Invisible DD? Is it a feature or a bad luck?

[RaptorWildfire]

Why the DD that sunk me wasn't visible to me at all? So close yet so invisible...Is this happening a lot or it is a recent feature or was a server bad joke?

It is frustrating with the game turning into a question of luck, not a player's skill, decision and strategy.

Wargaming, what the hell, man...

 

Here is the video of the replay, I was looking around me with the free camera to look for something wasn't there for me. Forget about the haxxing thing, let's find an explanation pls.

 

[FlutterRage]

IJN DD from T3 onwards have longer torp range than surface detection range. A beta tester plus 219 games after wipe should have known better...

 

Should spent some times going through stats of each ship, it helps.

 

edit: lol that chat in the end.

[deathcaster]

Nope that's how the game works, DD's have a detection circle of about 7km+ (differs with modifiers and the destroyer class itself) and as long you aren't in that circle you cannot see the destroyer. 

 

In later battleships tend to get scout planes which makes detecting destroyers easier though, but it won't be easy and they still are able to counter you (which is what they are designed to do in this game) if you are alone.

 

The best tip I can give you is don't be alone.

[_LeadHead_]

i assume the mutsuki killed you since he was the only dd alive...so u can't spot the mutsuki unless he is closer than 5,9km from you and his torp range is 10km so go figure

 

[Vogel]

Why the DD that sunk me wasn't visible to me at all? So close yet so invisible...Is this happening a lot or it is a recent feature or was a server bad joke?

It is frustrating with the game turning into a question of luck, not a player's skill, decision and strategy.

Wargaming, what the hell, man...

Change direction once in a while when you know there's DDs nearby, and long distance torps will miss in most cases.

[Sub_Eleven]

Not only did you employ Straight Sailing ^TM you also stopped your ship in the middle of nowhere, for no apparant reason, yet you are not sure how you got torped? Perfect showcase of the average point of view from a battleship captain.

[FlutterRage]

When I saw him, slowing and speeding up again, I thought he was doing evasive action against long range torps. Well, seems I was wrong.

 

And what is with the attitude with so many players screaming haxxing the moment they encounter something they do not understand. 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

Why the DD that sunk me wasn't visible to me at all? So close yet so invisible...Is this happening a lot or it is a recent feature or was a server bad joke?

It is frustrating with the game turning into a question of luck, not a player's skill, decision and strategy.

 

The DD driver used his ship's abilities to stay hidden.

He used his SKILL to let you run into his trap.

He decided when and how to attack you.

His strategy worked.

 

What are you whining about? Those torpedoes had NOTHING to do with luck. Well, a bit... The DD driver had the luck to find a perfect target for his eels... You...

[Yorkie_GBR]

 

 

[KrokZombie]

Gotta love the messages in the chat, the OP is a douche. 

[N00b32]

Here is the video of the replay, I was looking around me with the free camera to look for something wasn't there for me. Forget about the haxxing thing, let's find an explanation pls.

 

Either he fired the second torpedo salvo right before the first one hit you, or after you went full speed ahead. The time between full speed and impact is about 20 seconds.

 

If my math is correct, you move 20/3,6*20*5(scale factor) = 555 meters in that time, the torpedos 57*/3,6*20*5 = 1583 meters and the dd 38(+possible boost)/3,6*20*5= 1055 meter. 

 

Together it would be a little over 3 km. Which indeed is not enough even with the speed consumable for DDs and decreased consealement.

 

 

My only conclusion is he has either fired his torpedos before the first torpedo salvo hit (i certainly would not expect a torpedo salvo from the front to sink anything) or my math to be completely wrong. 

 

Probably he fired even before you slowed down the first time, because all you did was stop there for a few seconds. But then again the torpedo spread was (in my opinion) to small for that. However, although I play with a Mutsuki, I`m far from an expert on torpedo spread. I looks indeed like torpedos from a shorter range. I guess there is an error in the calculations. An expert may be able to triangulate the firing position and time from the torpedo spread, I can`t.

 

*could also be the fast variant, but it has only 6 km range.

[RaptorWildfire]

Alright then, cheers for the insights. Am not a pro, I am still learning it every day. Not playing with DDs too much, don't like fast pacing games. 

PS. I was slowing down my ship behind the cover of that island in order to gain more time reloading at safe without being hit by the opponent the moment I was in his range and in mid reload. Many players use this strategy is nothing new and not to fancy either. And to be honest I haven't seen the DD since many minutes on the map, all I was looking for were the TB's and the moment I was sunk they were the first I was thinking of, that's why I wrote what I wrote. Was looking at the map and saw all the TBs fighting elsewhere, but I forgot about the DD and when I saw its possible route on the reply I still didn't knew How did that worked for him that's all. There is no need for bashing and all, be reasonable. And yes I am a beta player, still I don't know much about DDs since I don't play them to much. I will, but not now. Cheers all.

[caldark]

Its a feature.. the Romulans have sold the DDs cloaking devices.. hell even some Battleships have them ;)

 

[Khul]

Well, it's a bit of an improvement,OP: at least this time you haven't called the dude who sunk you a disgrace, like you did the last time you got owned & came running to the forum squeaking "HAXX!!! HAXXX!!11!"

[Thlurp]

simple fact, you did drive a straight line for over 3 minutes, thats a death sentence if a DD becomes attached to you ;)

 

your second error is, you're fighting a BB and you show him your broadside

fighting the BB, slightly sail towards him while reloading (at a line where your guns cant aim on the BB)

5-10 sec before reload is finished turn, so you can fire at the BB.

 

that way you dont sail a straight line and the BB cant always fire at your broadside

 

2 problems, one simple solution

[AgarwaenME]

Well, it's a bit of an improvement,OP: at least this time you haven't called the dude who sunk you a disgrace, like you did the last time you got owned & came running to the forum squeaking "HAXX!!! HAXXX!!11!"

 

He did however call him a "haxxer" in the replay.

 

He's just a sad example of Dunning-Kruger.

[N00b32]

Its a feature.. the Romulans have sold the DDs cloaking devices.. hell even some Battleships have them ;)

 

 

They will nerf DDs one day, the same way they nerfed TDs in WoT, because obviously firing from stelth is OP OP. 

[AuSSiE87]

simple fact, you did drive a straight line for over 3 minutes, thats a death sentence if a DD becomes attached to you ;)

 

your second error is, you're fighting a BB and you show him your broadside

fighting the BB, slightly sail towards him while reloading (at a line where your guns cant aim on the BB)

5-10 sec before reload is finished turn, so you can fire at the BB.

 

that way you dont sail a straight line and the BB cant always fire at your broadside

 

2 problems, one simple solution

 

Sorry, just want to point one thing out. I agree with you on point #1

#2: In the OP's situation.. The first load of torps came from dead ahead, he carried on sailing in that straight line, yes it was a mistake. However, he cannot help showing his broadside if he doesn't know where the DD is. 

[AgarwaenME]

 

Sorry, just want to point one thing out. I agree with you on point #1

#2: In the OP's situation.. The first load of torps came from dead ahead, he carried on sailing in that straight line, yes it was a mistake. However, he cannot help showing his broadside if he doesn't know where the DD is. 

 

Simply changing his heading 20-30 degrees every 20-30 seconds will make it far less of a chance that torps will be comming in at 90 degrees and thus being as hard as possible to avoid. As it is, he only started turning more or less as the first salvo already had hit him, so I don't think even that would help the OP.

[Hirindas]

 

They will nerf DDs one day, the same way they nerfed TDs in WoT, because obviously firing from stelth is OP OP. 

 

Naaaah. IJN DD will have nothing better then USN DD.

Also what about 10km+ range torps?

[Grimdorf]

I'd say the DD was probably right on the limit of you detecting him...with the camo consumable and possibly even the camo captain skill  he would only be detectable around 6km or less as someone pointed out above.

 

What you did wrong......went off solo in a BB when the enemy have DD's alive.

 

I LOVE hunting solo BB's in my destroyer and I ALWAYS head for any I see, they are simply the easiest target to hit, usually oblivious to everything until BOOM.

 

[N00b32]

 

Also what about 10km+ range torps?

 

nerf nerf nerf. The super awseome soviet BBs will rule the waves once more, like all the centuries before. ;)

[___Canaris___]

I think the funniest part of the whole video is him telling someone else to uninstall the game for being a bad BB driver....

 

[Venatacia]

Alright then, cheers for the insights. Am not a pro, I am still learning it every day. Not playing with DDs too much, don't like fast pacing games. 

PS. I was slowing down my ship behind the cover of that island in order to gain more time reloading at safe without being hit by the opponent the moment I was in his range and in mid reload. Many players use this strategy is nothing new and not to fancy either. And to be honest I haven't seen the DD since many minutes on the map, all I was looking for were the TB's and the moment I was sunk they were the first I was thinking of, that's why I wrote what I wrote. Was looking at the map and saw all the TBs fighting elsewhere, but I forgot about the DD and when I saw its possible route on the reply I still didn't knew How did that worked for him that's all. There is no need for bashing and all, be reasonable. And yes I am a beta player, still I don't know much about DDs since I don't play them to much. I will, but not now. Cheers all.

 

You really should play DD to find out how they work. I play DD and do exactly what was done to you, hiding in the shadows. This is not a fast pace game all the time and not even fast pace in a DD because as you found out, they stay in the shadows and take the odd shot every once in awhile - it's actually the opposite of face paced in a DD most of the time. Only fast paced if you chose so and go into the heat of battle - like most do and die. Anyway give all classes a try, it's the only way to learn and make you a better player. May take time but it's worth it.

[Kapten_Kaos]

Definitely bad luck. Destroyers are so bad atm, they can barely stay hidden at all with all the planes flying overhead.