions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
