[_NTF_] gmo_motard Players 4 posts 3,987 battles Report post #1 Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) I think Destroyers and torpedo bombers are right now overpowered when comparing with battleships and Cruisers. Whats the point of having a tier V and up battleship if a tier II Destroyer can sink a Battleship with just 1 salvo of torpedos...? As we know, Battleships are not agile to manoeuvre when it comes the time to avoid torpedos, 30+ sec to reload, slow turn turrets.... This is making Battleships and other units completely useless.... Why make a awesome game with so many units if at some point of game everyone will start using just Destroyers...? Isn't time yet to Wargaming rethink this battle strategy and balance the game units...!? Edited July 14, 2015 by gmo_motard 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmannn Players 11 posts 1,225 battles Report post #2 Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) i have a idea why dont you just play dds they are op so you cant fail right?and than Show us your great results Edited July 14, 2015 by snowmannn 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[E-R-A] snipershot Beta Tester 324 posts 9,404 battles Report post #3 Posted July 14, 2015 Except a bb can sneeze on a dd and oneshot it? And tb's can be anticipated to minimise their attack, with more experience, even totally avoided. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOOD] MassiveDYT Beta Tester 863 posts 4,930 battles Report post #4 Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) I think Destroyers and torpedo bombers are right now overpowered when comparing with battleships and Cruisers. Whats the point of having a tier V and up battleship if a tier II Destroyer can sink a Battleship with just 1 salvo of torpedos...? As we know, Battleships are not agile to manoeuvre when it comes the time to avoid torpedos.... This is making Battleships and other units completely useless.... Why make a awesome game with so many units if at some point of game everyone will start using just Destroyers...? Isn't time yet to Wargaming rethink this battle strategy and balance the game units...!? http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/20947-torpedos-to-op/ http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/18998-player-evolution-vs-devolution/ The problem is not torpedoes, the problem is your inexperience with the game, a good BB captain is sometimes impossible to hit with torps, also the idea is not "getting" or "not getting" hit by torps, the idea is to not get attacked in the first place, there are many tools on the battlefield that can be used to prevent getting sunk: 1. don't sail in straight line 2. periodically slow down and increase your speed for no apparent reason (it may seem stupid, but every single torp user will be cursing you furiously) 3. ask CA's for AA cover, they have a skill that rattles planes making them unable to aim properly 4. enlarge your minimam 4 times the usual size, look at it constantly, if you see a torp bomber 15 km away and coming your way, don't assume its going for someone else, assume hes comming for you and start turning into it 5. if you cant be bothered doing all of the above, dont play BB's With experience you will laugh at torpedoes instead of whining on the forums Edited July 14, 2015 by MassiveD 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[L10NS] playarci Weekend Tester 415 posts 1,566 battles Report post #5 Posted July 14, 2015 Once again the usual story, this time 5 DD battles and 0 in CV's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_NTF_] gmo_motard Players 4 posts 3,987 battles Report post #6 Posted July 14, 2015 what you mean Snowmann...? If i would like the easy way to not fail, yes i would choosed Destroyers... but all my units are Battleships or Cruisers, with only 1 exception of 1 tier I destroyer for daily missions... I'm not saying i have great results or i'm a great player.... i'm just asking for what i think its fair for most of us (players) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOOD] MassiveDYT Beta Tester 863 posts 4,930 battles Report post #7 Posted July 15, 2015 what you mean Snowmann...? If i would like the easy way to not fail, yes i would choosed Destroyers... but all my units are Battleships or Cruisers, with only 1 exception of 1 tier I destroyer for daily missions... I'm not saying i have great results or i'm a great player.... i'm just asking for what i think its fair for most of us (players) For most of us "players" that are alpha and beta testers, this thread has been discussed literally over 9000 times already, and is universally agreed upon. This will probably blow your mind but DD's are considered the most underpowered class in the game right now, and is expecting to receive a major buff. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IamTroublemaker Beta Tester 2,287 posts 11,047 battles Report post #8 Posted July 15, 2015 Yes, that's why there is so many of them in the queue, because they are OP, not UP...The fact that you let a destroyer get close to you is purely your fault, also the fact that you can destroy him in 1 salvo with a BB easily tells me your aim isn't the best And btw, a tier 2 destroyer CANNOT sink a tier 5 battleship in one salvo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_NTF_] gmo_motard Players 4 posts 3,987 battles Report post #9 Posted July 15, 2015 http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/20947-torpedos-to-op/ http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/18998-player-evolution-vs-devolution/ The problem is not torpedoes, the problem is your inexperience with the game, a good BB captain is sometimes impossible to hit with torps, also the idea is not "getting" or "not getting" hit by torps, the idea is to not get attacked in the first place, there are many tools on the battlefield that can be used to prevent getting sunk: 1. don't sail in straight line 2. periodically slow down and increase your speed for no apparent reason (it may seem stupid, but every single torp user will be cursing you furiously) 3. ask CA's for AA cover, they have a skill that rattles planes making them unable to aim properly 4. enlarge your minimam 4 times the usual size, look at it constantly, if you see a torp bomber 15 km away and coming your way, don't assume its going for someone else, assume hes comming for you and start turning into it 5. if you cant be bothered doing all of the above, dont play BB's With experience you will laugh at torpedoes instead of whining on the forums LOL massiveD... i see you are one of those Destroyers expert user.I would love to see your great skills using a Tier V Battleship against 2 Destroyers targeting you at same time.... Show me your great skills and i will believe all those words you said...! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DAVY] Gl0cK_17 Beta Tester 170 posts 12,426 battles Report post #10 Posted July 15, 2015 As we know, Battleships are not agile to manoeuvre when it comes the time to avoid torpedos, See, the problem is that you dont know. you merely make a assumption based on your own skill level. A BB is agile enough to even dodge attacks from as close as even 3km. Now im not saying that it is easy. Its however very possible to achieve for a competent skipper. Be aware, think ahead and react accordingly to treaths to your ship. (Aka check your damned minimap & look around your ship every now and then) If a DD tries to rush you turn around( keep him behind you) and try to shoot him while he tries to get on your broadside. If you have to steer close to islands, have your plane ready. And last but not least, dont sail in a straight line for several minutes. And if you failed to be aware or made a bad call and do get torped, try the emergency turn. (Turn rudder hard + drop throttle from full to half for a second the full throtlle again) Or if you cant handle that yet, play something more forgiving and flexible like a cruiser and leave battleships untill you are better skilled at the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IamTroublemaker Beta Tester 2,287 posts 11,047 battles Report post #11 Posted July 15, 2015 LOL massiveD... i see you are one of those Destroyers expert user.I would love to see your great skills using a Tier V Battleship against 2 Destroyers targeting you at same time.... Show me your great skills and i will believe all those words you said...! The fact that you got into that kind of situation is YOUR fault, NEVER go alone , ALWAYS try to keep destroyers away from you by shooting HE on them and taking more than 70% of their HP at least, NEVER sail in a straight line with a BB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOOD] MassiveDYT Beta Tester 863 posts 4,930 battles Report post #12 Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) LOL massiveD... i see you are one of those Destroyers expert user.I would love to see your great skills using a Tier V Battleship against 2 Destroyers targeting you at same time.... Show me your great skills and i will believe all those words you said...! Sir, unlike you I played every single class in the game, back in beta I had the Yamato, the Gearing, and the Des Moines, currently im advancing most in USN CV's . but I'm planning to get my Montana sometime next month. Instead of complaining, get yourself a DD, and try to sink somebody, see what sort of issues you are having when driving a DD, because believe me there's a metric crap-ton, and then apply the same mindset when you are driving a BB. You will be surprised. Again, in reality DD's are pathetically underpowered right now, especially the USN ones, and are scheduled for a major buffing session, so try to learn to deal with them while they still suck. On the side note, if 2 destroyers would try to swarm me, my mate Elendor whom always divisions with me in his Cleveland while I'm playing BB's, would probably have something to say about it , he gets particularly aggroed when somebody tries to touch me no homo Edited July 15, 2015 by MassiveD 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThatOneDidntGoIn Beta Tester 304 posts 2,142 battles Report post #13 Posted July 15, 2015 LOL massiveD... i see you are one of those Destroyers expert user.I would love to see your great skills using a Tier V Battleship against 2 Destroyers targeting you at same time.... Show me your great skills and i will believe all those words you said...! I'm pretty good with a destroyer. A Battleship can win against two destroyers if the battleship player has a decent amount of skill. Fortunately such players are rarer than rocking horse crap. One average salvo from a battleship will kill a destroyer outright and varying course and speed will easily throw the aim of a destroyer off if they are only using the grey aim assist and not their brains. Also, at lower tiers with US destroyers, they get within your secondary gun range and that can kill them if you get a bit of luck. You also have a repair facility. Use it. It's not an easy job, but you can do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOOD] MassiveDYT Beta Tester 863 posts 4,930 battles Report post #14 Posted July 15, 2015 I'm pretty good with a destroyer. A Battleship can win against two destroyers if the battleship player has a decent amount of skill. Fortunately such players are rarer than rocking horse crap. One average salvo from a battleship will kill a destroyer outright and varying course and speed will easily throw the aim of a destroyer off if they are only using the grey aim assist and not their brains. Also, at lower tiers with US destroyers, they get within your secondary gun range and that can kill them if you get a bit of luck. You also have a repair facility. Use it. It's not an easy job, but you can do it. Just to add to this, it helps to not go into dark unspotted places you have the range, let cruisers go in front of you to whack the pesky DD's, support them from the back if you have to, while your learning curve is increasing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sub_Eleven Players 1,225 posts Report post #15 Posted July 15, 2015 . A Battleship can win against two destroyers if the battleship player has a decent amount of skill. Don't give em false hope. Anyway, all jump in the carrousel, were up fo another round! Need more funny pics! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOOD] MassiveDYT Beta Tester 863 posts 4,930 battles Report post #16 Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) Don't give em false hope. Anyway, all jump in the carrousel, were up fo another round! Need more funny pics! You.... What are you Edited July 15, 2015 by MassiveD 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MAC_II Players 3 posts Report post #17 Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) Don't give em false hope. Anyway, all jump in the carrousel, were up fo another round! Need more funny pics! LooooooL..... this is far the best answer to some "Great WoB DDs captains".... High 5... Edited July 15, 2015 by MAC_II Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HF_30] Abraa Beta Tester 388 posts 9,607 battles Report post #18 Posted July 15, 2015 I think Destroyers and torpedo bombers are right now overpowered when comparing with battleships and Cruisers. Whats the point of having a tier V and up battleship if a tier II Destroyer can sink a Battleship with just 1 salvo of torpedos...? As we know, Battleships are not agile to manoeuvre when it comes the time to avoid torpedos, 30+ sec to reload, slow turn turrets.... This is making Battleships and other units completely useless.... Why make a awesome game with so many units if at some point of game everyone will start using just Destroyers...? Isn't time yet to Wargaming rethink this battle strategy and balance the game units...!? You're incompetent to even recognize Torps even tho you have north of 8 secs to evade them. Learn to play, its as simple as that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bortasqu Beta Tester 939 posts 14,845 battles Report post #19 Posted July 15, 2015 http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/20947-torpedos-to-op/ http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/18998-player-evolution-vs-devolution/ The problem is not torpedoes, the problem is your inexperience with the game, a good BB captain is sometimes impossible to hit with torps, also the idea is not "getting" or "not getting" hit by torps, the idea is to not get attacked in the first place, there are many tools on the battlefield that can be used to prevent getting sunk: 1. don't sail in straight line 2. periodically slow down and increase your speed for no apparent reason (it may seem stupid, but every single torp user will be cursing you furiously) 3. ask CA's for AA cover, they have a skill that rattles planes making them unable to aim properly 4. enlarge your minimam 4 times the usual size, look at it constantly, if you see a torp bomber 15 km away and coming your way, don't assume its going for someone else, assume hes comming for you and start turning into it 5. if you cant be bothered doing all of the above, dont play BB's With experience you will laugh at torpedoes instead of whining on the forums 1. You will still eat a few torpedoes that are launched close together. Torpedoes right now just deals stupidly amounts of damage. ONE tier 5 DD torpedo is 11k, some gud balancing thar. 2: Actually a good tip. Surprisingly annoying for DDs. 3: Good luck with that, I've only managed to convince 1 CA to escort me and he got focused by the enemy CV before me. 4: They will just go around or launch from two different spots. 5: Buff BBs slightly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magni56 Beta Tester 386 posts 1,155 battles Report post #20 Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) LOL massiveD... i see you are one of those Destroyers expert user.I would love to see your great skills using a Tier V Battleship against 2 Destroyers targeting you at same time.... Show me your great skills and i will believe all those words you said...! I can do you one better. I had a dance with two DDs in my T6 Fuso (which is actually WORSE off than the T5 Kongo in that situation due to being longer and more sluggish) today. It ended in two dead DDs and no torpedo hits, though a few of those fish went by close enough to scrape the paint off my bulges and I was pumped out from that whole episode and how close it all was. Had I been in the Kongo, it would have been easy going - that girl handles more like an overweight cruiser and with a bit of pratice, you can make her dance in ways that you'd never expect from 35k tons of steel. Destroyers loathe a well-handled Kongo. 1. You will still eat a few torpedoes that are launched close together. Torpedoes right now just deals stupidly amounts of damage. ONE tier 5 DD torpedo is 11k, some gud balancing thar. 2: Actually a good tip. Surprisingly annoying for DDs. 3: Good luck with that, I've only managed to convince 1 CA to escort me and he got focused by the enemy CV before me. 4: They will just go around or launch from two different spots. 5: Buff BBs slightly. 1. Torpedos do not always sore their maximum damage. Bulges and thick hulls especially on BBs tend to lessen the actual damage done. 3. Stay with the cruisers. Promsie them that you'll be right up there helping them push instead of camping the backfield. That's pretty likely to get you your AA escort right there because crusier-drivers really like having a battleship that's fighting right alongside them isntead of wanting to use them as a meatshield from behind which to sling long-range shots. 4. Then turn more - this means more time for your AA to shoot things. Also, try to fake out and only turn at half rudder, then hit full rudder and depending on the drop the brakes to throw his aim off as he commits. 5. Not really. They're already very powerful if played well. Edited July 15, 2015 by Magni56 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HF_30] Abraa Beta Tester 388 posts 9,607 battles Report post #21 Posted July 15, 2015 1. You will still eat a few torpedoes that are launched close together. Torpedoes right now just deals stupidly amounts of damage. ONE tier 5 DD torpedo is 11k, some gud balancing thar. 2: Actually a good tip. Surprisingly annoying for DDs. 3: Good luck with that, I've only managed to convince 1 CA to escort me and he got focused by the enemy CV before me. 4: They will just go around or launch from two different spots. 5: Buff BBs slightly. Show me the evidence for that, you have the gremly- post a screenshot in which your T5 torps did 11k avrage damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[3X] strangers123 Alpha Tester, Master Pirate 641 posts 10,547 battles Report post #22 Posted July 15, 2015 Confirmation bias...confirmed? Eurgh so bad... So lets compare some numbers! The highest "alpha strike" of a tier 2 destroyer is 48264 damage, thats 8 torpedoes (both sides) of a Sampson. This, however, does not count damage negation from anti torpedo bulges. The lowest health of a tier 5 battleship is 42600 (stock New York) Yes you can theoretically one-salvo (would be more correct to say two salvo...) a tier 5 battleship with a tier 2 destroyer, it would be in favourable conditions only Also their range is 4.5km and they travel at 54 ingame knots (scaled) How to avoid getting torpedoed by a US destroyer at low tiers : Sail away from it. Past tier 7 apply the same rule as to IJN destroyers. How to avoid getting torpedoed by an IJN destroyer at any tier: Avoid going in a straight line for too long If you suspect a DD is trying to torp you, be unpredictable So what is predictable? (listed in increasing difficulty to track) The most obvious: Straight line, same speed. Should be self explanatory Slowing down on an island corner is predictable. Skilled players will expect you to do it. Same applies to turning in towards them. Wait why would one want to go around the corner a destroyer is camping anyways?! Approaching narrow channels, corners and islands. Most players will pass along the curves of the islands, and will maintain full steam ahead doing it Turning in a way where you can maintain the maximum firepower. If youre guns are all pointing starboard its logical you would turn the ship to port to keep the guns all pointing in the same direction. Dependant on situation and position. How avoid torpedoes that are incoming It is almost always better to turn TOWARDS them, as it often does not put your ship in a bad position for incoming enemy fire. Turning AWAY is recommended only if they are already approving from abaft of your ship (from behind) How to avoid being the prime target 1) don't be predictable 2) Stay with teammates. The more teammates, the more potential targets. Someone might seem easier to hit than you 3) Avoid obvious torpedo spots, such as the middle gorge of Two Brothers, torpedo alley on Fault line and the open west side of North. 4) Situational Awareness: Both the captain skill and the player skill. The captain skill tells you youre spotted, and if you don't see anything yourself its probably something smaller. The player skill...now thats not something to explain here 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sub_Eleven Players 1,225 posts Report post #23 Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) You.... What are you It's an acrobat / actor from the Netherlands, famous for childrens series in the 70's and 80's mostly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bassie_%26_Adriaan Edit: the ussual typo's -.- Edited July 15, 2015 by Sub_Eleven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #24 Posted July 15, 2015 I should have come to the forum after OBT. Then all these threads would be new to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flavio1997 ∞ Alpha Tester 1,006 posts 11,990 battles Report post #25 Posted July 15, 2015 It's not that torpedoes are op, is your brain ( and the one of everyone complaining that creates the n-milions same post) is up. Unluckily i Didn't enabled the reaplays yesterday, where with the New york, a fat and slow as [edited]bbs i managed to avoid the attacks of 2 tier 7 full strike lodout cvs taking just 1 toprs ( yes they where manual dropping ) and still managed to sink 4 enemy targhet ( i was bottom tier) and deal 112k of damage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
