Pls stop the fail divisions

[T3ddyBear]

If other developers can put in mechanisms to stop tier5's bringing tier1's into matches why can't you WG?

 

Yet another game gimped from the beginning simply because some "idiot" thinks it is "cool" to bring tier1's and 2's into a tier 6 match, 3rd game in a row this evening, thanks for making a joke of my game time WG, well done.

 

Harrier.

[ttchip]

[bikes02]

Had  a fail Div in one of my matches yesterday, bringing a T1 into a T5 match....Needless to say we lost! Really dont know why people do this, dont they realise it just messes up our chance of winning 

 

[T3ddyBear]

Not sure what you're trying to say ttchip, that's simple messed up MM.

 

I'm talking about a tier6 Cleveland, divisioning with a tier1 JPN and tier2 JPN DD, deliberately trying to troll games.

 

Why WG allow this to happen is beyond me, maybe they find it funny to wind up paying customers, maybe they think that they are doing so well now that they can ignore problems like this now, well what goes up MUST come down WG, when you're all crying into your vodka glasses wondering what went wrong.....

 

No response from devs, no response from support, they don't care, it's a shame really.

 

Harrier.

[alalos]

you guys are all new ?

 

the only fail divisions there are... if people bring a random tier 5+ ship with a tier 4 or 5 cv...

Just because people dont know the matchmaking table for lower tier CV´s *except late at night which is painfull when people using their tier 8-9 ships in purpose to be the big bad shark*

[Gunship14]

I want to play in my New York so I put my name on the "looking for division" list and I get countless invitations from level 1 people... Needless to say I don't join but why would you want to play with a level 8 if you're level 1? Chances are he has a pretty big ship...

 

@ the above you're asking 3 beta testers if they're new...?

[ttchip]

Not sure what you're trying to say ttchip, that's simple messed up MM.

 

I'm talking about a tier6 Cleveland, divisioning with a tier1 JPN and tier2 JPN DD, deliberately trying to troll games.

 

The point is the same: People divisioning up with ships of different tiers tends to break games.

[T3ddyBear]

alalos, again, not sure what you're on, but from what you are saying it's ok for a tier6 to bring a tier1 in to a match?

 

The MM has many problems we know but when idiot divisions cause it grief before it even starts the process, these people need banning, they are doing it to grief people, but it's been happening for years in WoT and WG have done nothing about it.

 

It was refreshing to see a certain new tank game has stopped that in it's tracks at the very beginning, that team of developers listened and acted.

 

Not the normal MO for WG.

 

Harrier.

[alalos]

alalos, again, not sure what you're on, but from what you are saying it's ok for a tier6 to bring a tier1 in to a match?

 

The MM has many problems we know but when idiot divisions cause it grief before it even starts the process, these people need banning, they are doing it to grief people, but it's been happening for years in WoT and WG have done nothing about it.

 

It was refreshing to see a certain new tank game has stopped that in it's tracks at the very beginning, that team of developers listened and acted.

 

Not the normal MO for WG.

 

Harrier.

 

Tier 1 and 5+ is trolling...... and you just getting upset by it.. when your new... you will have them in your team and in the other team.. okay flame them ? feed the trolls.

 

tier 5 cv and a tier 6 ship is stupid or lack of informations. ( and those tier 5 people tend to cry about the fact that they get "mostly" matched vs tier 7 or tier 8 cv´s.. which is their division fault )

 

[deathcaster]

Maybe they should implement a max tier difference between division members when queuing for randoms? For example if you are in a tier 5 you can only team up with ships in tiers 3 to 7.

[alalos]

Maybe they should implement a max tier difference between division members when queuing for randoms? For example if you are in a tier 5 you can only team up with ships in tiers 3 to 7.

 

nice try.. .... that ever happend in WoT ?

 

[BrusilovX]

 

nice try.. .... that ever happend in WoT ?

 

 

From what I know this (limiting tier spread) was never introduced in WoT.

 

Remember though in that game some scout vehicles automatically get counted as a higher tier for MM purposes.   Still you would expect that some limitations would be easy to add into the game but then it's Wargaming.....

 

[alalos]

 

From what I know this (limiting tier spread) was never introduced in WoT.

 

Remember though in that game some scout vehicles automatically get counted as a higher tier for MM purposes.   Still you would expect that some limitations would be easy to add into the game but then it's Wargaming.....

 

 

thats why i did post it

 

we did beg in the WoT forum to restrict the division/platoons since day 1 of closed beta.

[deathcaster]

 

nice try.. .... that ever happend in WoT ?

 

 

Don't know haven't played WoT more than a few hours in total. But implementing such a thing shouldn't be all that hard, I was (and still am) quite surprised when I saw that it wasn't. 

 

But I can guess the reason why it isn't, guess they would tick off some people if they couldn't play with their (beginner) friends anymore.

[alalos]

read above there is your answer.. i didnt want to flame.. just show you.. they dont care.. and they wont start to care.. it is like it is.. be happy.. here you can do atleast damage to other ships.. in WoT ur just useless and you cant even tank with your hp.. your just a fly who is getting 1 shoted.

[BrusilovX]

 

thats why i did post it

 

we did beg in the WoT forum to restrict the division/platoons since day 1 of closed beta.

 

Yes, - also don't forget that it took more than a few years to get platoon mates damaging each other to actually count as team damage - quite often in WoT a troll platoon would spend most of the battle shooting each other.....

 

I was in the closed beta of WoT also - although I started quite late in the development.(23/10/2010).

 

 

[Sander93]

In World of Tanks they deemed this problem so rare that it wasn't worth it to invest their time in creating a special system to prevent it. WG said it was player responsibility. 

 

Same will probably happen for WoWS. 

[OldGrandad]

In World of Tanks they deemed this problem so rare that it wasn't worth it to invest their time in creating a special system to prevent it. WG said it was player responsibility. 

 

Same will probably happen for WoWS. 

 

Like children left alone with a pile of stones in a glasshouse............... 

[olmedreca]

Yeah, there definitely needs to be feature blocking ridiculous divisions from entering random battles. It shouldn't even be something excessively hard to implement.

[Sander93]

Like children left alone with a pile of stones in a glasshouse............... 

 

I know, I agree. I'm just being realistic here. Don't expect WG to do anything about this. 

[Nodorf_]

It can't be that hard for WG to code into the division system: If player1 ready up with, let's say, tier V, player2 and 3 can only ready up with ships within tier IV-VI as well. Can it?

[Nethraniel]

It can't be that hard for WG to code into the division system: If player1 ready up with, let's say, tier V, player2 and 3 can only ready up with ships within tier IV-VI as well. Can it?

 

It is a shame, that WG's policy is: everyone should be able to play with their friends in division (platoon) even if they do not have fitting tiers of ships (tanks). WG seemingly does not care, if the rest of the team suffers from that, as long as the division is satisfied.

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As in real life, the minority spoil it for the majority

[MacHopper]

"It can't be hard to implement some code that would prevent this"

This is true.

 

But......

"It can't be unrealistic to expect some common sense from players"

This needs to be true as well. Otherwise we're just furthering the "As a person I deny and reject all responsibility to use my brain, experience or common sense. I place the responsibility for my safety, wellbeing and experience in the hands of third-parties and fully intend to sue anyone american-style if they don't do my thinking for me" attitude that has emerged from a certain part of the globe this generation.

Fail platoons are stupid. They do not let people level up quicker than if they played the correct tiers, but I am sure that they most often come about because person A has spent X-amount of time in the game, has already progressed a fair way but only has the 6 basic slots and so cannot keep their low-tier ships. Then person B joins the game, but is new - yet people A and B want to play together and hope to "quickly" get player B up to player A's level by fail platooning. But is this Wargaming's fault? That two people cannot play separately while one catches up with the other? Is it Wargaming's responsibility that the Division leader let everyone ready up, but didn't check what was readied up, or didn't care?

There comes a point with a lot of things - like reading upgrade module descriptions correctly, or learning how the spotting mechanic works - where at some point the player base goes "No. Not this time. This is purely and simply down to you pulling your finger out of your arse and learning how to play the game properly and doing it right". For me, we've reached this point. Otherwise we will one day reach a point where players are not allowed to steer their ships - because of gun-sight fever idiots crashing into everyone around them while they spend 20 minutes zoomed in. One day Torpedoes will become a secondary - because of noobs scared to sail towards the enemy because every time they've YOLO'd towards the enemy gun line they mysteriously got killed with a low score, so now they want to try long-range torpedo sniping from behind friendly ships. In fact, if I think about it...I've even had players shoot me, because for whatever reason, I've ended up between them and the enemy and they are stuck on zoomed in and have lost situational awareness - so perhaps even guns and the zoom should be taken out of players hands......

[olmedreca]

"It can't be unrealistic to expect some common sense from players"

 

This needs to be true as well. Otherwise we're just furthering the "As a person I deny and reject all responsibility to use my brain, experience or common sense. I place the responsibility for my safety, wellbeing and experience in the hands of third-parties and fully intend to sue anyone american-style if they don't do my thinking for me" attitude that has emerged from a certain part of the globe this generation.

 

I think problem is that the way divisions are balanced is not really a "common sense" for people who have no history with previous games from same company. I wouldn't even know about it if I hadn't read about it on the forums, and would be still thinking that it is just MM sucking really hard. It is easy to think that: "surely MM will take into account that my friend is low tier and balance teams accordingly".