Make battleships AI

[DreadArchangel]

I think thats the best thing you can do with them as players do not know how to play them, all they do is hug the edge's and hide behind islands, so best thing is to make them AI's and make players play another type of ship, as BB's lose games, its that simple

[wremise]

WHAT?!?! world of battleships without battleships to play?

[Elgerino]

You're rather silly if you think this game is World of Battleships right now.

[Madagar]

WHAT?!?! world of battleships without battleships to play?

 

World of Warships, not battleships 

[DreadArchangel]

I don't know why, most of them play like bots anyway, so would we really see a difference ???

[Origin47]

It is more like world of flamethrower-ships.

 

[Flavio1997]

I don't know why, most of them play like bots anyway, so would we really see a difference ???

Yes you would: bots are less predictable ( they change course and speed) , they angle the ships and use also ap with deadly accuracy

[DreadArchangel]

their terrible there was another game we lost, because of them sitting on the edge hiding we were 2 ships up, after a right good fight they broke thro the middle and our bb's were hiding on the flanks doing nothing, I'm sorry wg you got to do something about BB's their spoiling the game for those of us who want to win, their just camping  ships and nothing more.

[Mister_Greek]

Then we should make the whole game AI:

 

BBs: Sitting at the edge of the map,and "hiding" behind islands,like the island is gonna cloak a 50 tonne failer

DD:Releasing torps all the time without looking 

CA:---------------------------------- (straight line)

 

Everyone acts like an idiot,so much that its contagious!

 

[DreadArchangel]

Naw sorry hate to disagree with you but you're so wrong, its bb's that lose the games, the cruiser's and dd's try to win it, and just do not know what the carrier's do

[wremise]

its the same as in WOT... first you camp and hold your positon, and you fight rather defence, but they dont understand, the tide of the battle, they dont understand, then its time to push!

they rather stay there they are and hope, thats it can go on like this

[OVanBruce]

Most of then don't realize that BBs are actually hard to play and hard to master.

[Mister_Greek]

Naw sorry hate to disagree with you but you're so wrong, its bb's that lose the games, the cruiser's and dd's try to win it, and just do not know what the carrier's do

 

To tell you the truth,yes, the greatest portion of idiots are in the BB sectionHugging the edge of he map,"sniping" with the most inaccurate guns from 15 km and opening threads about "Torps Op Nyerf"

[Mister_Greek]

Most of then don't realize that BBs are actually hard to play and hard to master.

 

Here,have a +1

[FlutterRage]

Is not the ship. It is the players. It doesn't matter if those players drive something else, they will find a way to be terrible at it, money back guaranteed. Maybe WG should make it clear the BB is not something as easy to drive as a CA/CL with tips in loading screen. Rather than let many rookies driving them with no clue on how most of it works and blame it on BB being underpowered.

 

A bit of a nerf to fire or HE raw damage won't hurt. Been on the giving and receiving end of HE spam fire enough times to know that it is somewhat OP.

 

edit: And I actually enjoy driving my BBs, despite being on fire more often than I prefer.

[Vanhal]

Most of then don't realize that BBs are actually hard to play and hard to master.

 

True, that's the problem. Other one is guys such as the OP. If he is so great that he can rain collective judgement for entire class worth of players, he should also be able to win just by himself, no?

Although there is maybe a pearl of wisdom in that big pile of crap, just remove the BB's from game and stop pretending that it's balanced game, lets make it CV only with some bot AA support and that's that.

[Blue_Bug]

Most of then don't realize that BBs are actually hard to play and hard to master.

 

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. BB's are easy to play but hard to master.

[BabyAdmiral]

There is nothing wrong with battleships. Don't blame the ship class just because many players don't know how to play them right.

 

What you fail to see, OP, is that BBs are what attract players to this game. Just look at the loading screen. BBs in queue outnumber other classes combined with a ratio of 5:1. At least. What I read from that, is that the number of random/casual players choosing to play any other class is significantly lower. Statistically, it is thus pretty self explanatory why people perform badly in battleships. 

 

I'm quite confident that all the players who have no clue about what to do with their battleship would perform equally bad if they decided to take out a cruiser, destroyer or carrier out for a spin.

[Galadul]

I'm sure there are a lot of bad BB players around, but I think partly all these threads come from their size. It's easy to see when a BB fails, you don't notice as much if a DD or CA does something silly.

 

Also, yeah, I think for new players BBs are very counter-intuitive. From T5 and up, everything tells you to stay at max range. From the range of your guns to your laughably horrible secondaries, to the HE and torp death that comes from going too close, it's very easy for people to think they're supposed to be max range. Finding that good middle-ground takes experience. And teamwork. 

Even for those who know how to play BB, it can be difficult. No other class relies so much on their team as a BB. If there are enemy DDs and no friendly DD/CL bothered to scout ahead (because they want to hide behind BBs or rush to some cap or something), that probably means BBs won't push. For a BB, pushing even into open water with no islands is a superbly bad idea if they don't have scouts. Sure, it's possible to avoid torps, but there are good DD drivers out there that anticipate your turn - it's the second volley of torps that get you. The one launched long enough after the other that you can't see them until after you've committed to a turn

 

Amazing things can happen when BBs do push - but they can't do it alone unless they have scouts, or after all enemy DDs are dead. 

Anyway, yeah...I don't know. I see bad BBs and I see bad DDs and CA/CLs. Heck, I even see bad high tier CVs now and then. 

If you want to improve it, sail with them, talk to them in chat and tell them what you want them to do. What doesn't help is nagging on them in chat after you're dead, because the BBs happen to be only ones alive after the rest of the team failed.

[Captain_Strawberry]

I'm sure there are a lot of bad BB players around, but I think partly all these threads come from their size. It's easy to see when a BB fails, you don't notice as much if a DD or CA does something silly.

 

Also, yeah, I think for new players BBs are very counter-intuitive. From T5 and up, everything tells you to stay at max range. From the range of your guns to your laughably horrible secondaries, to the HE and torp death that comes from going too close, it's very easy for people to think they're supposed to be max range. Finding that good middle-ground takes experience. And teamwork. 

 

Even for those who know how to play BB, it can be difficult. No other class relies so much on their team as a BB. If there are enemy DDs and no friendly DD/CL bothered to scout ahead (because they want to hide behind BBs or rush to some cap or something), that probably means BBs won't push. For a BB, pushing even into open water with no islands is a superbly bad idea if they don't have scouts. Sure, it's possible to avoid torps, but there are good DD drivers out there that anticipate your turn - it's the second volley of torps that get you. The one launched long enough after the other that you can't see them until after you've committed to a turn

 

Amazing things can happen when BBs do push - but they can't do it alone unless they have scouts, or after all enemy DDs are dead. 

 

Anyway, yeah...I don't know. I see bad BBs and I see bad DDs and CA/CLs. Heck, I even see bad high tier CVs now and then. 

 

If you want to improve it, sail with them, talk to them in chat and tell them what you want them to do. What doesn't help is nagging on them in chat after you're dead, because the BBs happen to be only ones alive after the rest of the team failed.

 

^This

 

OP The last time I took out my Kongo I killed four and heavily damaged a fifth ship before I went down and I've barely any battles under me cabin boy hat. All in close quarters fighting. You know why? Because I don't like hanging out at the edge of my firing range. But I could only go in there when the cruisers and DDs had poked around the area and took out the enemy destroyers. If you don't get a good team then how is someone who truely knows how to really play BB meant to shine?

 

P.S. Just in case you're dumb I'm not saying I truely know how to play a battleship or any other ship class in this game.

[DreadArchangel]

 

True, that's the problem. Other one is guys such as the OP. If he is so great that he can rain collective judgement for entire class worth of players, he should also be able to win just by himself, no?

Although there is maybe a pearl of wisdom in that big pile of crap, just remove the BB's from game and stop pretending that it's balanced game, lets make it CV only with some bot AA support and that's that.

 

Well in one game today in which our side one,  it was a case of myself and another cleveland taking out 7 of the enemy ships while the bb's did , yes you guessed it  hang around at the back, another game was won by  a cv and a dd, with , and you may have guessed this with the bb's hiding at the back.

[BlueMoon51]

People expect too much most players are still learning the game I have played 15,000 games(give or take)in WOT and still pick things up when I play. If only the "good" players play the game will be dead in a week the only way it can grow is for people to have at least a touch of understanding that it takes time to pick up pretty much anything

[Vanhal]

 

Well in one game today in which our side one,  it was a case of myself and another cleveland taking out 7 of the enemy ships while the bb's did , yes you guessed it  hang around at the back, another game was won by  a cv and a dd, with , and you may have guessed this with the bb's hiding at the back.

 

No unicorns? Boring story it is then.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

People expect too much most players are still learning the game I have played 15,000 games(give or take)in WOT and still pick things up when I play. If only the "good" players play the game will be dead in a week the only way it can grow is for people to have at least a touch of understanding that it takes time to pick up pretty much anything

 

Well, it's not exactly Rocket Science, is it?

 

Usually there's two victory conditions on almost all maps:

 

1. Kill all enemy ships
2. cap the zone(s)

 

None of this can be done when one is idling around in the backfield. So even the dumbest player SHOULD be able to know what is expected from him, right?

Nonetheless there's people islandhugging in the backfield without even a chance to fire at anything...

 

That's just dumb.

[chazwozza]

BBs are just plain crap that simple 

Every other class of ship can take em out 

Big slow lumps of crap made of petrol with inaccurate slow loading .guns and pointless secondarys 

And secondarys that have been upgraded are still bollocks its not hard hard to keep em out of range

Don't give it all the crap you don't know how to play em or don't go in unsupported as its totally random who you get put with and how they play

The only real way of making XP is getting stuck in and doing damage which let's face it BBs [edited]suck at